Tiu Radio 4th Sept 2011 guests Joe and Matroc

[Ognir]

TiU Radio
http://www.TheInfoUnderground.com

(for internal release)

Several parts
1st part with you and his russian buddy in NY about WE ARE CHANGE

Interview with Prothink Mike Delenay about the ADL shit-piece on him and Ry Dawson

Finished up with Joe and buddy

Not exactly what I wanted to cover at all
but c'est la vie

Audio:

http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... Matroc.mp3

Video:

http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... erview.avi

[scorpio]

The show ended at 20 minutes in the middle of a sentence.
Maybe there was a problem with the upload?

[Ognir]

Talking abt we are fags or what ever you call them is retarded, like talking abt jonestein

[joeblow]

Video of Prothink added.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Great show guys! Thanks for covering these topics... sadly, looks like things Globally are getting turned up a notch. Nice to hear Mike Delaney on the show and discussion of MSMD's great work.

There should be a wreck coming during the next few weeks Economically -- like a 300 year wreck. EU and BoA are up in the air... concerning the "J-Tribe" - Scams and  "Bailouts" wise that all draws back to Global Banking Talmud-ism --aka "Globalism".  Bank of J'  (Talmudic America)    

Related... Gaddaffi, though a tyrant, was essentially free of Jew scams with 0% interest on loans in Libya. Keep it rolling...

[rmstock]

WE ARE CHANGE, Luke Rudkowski, Charlie Veitch (aka Damien Rockefeller) , RT.RU ,
 Adam Kokesh  and Bruno Ernst Bruhwiler, WAC's Los Angeles leader, are all into the same game :



Where are they getting their money for this? the SPLC did some preliminary investigations :

Charges Against We Are Change Leader Belie Group's Pacifist Image
Posted in Antigovernment, patriot
by Heidi Beirich on September 1, 2010
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/09/0 ... ist-image/

We Are Change (WAC) is an organization that likes to quote Martin
Luther King Jr., Einstein, Gandhi and others talking about the
evils of war. It describes itself as a nonviolent "citizens based
grassroots peace and social justice movement" and reacted angrily
this year when the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) described it
as part of the antigovernment "Patriot" movement, which is
obsessed with alleged government conspiracies. Its leader, Luke
Rudkowski, complained at the time that the SPLC said nothing of
WAC's alleged "raising money for 9/11 first responders, toy
drives during the holidays, clothing drives and feeding the
homeless."

But WAC's Los Angeles chieftain, at least, may not be quite the
pacifistic type that Rudkowski likes to showcase. This past May,
Bruno Ernst Bruhwiler was charged with four criminal counts related
to making threats, according to the Los Angeles Superior Court's
website. Three of the counts were for making threats (Rudkowski
says that Bruhwiler was charged with making "terroristic"
threats), including against an "executive officer" (apparently
a law enforcement or court official) carrying out his duties. The
fourth count is for "willful disobedience" of a court order.

Bruhwiler's website says that the charges stem from an incident
when he was attending a civil case involving a WAC-LA member.
"The Judge literally did not like Bruno's involuntary facial
expressions, and ordered him out of the courtroom," reads the
website posting. Hatewatch's repeated E-mail and phone requests
for comment from Bruhwiler were not answered. WAC also declined to
respond to Hatewatch's repeated requests for comment on
Bruhwiler's activities.

But on its website, WAC-LA has described the charges as baseless.
"The truth is that any one of us could easily face what Bruno is
facing because it's all about the rulers keeping the masses and
our uppity attitudes about our 'Rights' in check," the group
wrote in a July 20 post asking for defense fund donations.
"'How dare you make a face in my court room!!! How dare you ask
for my identification, SLAVE!!!!'"

That's not all. Bruhwiler, it turns out, is part of the
extreme-right "sovereign citizens" movement — people who
believe that the government has no authority to impose laws and
regulations on most Americans. He has engaged in some of the
practices preached by "redemption" scammers, most of whom are
seeking to wrest millions of dollars from the government for their
personal use. He has allegedly harassed former co-workers with
"sovereign" letters demanding money. And he is a member of the
Oath Keepers, a conspiracy-oriented Patriot group. All in all, it
seems clear that Bruhwiler, despite Ludkowski's claims of running
a relatively moderate group, is part and parcel of the most radical
wing of the Patriot movement.

Two workers at a California marketing company where Bruhwiler was
laid off three years ago told Hatewatch that the WAC-LA leader was
so enraged that he wrote a series of threatening letters to the
company demanding massive sums of money. They said Bruhwiler, who
had worked in a graphic design section that the firm decided to
outsource, claimed that he had been subjected to wrongful
termination, conspiracy and abuse of power. The letters were
brimming with the virtually incomprehensible legalistic
gobbledygook that is typical of such sovereign-citizen filings.
Starting this spring, some of them were directed at the two
workers, who had nothing to do with Bruhwiler's termination (the
workers asked not to be named for fear of retaliation from
Bruhwiler). In one letter, Bruhwiler claims he was libeled and
discriminated against by the recipient. His major beef seems to be
that the firm supposedly took away his "God given freedom of
speech when speaking out about the treasonous acts of 9-11 against
the people of the United States" and the "treasonous cover up
by the mainstream media." Bruhwiler also complains of having been
slandered with respect to his professional skills "by imputing to
me general disqualification." The letter demands payment of
$100,000 within 21 days, with an additional $1 million per month
for every month payment is not received. And it orders the
recipient to surrender to the "authorities for criminal
prosecution." Next to Bruhwiler's signature is a fingerprint in
red ink, which in the redemptionist world symbolizes the blood of a
sovereign citizen. It also says that the person signing the letter
is a "Natural Man Divine creation, and a Private, Sentient
Sovereign."

Needless to say, the recipients were terrified. "These guys need
to be watched," said one woman who only worked with Bruhwiler for
a few months but has nevertheless received two letters from him
demanding $1 million. "This is crazy and it is scary."

Bruhwiler also appears to be a participant in so-called redemption
practices, which are rife in the world of sovereign citizens.
Proponents of this bizarre ideology argue that when the U.S. quit
the gold standard in 1933, it pledged its citizens as collateral so
it could borrow money based on their future earnings. Then, the
theory goes, the government funded a secret "Treasury Direct
Account" for each individual that it stocks with millions of
dollars. Redemptionists have come up with a series of bizarre
maneuvers that are meant to liberate this money from the government
and have it paid to them personally. For most redemptionists, this
involves, among many other incomprehensible steps, filing a
"Uniform Commercial Code-1" document.

In February, Bruhwiler filed just such a form with California
Secretary of State. His UCC-1 filing says that his "one hundred
billion United States silver dollars" have now been transferred
to "Bruno Ernst Bruhwiler, a living man, secured party."

Bruhwiler is also a member of another antigovernment group, the
Oath Keepers, which is made up of law enforcement officers,
military personnel and veterans. The group, which like WAC is part
of the Patriot movement, vows to resist government efforts to
"disarm the American people" or impose martial law or turn
cities into "giant concentration camps" — all core Patriot
conspiracy theories. (Several Oath Keepers have lately been
implicated in criminal violence, including a Georgia member accused
in May of plotting to take over a Tennessee courthouse and place
two dozen officials under "citizen's arrest." Also, in
Cleveland, Ohio, a member is awaiting trial on 54 criminal counts
related to his alleged storing of a live napalm bomb at home, as
well as keeping explosives at a friend's home.)

In addition, Bruhwiler regularly makes pleas for support on popular
antigovernment media sites, most notably that of leading movement
conspiracy-monger Alex Jones' Internet radio show. On June 17,
Jones interviewed Bruhwiler in a segment that bashed law
enforcement. "A lot of these cops don't see us as human,"
Jones said of the threat case against Bruhwiler. "They enjoy
throwing milk cows in prison. We are seen as slaves, and when a
slave gets uppity, they got to be put in their place." Jones went
on to describe the officials in question as "out of control,"
"ruthless" and "tyrannical." Jones asked Bruhwiler to share
his E-mail address with Jones' on-air listeners to solicit funds.
(Ironically, Bruhwiler had earlier devised a WAC-LA outreach
program called "Talk to a Cop Wednesdays." It was meant to
"befriend and educate law enforcement.")

Earlier this year, WAC leader Rudkowski told the SPLC that he
started the group to showcase "patriot journalists." (Today,
the group is by far the largest Patriot group in the country, with
102 chapters in 33 states.) WAC's original obsession was with
9/11 conspiracy theories — still the group's bread and butter
— that originated both on the political right and the political  
left. (WAC says it rejects the "fear-based politics and state
mandated propaganda being disseminated by the Corporate Media which
has facilitated the cover-up of 9-11.") But over time, WAC has
taken up several additional conspiracies specific to the radical
right. Today, the group's website frets about a looming "one
world order" and says it seeks "to uncover the truth behind the
private banking cartel of the military industrial complex" that
wants to "eliminate national sovereignty." Rudkowski now seems
particularly worried about the alleged role in the supposedly
imminent "New World Order" of organizations such as the
Bilderberger group and the Trilateral Commission. These
institutions have been targeted for decades as major global
evildoers by Patriot groups and other far-right organizations,
including several that are racist and virulently anti-Semitic.

The roster for WAC's upcoming Sept. 9-12 9/11 conference in New
York City reflects its continuing ability to attract A-list
conspiracy theorists, while still bridging right and left. Speakers
at the event are to include Bob Schulz, head of We The People, the
second largest Patriot group in the U.S. Schulz specializes in
far-right conspiracies about the Federal Reserve and the income
tax. Gary Franchi, the purveyor of the film "Camp FEMA: American
Lockdown" that alleges the government agency is planning to round
up Americans into concentration camps run by the agency, will be on
hand. So, too, will Paul Craig Roberts, a right-wing columnist who
writes for the racist VDARE.com website (named after the first
English child born in America).

At the same time, the conference will hear from former U.S. Rep.
Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.), a woman once seen as being on the
political left who has lately flirted with Holocaust deniers and
anti-Semites. Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan also will be
featured, as will Danny Schechter, a human rights activist and
television producer. So will a number of Democratic politicians,
including former Alaska senator Mike Gravel and Don Siegelman, the
former governor of Alabama who is free while appealing a prison
sentence for corruption.

This was written in 2010. So whats up with WAC's upcoming
Sept. 9-12 9/11 20111 conference in New York City ?

[maz]

Interesting thing about the ADL and SPLC is that they repeatedly tell gentiles that it is not politically incorrect to espouse Jewish conspiracy theories yet they go out of their way to try and convince us of white conspiracy theories.

[Michael K.]

I listened with interest to the discussion regarding "We Are Change," and particularly the rather obvious string of clues that these 'change agents' have their Own interests to heart.  In particular, the LA chief Bruhweiler using the angle he played in court in order to fatten his wallet.

I have read and understand the core argument of the Redemptionists, and as it is well proven that they have a valid case.  But I have noticed a proliferation of con artist and suspected enemy agents in the movement over the last decade.  In particular is the attempt to turn the lawful, historical argument for what amounts to individual economic freedom through honest currency, into a ploy to swindle money or at least appear to.  It does seem to be to the discredit of the legitimate political agitation for honest dollars which I have a played a small part in.

Also I enjoyed meeting Matroc who made me, I must say, feel a little sentimental for Brooklyn and a few of the decent people there.  Haven't been there since I was a kid.  Here's to the real New York, the people.