Charles Giuliani: A Nihilist Saboteur of the Truth Movement?

[Ognir]

When do we get part 2?

[ada]

Stop bashing Timmy please.It is senseless and destructive to assault fellows from our community.
If people do not understand that denying or ignoring Jesus Christ who is God and adopting atheism and
nihilism instead are most likely deceived by those who started their revolution and rebellion on the food of the cross.
You think that God has betrayed us in his supposed absence? How do you know? What if this ship called earth is a test
for allegiance and fidelity to your creator who gave each one of us life, consciousness and salvation in believing and trusting in HIM.
You thinks this absurd and enlightenment and science has proven that their is no divine being above mankind?

[Anonymous]

ada, timmy is the one who has been throwing stones.

[Rockclimber]

Tim,

Why here? This isn't a religious forum. Hey by the way was that you that was harrassing Giuliani over at Oracle the other day on Chatango? There really is a simple solution to this and you know it and he has asked people like yourself to CALL INTO HIS SHOW. He has asked you guys REPEATEDLY. I don't know if anyone has said it but he is NOT an atheist. He is agnositic and believes that the god of the Bible is a schizophrenic and that Jesus is a supremacist (Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel and John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.)

And he doesn't spend all of his time bashing Christians, anyone who listens to his show good and damn well knows it. He just doesn't want to worship the jew God but if anyone deserves to be bashed it's the crazy lunatic Christian Zionists.

I have watched too many religious debates over there years and 99% of the time there are no winners.

So Tim c'mon man, man up and call into his show and have a debate. I will even arrange it if you would like. Heck YOU could arrange it. If you are a man of your god then you have a responsibility to defend him do you not? Heck I challenge you to call also Christopher Marlowe and Tim defenders. Call his show. I will work real hard to arrange this if you would like Tim...

Sincerely,

Scott, (the man you have lost all respect for :lol: )

[Rockclimber]

Taunting people in order to get them to do what I desire them to do is just imposing my will onto someone else.

Isn't that more or less what Timothy is doing?

LOL, yep

[Rockclimber]

Wait what? I agree with; 'so what if he is an atheist?' ....but 'militant'?!?? If he's a 'militant' anything , no matter who "he" is in this example ...well. ..it's usually not good.

It seems to me that all it takes to be descrbed as a "militant" atheist is one who is vocal about making their position known, as opposed to being content with staying quiet.

Sorry but being a militant anything while trying to represent 'Jew-wise' people is not going to help.

Militant: Combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause

Sometimes we need to be combative and/or aggressive in getting the message across. I see nothing wrong with that.

Me neither, as long as our collective target is the Jew and their agenda, not each other! And that is exactly my point; the divide it causes.  And, by the very definition you provided; being 'militant' takes more than just expressing one's position, you answered that for yourself.  Being militant to each other, within our movement, helps the Jews, you still don't see anything wrong with that??? We need to come together, faithful and secular 'Jew wise' people, if we don't than we will fail. Giuliani should know this. So being militant within our ranks cannot help us. Mind you I don't particularly see him as 'militant' (that was your description), but i do think he spends too much time focusing on Christians, rather than Jews.I mean, if you want Christian bashing, just watch TV, or visit popular social web sites, etc. etc ad infinity.

 Myself, all I want to hear is some more good old fashioned, and warranted, Jew bashing!

Seemed to me like everything was just fine until the religious (faith) debates started. Otherwise there was a common cause.

[Rockclimber]

I sent an email to Giuliani as I just received a PM from a gentlemen from our forum who would like to debate him.

Tim, are you up for this challenge or not?

I will wait to hear back from Charlie and will let you know his response just as soon as I receive it.

[VikingSails]

Giuliani should be under Great Personalities We Should Know About. Labeling him as a "Zionist Personality" is just plain ignorant.

[pas]

Oh boy.Here we go again.

Timothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

...As promised.

Do you mean the promise that you would ''expose'' Charles Giuliani?I've read the article and i'm still waiting for evidence.And I don't mean biblical, I mean evidence to back assertions like the following up:

by Zionist Sniper » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:15 am

    Anyone know how old Guliani is and what he does for a living? He doesn't appear to work.

    ZS



Yeah, works for a company called La Mossada, based in Tel Aviv, I believe. Not sure of age.

Timothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Giuliani's ad hominem response: http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth ... 19_16k.mp3

You kind of started with the ad hominem attacks by calling Giuliani a shill, nihilist marxist and calling him jewliani which is in the following great thread:

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=15147&start=0&hilit=jewliani

So please don't act if it was you, who was attacked first.That's beneath you Tim.

VikingSails wrote:

Giuliani should be under Great Personalities We Should Know About. Labeling him as a  is just plain ignorant.

I fully agree and maybe go a bit further in calling it ''ignorant'' labeling him as a "Zionist Personality", I find it deceitful too since no evidence whatsoever is brought to the table.

[Rockclimber]

Ok so I gave our forum member the necessary information such as:

Call In Lines: 1-866-841-1065

Charles show hours are:

7:00 AM - 9:00 AM CST - Truth Hertz w/ Charles Giuliani

His email address is: mailto:truthhertzradio@aol.com">truthhertzradio@aol.com

Charlie replied, I asked him if he was up for a debate against a Christian and if he would be willing to set some time aside for it. As always Charlie said he would be more than happy to, so...lets do this.

So with all that said I'm hoping our forum member will arrange something with Charles and soon.  

G'luck!

[Michael K.]

I have confirmed Tuesday the 27th of March with Charles Giuliani and I will debate with him then, barring unforeseen circumstances.

[VikingSails]

Hmm...... Interesting. I just heard about this on Giuliani's show. I'm sure we were all hoping for http://youtu.be/FZy24xVPe_0. But this should be interesting. Gotta give some respect to Michael K. for having the balls to step up.

[Christopher Marlowe]

I read RC's challenge last night, and that someone had already taken it up.  Now I see it is Michael.  God Bless you Michael.

[maz]

I have confirmed Tuesday the 27th of March with Charles Giuliani and I will debate with him then, barring unforeseen circumstances.

Cool, looking forward to it and good luck. I don't necessarily disagree with Charles Giulinai, but I hope he is fair and reigns in his emotions and that he allows you to talk.

[Shiksa Rage]

Good luck Michael. I suggest you listen to a few of his shows before you guest on his show. Don't let him shout you down.

[LordLindsey]

Man, I have tried to tell you guys that this man is the real-deal, and you will simply have your ass-handed-to-you, regardless of who goes on his show.  I have never heard anyone speak on religious issues like Charles does, and while I can respect those who have high religious beliefs, do not say that I didn't tell you that what Charles Giuliani is going to be-able to refute on his show will be epic.

There is simply no way to defend the in-defensible, but I can not wait to hear it tried.

LINDSEY

[sullivan]

There is simply no way to defend the in-defensible, but I can not wait to hear it tried.

It's going to take a heck of a lot more than has been presented here by way of evidence to be even remotely convincing.

[Ognir]

Make sure we get the audio as soon as it is out
Best of luck to Michel K, break a leg
and please remember TiU is NOT a religious forum

[Christopher Marlowe]

I believe the point being debated is whether Christianity serves the Jews. Giuliani is supposed to prove that the purpose of Jesus Christ is to aid in making everyone slaves of the Jews?  Good luck with that.  That is like trying to prove that sunlight is good for mold.  

How is Giuliani going to deal with the Inquisition and the 109 countries that kicked the Jews out?

[LordLindsey]

Three points:

1.  Charles has never said that there were not very good points about Christianity; his problem is a much bigger issue about the roots of it, and honestly-to-God, he has even made "ME" re-think my position.

2.  It is not funny at all that TalmudTimmy has said NOTHING since all of this started "getting-real" and it takes a REAL-MAN like Michael to take-on someone as knowledgeable as Charles Giuliani--even if I believed as they--and you, Christopher--I fucking know better than to take-on someone like Charley; he is just the best out there.

3.  I need to be honest and say that I do not think that this is going to be an even-match.  Michael seems like a good guy, and in fact, I can say is a good guy who is simply going to be out-of-his-league when dealing with this walking-encylopedia named Charles Giuliani.  I have listened to most of his shows over the past couple of months, and while he is not "ALWAYS" right, he is sure-as-shit much, MUCH more right than wrong in any way, shape, or form.  Michael, PLEASE go to www.oraclebroadcasting.com and go to his archives and listen to some of his religious shows, especially those about Esther/Purim.  This man is the real-deal, and like I have been trying to tell all of you for a while now, we can dis-agree with Charles on religious matters, but we need as many allies with us as possible because the human-race is facing a threat from psychopaths who believe that by destroying THIS world, that they can re-create it in THEIR image known as the "jewish-Utopia."  This is the most important thing to remember.

Finally, I will immediately edit and improve the audio, and Noel will have it availabe almost immediately after it is finished-airing.

LINDSEY

[Christopher Marlowe]

I think that if there is going to be a debate, then the question that is being debated needs to be very clearly stated at the outset. There is no point in people arguing if they do not know what they are arguing about. I already stated what I believed Giuliani's false idea to be.  

I believe the point being debated is whether Christianity serves the Jews. Giuliani is supposed to prove that the purpose of Jesus Christ is to aid in making everyone slaves of the Jews? Good luck with that. That is like trying to prove that sunlight is good for mold.

As for being allies with people, I tried to listen to Giuliani's show, but I cannot bear to listen to the way he ignorantly spouts off about the Bible and Jesus. I can't be allies with someone who hates Jesus because I love Jesus. Jesus has done so much for me, and it hurts me to hear someone talk so rudely about Him.

Although I believe that you think Giuliani knows a lot, people who know scripture can see through this stuff.  I used to read Nietzsche in college, and he read the scriptures in the original languages so I thought he knew what he was talking about.  Now I know Nietzsche to be a fool.  

I can listen to Muslim scholars much more easily because they never blaspheme Jesus Christ.  I don't think they understand Christ, but at least they aren't rude and foolish about their ignorance.  

As far as I am concerned, the spiritual battle is much more important than political or economic battles.  Those are just outward signs of degenerate behavior.  Our decline in society is because we have abandoned God.  Any real change must begin with the rebirth of our spirit.  God is asking us to turn back to him, and He will help us come back.  People like Giuliani are poison because they lie about scripture, and they stop people from going to the Light that is Jesus Christ.    

God is in charge of everything.  God can end this battle in an instant.  There is no question about who is going to win and who is going to lose. It is all written. Anyone who is against Jesus is going to lose in the end. In the end, every knee must bow to Jesus Christ.

[pas]

I always was of the opinion that non-religious Gentiles could effectively cooperate with Christians and Muslims but I think now that it was just wishfull thinking on my part.
As Cristopher Marlowe expressed in the post above, it's not possible to be honestly critisizing ones religious faith because it is always seen as insulting or ''blasphemous''.So it is impossible to be completely open and honest between the two camps.And how will anything constructive be accomplished with this state of affairs?

I feel a ''split'' in the ''movement'' is coming up and although it might be painfull, and good for the enemy initially because of all the infighting will take the spotlight a bit off them, but in the long run it will be positive because we have to have open and honest communication within our own group.

[Shiksa Rage]

Firstly, let me say that I like Giuliani and I agree with Lindsey that he is the real deal. However, when it comes to the subject of religion he is, quite frankly, a crushing bore. From what I can gather he comes frome a very religious background and now believes that he was taken for a sucker and can't let the matter drop. For fecks sake Charlie, get over it! I disagree with Pas that religious believers and non-believers can't work together: Mark Glenn and Michael Collins Piper seem to rub along alright. All it takes is mutual respect and tolerance.

[Rockclimber]

And do you know why they get along Shiksa Rage? Because they don't discuss the topic--they are united in their fight against the jewish elite. Religion need not break their bond against the worst enemy mankind has ever seen.

You find him a bore? I think you are being disingenuous but you would since you have a bias towards religion--completely understandable as I too was a diehard Christian at one time. I just allow facts, common sense, logic and reason to help me make my decisions in life.

This should be an interesting debate. You may not want to listen to it though--it may bore you.  

[Christopher Marlowe]

And do you know why they get along Shiksa Rage? Because they don't discuss the topic--they are united in their fight against the jewish elite. Religion need not break their bond against the worst enemy mankind has ever seen.

So you recognize that:
Christians and Non-Religious can get along.
It is not necessary to insult the Christian Religion in order to fight criminal Jewry.
That it is far more important to focus on the criminal acts committed by the Jewish cabal.  

RC, maybe YOU should debate Giuliani and make him come to his senses.

[GordZilla]

And do you know why they get along Shiksa Rage? Because they don't discuss the topic--they are united in their fight against the jewish elite. Religion need not break their bond against the worst enemy mankind has ever seen.

So you recognize that:
Christians and Non-Religious can get along.
It is not necessary to insult the Christian Religion in order to fight criminal Jewry.
That it is far more important to focus on the criminal acts committed by the Jewish cabal.  

RC, maybe YOU should debate Giuliani and make him come to his senses.

Bingo!

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

"For seventy years, from the Bolshevik Revolution to the closing years of the Gorbachev regime, militant atheism was the official religion, one might say, of the Soviet Union, and the Communist Party was, in effect, the established church. It was an avowed task of the Soviet state, led by the Communist Party, to root out from the minds and hearts of the Soviet state, all belief systems other than Marxism-Leninism."

— J. D. Van der Vyver, John Witte – Religious human rights in global perspective: legal perspectives

By Timothy Fitzpatrick

Source with images: http://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2012/03/2 ... nt-part-2/

If Christianity were the crypto-Jewish plot Charles Giuliani and his ilk claim it is, why then didn't the Jewish Bolshevists use it instead of atheism-nihilism (materialism and naturalism) to topple the Tsar and enslave the Russian people? Why did the Jewish-Masonic revolutionaries bring down the Christian aristocracy in once-Catholic France in order to realize the bloody success of the French Revolution? Giuliani claims Christianity and religion in general are tools for oppression and control yet we find Illuminati regimes past and present using anything and everything diametrically opposed to Christianity to enslave the masses. Godlessness, in fact, was successful in absolutely oppressing and enslaving the Russian and French masses, not Christianity. But with the revolutionaries' cries of the Jewish-Masonic slogan of "liberty, equality, and fraternity," constantly echoing in the streets and the labour halls, the takeover had on a mask of liberation and democracy[1] that fooled most.

Now some may argue that the Jewish religion suffered persecution in the Soviet Union, and thus Soviet state atheism could not have been part of the Jewish takeover but, instead, legitimate opposition to it. But this argument holds absolutely no water considering the fact that 90 per cent of Bolshevist officials were Jewish, not to mention leaders Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx (Moses Mordechai Levi Marx), and Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) were all Jewish. Even Stalin, who was married to a Jewess, founded the Union of Militant Atheists as a means to further eradicate Christianity from Russian culture. (The amount of information surrounding the Jewish engineering of the Russian Revolution is voluminous.)

In a shocking revelation, The Jewish Chronicle Supplement actually admitted on page three of its Feb. 26, 1937 edition that the pockets of Jewish persecution in the Soviet Union were the work of the hands of the Jews themselves and provided a means to an end for the greater Jewish-Bolshevist goals.

"It is a known fact in Russia, in so far as there was persecution of the Jewish religion, it never came from the higher staff authorities but from the Jewish Communists, who were, in most cases, sons of strictly religious fathers...."

Furthermore, we read in an article published in the January 1934 edition of American Jewish Journal:

"There is no doubt that the old, traditional Jewish synagogue is rapidly dying out in Russia. It is not dying because of Communist persecution, as many would like to believe, or any other outside influence, but simply because of a natural law of life. The youth has deserted it. Go over to the Jewish Communist Club on Tverskaya Street and you will find plenty of them."

Jewish-mandated state atheism was so widespread and untouchable in the Soviet Union that it even regularly got away with defaming Jesus and the much-cherished Russian Orthodox Church. Under the murderous reign of Lenin and Stalin, Christian churches were burned, orthodox priests were tortured and crucified, and average Christians were murdered or rounded up to work as slaves in the Gulags. "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism," Lenin once said. Famous Russian playwright Mikhail Bulgakov accused a Soviet atheist magazine, Bezbozhnik (the godless), of being run by Jews in his 1925 diary. The magazine was shut down in 1941 when the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union.

"Today I went specially to the editorial office of Bezbozhnik. It is located in Kozmodemyanovsky Lane, not far from the Mossovet building. I was with MS and he charmed me from the outset.....In the evening when I leafed through the issues of Bezbozhnik I was shaken. Not by the blasphemy, of course it knows no limits, but it is only an external feature. The heart of the matter lies in the idea, which can be proved with reference to actual documents: Jesus Christ is depicted as a swindler and a scoundrel: the attack is directed at him. It is not hard to see whose work this is. This is a crime like no other."

Soviet atheist magazine depicting Soviet labourers dumping Jesus Christ from a wheelbarrow

Of course, the Jews' most revered religious text, the Babylonian Talmud, calls Jesus Christ many horrible things, not the least of which is a "bastard" and the "son of a whore." It's hardly a stretch to say that Bezbozhnik was regurgitating aspects of the Jewish Talmud.

Now, Giuliani can downplay my accusations and simply claim not to be an atheist but, instead, some kind of agnostic thinker. He makes a point of not saying exactly to what belief he subscribes. Regardless, his anti-religious rhetoric sprinkled with cheap critiques of International Jewry ("Elite Jew Pigs! Elite Jew Pigs!") reveals that he is a dedicated nihilist walking in the tradition of Jewish Bolshevism, what is today called cultural Marxism. He attempts to cloud his audience's perception of this by raising random shades of morality. On a recent Truth Hertz show, he criticized the television show Two and a Half Men for promoting "filth."

Nihilism is fundamentally utilitarian and agnostic. For Giuliani to deny that, as a nihilist he has much in common with socialist and radical leftist Jews, is deceptive or self-deceptive. And this applies to all agnostic types in the movement who erroneously believe they serve as a bastion of pure anti-Judaism. For them to criticize Christianity as being a Jewish subversive organization is highly inappropriate and hypocritical.

Giuliani continually talks out both sides of his mouth. He calls the Bible evil while denying the validity of Christianity or religion at all. Meanwhile, Christianity is arguably the foremost religion to define evil and establish a standard by which to measure it. So, Giuliani rejects the Bible but accepts the Christian concept of evil. And he, nor his followers, see the contradiction in this?

Could Giuliani's utter contempt for the Bible and his obsession with the idea of an unjust God springing from it possibly reveal his inner turmoil? The following assertion by the late Father Seraphim Rose seems to sum up well Giuliani's struggle.

"Atheism, true 'existential' atheism burning with hatred of a seemingly unjust or unmerciful God, is a spiritual state; it is a real attempt to grapple with the true God.... Nietzsche, in calling himself Antichrist, proved thereby his intense hunger for Christ." —Nihilism: The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age

Giuliani as a psychoanalyst in the tradition of Freud

In part 1 of this series, I claimed that Giuliani bordered on psychoanalyzing Christians and religious persons. But upon further reflection and after listening to more of his shows and reading his "books" (they are really nothing more than pamphlets for sale), I would go so far as to say that he indeed does exhibit the behaviour of a typical psychoanalyst.

"Folks, it's schizophrenia; it really is," he says of Christianity in one of his many and incessant pathologizations of Christianity and Western Culture.[2] This is just as Jewish psychoanalytic father Sigmund Freud proposed, that Christianity was nothing more than a mental illness, a neurosis that must be wiped out in order to free humanity. Christian self-denial and the suppression of sex, they say, result in evil and anti-Semitism via projection.

"Jews suffer to a lesser extent than gentiles from the erosion of cultural supports for high-investment parenting," writes Professor Kevin MacDonald, one of the foremost critics of Freud today, "and Jews benefit by the decline in religious beliefs among gentiles. As Podhoretz (1995, 30) notes, it is in fact the case that Jewish intellectuals, Jewish organizations like the American Jewish Congress, and Jewish-dominated organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union have ridiculed Christian religious beliefs, attempted to undermine the public strength of Christianity, and have led the fight for unrestricted pornography. The evidence of this chapter indicates that psychoanalysis as a Jewish-dominated intellectual movement is a central component of this war on gentile cultural supports for high-investment parenting."[3]

So where does the American Jewish Congress end and Charles Giuliani begin? The above statement by MacDonald is all the more interesting considering MacDonald himself is an atheist. He does not see Christianity as furthering Jewish evolutionary strategies but, instead, acting as a hindrance toward them

Christianity easily the dominant force in the struggle against Jewish power

Whether it's the Spanish Inquisition, the writings of the Church Fathers over 2,000 years, or the various Christian-initiated European pogroms, there is simply no question that Christianity has led the charge against Jewish power throughout the ages. Even the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, where the sacred Jewish Temple of Solomon was destroyed and one million Jews killed, is considered to be the work of God through the Roman Empire, foretold in Christ's Olivet discourse.

"And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." —Matthew 24:1-2

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." —Luke 21:20

From Protestant reformer Martin Luther (The Jews and their Lies, 1543) to Christian Sergius Nilus (Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, 1895) spreading the truth globally about the international Jewish conspiracy, Christians have led the charge into modern times. I doubt very much that the nihilist anti-Judaic could come up with a résumé that would even come close to matching that of Christianity.

Take a look at just some of the prominent names of those brave Christians who have fought the good fight on behalf of Christ and His Kingdom over the last 2,000 years. The following list is by no means comprehensive or in any particular order.

Sergius Nilus

Vicomte Léon de Poncins

Maurice Pinay

Brendon O'Connell

John the Baptist

Isaiah the Prophet

Jeremiah the Prophet

The 12 apostles of Christ

Benjamin Freedman

Edward Hendrie

Texe Marrs

Mark Glenn (Charles Giuliani had the audacity to call Glenn a "Zionist" on his show with Revolt of the Plebs last week)

Jesus Christ

Origen

Doug Christie

Fritz Springmeier

Rev. I. B. Pranaitis

Arnold Leese

St. Augustine

St. John Chrysostom

Mel Gibson

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Lady Queenborough Edith Star Miller

James Keegstra

Michael Hoffman II

Flavius Josephus

Ted Pike

Ernst Zundel

Rev. Denis Fahey

H. A. Gwynne

Joseph M. Canfield

Carol Valentine

Elizabeth Dilling

Bobby Fisher

Athanasius

Bishop Richard Williamson

Brother Nathanael Kapner

Mordechai Vanunu

David Duke

Tertullian

James Shaw

Johann Andreas Eisenmenger

Stephen the Martyr

The Russian Tsar

A True Ott

Israel Shamir


If it weren't for brave men and women like these, it is doubtful as to whether the anti-Jewish movement would exist today to the degree it does. If it weren't for men like the above-mentioned, many would still be drinking the Holocaust Kool Aid today, among other flavours. Areligious people, not by any stretch of the imagination, can be credited for the depth of knowledge of world Jewry we have today. Professor Kevin MacDonald would be one exception, off the top of my head; I am sure there are others, but not many. The areligious opportunists like Giuliani know this fact, but they don't care; they have hijacked this historically Christian movement for their own personal gain—with the only real beneficiaries being the Jews in this case.

Christians aim to help a person eliminate sin from their life—sin, which is at the root of the Jewish problem. Meanwhile, anti-Judaic atheist types attempt to eliminate the Jew only. Do you think sin will disappear with the Jew once he is finally dead and gone? No other group of people will rise up in the Jews' place? This is as naive thinking as Giuliani levels against Christians. Do you think that no other group of people, other than the Jews, have oppressed humans

If sin were a tree, Judaism would be its branches. And while anti-Judaic atheists spend all of their time shearing the branches, the Christian is down on the ground with an axe.

Christianity's diametric opposition to Judaism

Judaism today remains a racist, exclusively tribalistic religion based on superstition, sorcery, witchcraft, subversion, dishonesty, carnality, and whose adherents are obsessed with law. In contrast, Christianity is universal in its outreach and based on love, justice, altruism, spirituality and repentance; although, its adherents don't always live up to these. We are all human after all. It is true that Christianity came via the Hebrews, but it is not of the Hebrews. It is of God alone. No man may boast, and God is no respecter of men. And because greater Christianity absolutely rejects a Zionist interpretation of scripture, it is not a Zionist religion by any means, despite a small minority of "evangelicals" in the United States of America claiming different. (See John Hagee, Jack Van Impe et al.)

Revolt of the Plebs blogger Keith Johnson, another nihilist type in the truth movement, admits that the Jews had to insert footnotes into the Bible in order to Judaize the Church. But if Christianity is fundamentally Zionist, as Giuliani claims, the Jews should not have needed to create the Scofield Reference Bible in the first place. Furthermore, if the Old Testament is such a Zionist influence, why then did the Pharisees see the need to create the Talmud and the Kabballah? Shouldn't have the Old Testament sufficed? Following the Torah, the latter parts (majority of the Old Testament) are full of anti-Judaism, mainly in the writings of the prophets[4], whom the Jews murdered as a result. But Giuliani only ever focuses on the Mosaic books. The rest of the Old Testament doesn't corroborate his bias interpretation of the Torah. And any Biblical scholar knows that true interpretation is based on other scripture—"Let scripture interpret scripture", not on man's thinking. A true rendering of the Torah cannot be obtained without first comparing it with the rest of scripture. Where inconsistencies are found, other places in the Bible clarify them.

While there is a form of nationalism in the Old Testament, what one could misconstrue as Zionism, it was merely a temporal condition and not the original or ultimate purpose of God. National Israel was a foreshadowing of a global people for God. (Foreshadowing is used in many places throughout the Bible, specifically when dealing with prophecy.) And that is where the New Testament comes into play, with its universalistic approach to God's dealings with His creation.

"Modern orthodoxy is not the religion of the Bible and of the Prophets. It is a post-Biblical or Talmud religion built up by the Pharisees and doctors of the Law between the second and fifth centuries after Jesus Christ, to preserve the small minority of Jews who had not followed Christ, and to consummate the definite break from triumphant Christianity.

"The universalist, messianic, finalist Judaism of the Prophets ended with Jesus, and conquered the world in Christian form.

"Legal national Judaism kept its God exclusively in the community of its choice, which it has striven to protect from the dangers that constantly threaten it. It is based on an interpretation of Biblical texts by oral, not revealed, traditions called Mischna, Gemara, Halaka, and Hagada. This collection, known as the Talmud, was first conceived of in Jerusalem towards the end of the second century and completed in Babylon in the fifth century. The two Talmuds consist of eleven volumes in octavo and are twenty times the size of the Bible."

(Dr. A. Roudinesco: Le Malheur d'Israel, pp. 114-115)

Renowned researcher Michael Hoffman, who strongly opposes the idea of a "Judeo-Christian" tradition, elaborates:

"There is no fundamental opposition between spirit and matter in Judaism. When Jesus declared in John chapter 6 that 'the flesh profiteth nothing,' he was violating the oral tradition of the Pharisees: 'Rabbinic anthropology differs in this respect from...Christian-anthropology...there is not a fundamental metaphysical opposition between (body and soul)...' Judaism celebrates the body to such a sordid extent that it even has a defecation prayer which every Talmudic male is commanded to recite every time he relieves himself: 'Blessed art thou O Lord...who has made the human in its orifices and holes.' Everything about Orthodox Judaism is either a distortion or falsification of the Old Testament, because it is based on anthropomorphic traditions that void the Old Testament by means of a series of dispensations and loopholes. These begin with the Mishnah, which represents the commitment to writing of the occult legends and lore of those Israelites who had preserved 'secret knowledge' which had arisen with the worship of the golden calf, of Molech and similar abominations. With the rejection of their Messiah and the commitment of the formerly oral traditions to writing, these Israelites completely abandoned themselves to a perversion which had once been only a persistent underground stream polluting Israel, but after Christ's crucifixion, emerged as the main ideology of those who refused to accept Jesus as their savior.

(Michael Hoffman, Judaism Discovered, pp. 145)

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[1] Rev. Denis Fahey – Note on Democracy, The Rulers of Russia pages 99-100 – Third Edition, Revised, and Enlarged (1986)

[2] Charles Giuliani Truth Hertz, March 20, 2012 http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth ... 20_16k.mp3

[3] Kevin MacDonald, Culture of Critique (1998) pages 147-148

[4]  Mark Glenn, The Ugly Truth – Portions of the Book of Jeremiah http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2008/ ... -jeremiah/

[Shiksa Rage]

And do you know why they get along Shiksa Rage? Because they don't discuss the topic--they are united in their fight against the jewish elite. Religion need not break their bond against the worst enemy mankind has ever seen.

Bravo! My point exactly. Glenn and Piper do not waste time and energy sniping at each other. Instead they concentrate on attacking the real enemy. Pity Charlie doesn't take a leaf out of their book.
As for me being disingenuous, why would you think that? I've stated that I like Charlie's work but in this area he can become tedious just like anyone with a pet obsession not shared by others. By the same token, I have similar problems with Texe Marrs. It would be better, in this fight, if people kept their religious convictions to themselves as it is merely causes division.

[sullivan]

Bravo! My point exactly. Glenn and Piper do not waste time and energy sniping at each other. Instead they concentrate on attacking the real enemy. Pity Charlie doesn't take a leaf out of their book.
As for me being disingenuous, why would you think that? I've stated that I like Charlie's work but in this area he can become tedious just like anyone with a pet obsession not shared by others. By the same token, I have similar problems with Texe Marrs. It would be better, in this fight, if people kept their religious convictions to themselves as it is merely causes division.

People are not going to keep their religious convictions or lack of them to themselves though, that's the problem. The best way of dealing with it is to take from each individual what you value as truth and leave the rest. Christians or farmers might know the concept as separating the wheat from the chaff.  While I won't go out of my way to offend anyone's beliefs, I still think that any faith worth its salt should be able to withstand examination, criticism and even ridicule.

For Timmy: I've merged "Charles Giuliani: A Nihilist Saboteur of the Truth Movement? Part II" with this thread. There is absolutely no need to create a new discussion when the topic hasn't changed.

[sullivan]

Now, Giuliani can downplay my accusations and simply claim not to be an atheist but, instead, some kind of agnostic thinker. He makes a point of not saying exactly to what belief he subscribes.

Does he have to subscribe to a particular belief? Where is that mandated?

Regardless, his anti-religious rhetoric sprinkled with cheap critiques of International Jewry ("Elite Jew Pigs! Elite Jew Pigs!") reveals that he is a dedicated nihilist walking in the tradition of Jewish Bolshevism, what is today called cultural Marxism.

So when you are criticising International Jewry your critiques are not equally cheap?  So anyone who is anti-religious is now a nihilist and cultural Marxist? Do you realise exactly how daft this sounds?

He attempts to cloud his audience's perception of this by raising random shades of morality. On a recent Truth Hertz show, he criticized the television show Two and a Half Men for promoting "filth."

Ah, the old "atheists and agnostics can't have morals" line. I haven't seen that one in quite a while. Thank you for digging it out and dusting it off. Now that you have, can you put it back in its box where it belongs?

Nihilism is fundamentally utilitarian and agnostic. For Giuliani to deny that, as a nihilist he has much in common with socialist and radical leftist Jews, is deceptive or self-deceptive.

I think you are the one being deceptive here, to be honest.  Just look at the twisted logic in the above sentence for a good example.

And this applies to all agnostic types in the movement who erroneously believe they serve as a bastion of pure anti-Judaism.

Can I be a member of this "agnostic types" club, please? Sounds like they are a nice bunch!

For them to criticize Christianity as being a Jewish subversive organization is highly inappropriate and hypocritical.

Not when it is accompanied by a reasoned analysis it is not, you know, the sort of reasoned analysis you have failed to present, for instance. What I have seen here is an entirely emotional reaction to his criticism of something you hold dear, but it is sorely lacking in any sort of reasoning.

Giuliani continually talks out both sides of his mouth.

Whatever happened to "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", eh?

He calls the Bible evil while denying the validity of Christianity or religion at all.

That is his right, as it is yours to believe the contrary.

Meanwhile, Christianity is arguably the foremost religion to define evil and establish a standard by which to measure it.

Are you serious? Do you honestly think humankind would have no concept of evil were it not for the Bible?

So, Giuliani rejects the Bible but accepts the Christian concept of evil. And he, nor his followers, see the contradiction in this?

You can't see a contradiction in a statement that at best is misinformed and at worst is disingenuous. I hate to break it to you, but the concepts of good and evil are pretty much universal.

Could Giuliani's utter contempt for the Bible and his obsession with the idea of an unjust God springing from it possibly reveal his inner turmoil?

Giuliani as a psychoanalyst in the tradition of Freud

And who is playing armchair psychoanalyst now with your suppositions regarding his motivations?