Charles Giuliani: A Nihilist Saboteur of the Truth Movement?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

...As promised.

Source: http://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2012/03/1 ... -movement/

Part 1 of 2

By Timothy Fitzpatrick

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil...."

— Jewish Kabbalist and Grand Sovereign Commander Albert Pike

As the truth movement wises up to the growing number of sheep in wolves' clothing among them (Zionist shill Alex Jones being among the first to fall hard), it's only a matter of time before most or all of the shills and frauds that have held back the movement are weeded out.

A small potatoes paytriot gaining prominence in some circles today is Charles Giuliani(i), an over-the-top, charismatic commentator who has joined a host of other so-called patriots on the Oracle Broadcasting Network, which is known for having a mixture of both truthtellers and shills, and has a similar look, feel, and the same core of advertizers and guests as the Republic Broadcasting Network and even the Alex Jones empire in the Genesis Communications Network.  Alan Watt is an example of a shill at RBN while Michael Collins Piper would be an example of a legitimate patriot, just to give you an idea of how truthers and liars seem to co-exist among truth movement mediums.

Giuliani, whose show Truth Hertz runs almost daily at OBN, maintains an anti-Zionist show theme within the context of a nihilist, highly anti-religious worldview. Giuliani and his brigade of typically militant atheist followers claim he is a Biblical scholar (the perfect alibi) who has the authority and knowledge to come to the radical conclusion that Christianity is not only an extension but at the core of the global Jewish conspiracy.

Giuliani suddenly becomes Jew wise

A little bit about how this Giuliani character came to become a show host at OBN. He perhaps first became known in the truth movement on Pal Talk—a popular Internet chat room—under the handle "imilac" and other variations of this name. This all occurred between about 2004 and 2006. (Prior to Pal Talk, he frequented Yahoo chat rooms). There he typically focused on the 9/11 aspect of the New World Order and based many of his rooms on this. Personally, I recall bringing up in his rooms the Zionist aspects of the New World Order and was either warned that I could not talk about it, or I was subsequently booted and banned from the room. This is strange behavior from a guy who is so seemingly anti-Zionist today and persistently uses the clichéd charge "elite Jew pigs" dozens and dozens of times throughout any given broadcast of his at OBN. And, of course, Giuliani himself rarely, if ever, brought up Zionism in his early Pal Talk days, much less created a room themed on anti-Zionism. (I believe he is still active on Pal Talk). Perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt; perhaps he wasn't Jew wise then. But that excuse is difficult to accept considering the depth of information Charles would expound upon about the 911 attacks. And why proactively censor information linking the Jews?

Giuliani's nihilist bias and its Jewish associations

One of the most troubling aspect of the Truth Hertz program is its overtly nihilist bias. In the mind of Giuliani and his followers, there is no truth other than that the Jews are oppressing the world. This is highly contradictory and self-defeating, because how can it be absolute that there is a Jewish conspiracy yet everything else is relative or an illusion? I don't wish to get into a debate about the validity of nihilism or atheism here, but whether it is true or not, listeners of Truth Hertz should know that Giuliani is not presenting value-free information.

Nihilism was vital to the success of the Marxist-Bolshevist (Jewish) takeover of Russia.

"In 1881, the Nihilists murdered Czar Alexander II. Konstantine Petrovitch Pobiedonostsev (also: Constantin Pobedonostzeff), a man of Jewish appearance who won the favor of Alexander III, retaliated with pogroms against the Jews; which, while certainly bad, were exaggerated in the international press... many of the younger Jews participated in the revolutionary movement of the Nihilists, and that the Jews were consequently responsible for the death of the 'Czar-Emancipator." (Christopher Jon Bjerknes, The Manufacture and Sale of Saint Einstein, pages 789-790)

Also see Father Seraphim Rose's Nihilism, The Root of Revolution in the Modern Age.

The Jews admit the importance of nihilism to their revolutionary causes in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Historically, nihilism has had more in common with Talmudic Judaism than with skepticism or logic, contrary to what some may think.

Jewish Kabbalist Mason Albert Pike describes nihilism's use in the Jews' Hegelian dialectic:

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."[ii]

What lies at the root of Giuliani's attacks on Christianity?

Giuliani doesn't simply just reject Christianity—which has been a staple of Jewish opposition for millennia—he goes out of his way to attack it and belittle its adherents. His basis for Christianity being an alleged Jewish plot is based mostly on his personal interpretations of the Levitical laws and Jewish history in the Old Testament. How could a religion like Christianity be legitimate if its core book is based on the behavior of a genocidal war God, he argues, without quantifying the reasons for some of God's actions in the Old Testament. Instead, he sets up a strawman argument. For example, Giuliani claims Jesus was a Zionist merely because Jesus quoted Isaiah. Giuliani then takes Isaiah out of context in order to strengthen his case that Jesus is supposedly advocating that the nations shall bow at the feet of Israel.[iii] Isaiah is a highly figurative book. When it speaks of Israel, it's speaking about a spiritual people, not a physical nation.

Giuliani over-simplifies and mischaracterizes the God of the Bible (his infantile conception that God is simply a genocidal, baby-killing enslaver) without considering the context of the scripture. He seems to take almost everything out of context in order to support his dramatic, knee-jerk view. Furthermore, it's ironic, and contradictory that Giuliani rails against those who have a black-and-white concept of reality (arguably religious people), while at the same time he uses a black-and-white critique of God. He also uses the all-too-cliché Zeitgeist critique of Christianity—that it is merely a regurgitation of ancient pagan religions—and claims the Bible is full of contradictions.[iv]

Giuliani borders on psychoanalyzing Christian and religious people. Psychoanalysis, of course, was an exclusively Jewish movement started by a radical Zionist named Sigmund Freud. Giuliani furthers his assault on Christianity by mischaracterizing the majority of Christianity as being Zionist when, in fact, Christian Zionism is only a minority of the global Ecclesia and a strictly British Commonwealth phenomenon. This brings to mind a Truth Hertz show when Giuliani interviewed veteran patriot Texe Marrs. When Marrs was about to explain his thoughts on the Old Testament specific to Giuliani's criticism of it, Giuliani conveniently cut him off in an Alex Jones-like fashion. Giuliani often criticizes Christian apologists of using "...Because God said so" circular reasoning. However, this is likely only true in the case of inexperienced or new converts. Giuliani never actually gets into the nuts and bolts of the Bible. Instead, he simply picks and chooses passages upon which to formulate his arguments (isolationist tactics).

In conclusion, I posit that Charles Giuliani is intellectually dishonest at best and an Alex Jones-like shill at worst furthering the Jewish crusade against religion and specifically Christianity.[v] He cannot be trusted, nor can the Genesis-Oracle-Republican broadcasting triad.

Part 2 will deal with Christianity's contribution to the truth movement and its polar opposition to Judaism

(i) Oracle Broadcasting host profiles http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/broadcasters.php

[ii] Pike to Mazzini, Aug. 15, 1871 William Guy Carr, Pawns in the Game, p. xv-xvi

[iii] Truth Hertz, Oracle Broadcasting http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth ... 31_16k.mp3 and http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth ... 02_16k.mp3

[iv] CARM Bible Difficulties and Contradictions http://carm.org/introduction-bible-diff ... radictions

[v] Maurice Pinay, The Plot Against the Church http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

[Anonymous]

I disagree with most of the article. I think Charles runs the best show out there.

There is nothing the author of the article was able to pin directly on Charles, instead he used labels such as nihilism to categorize him and then brought up negative connotations about them hoping the reader would link them to him.

[ada]

I disagree with most of the article. I think Charles runs the best show out there.

There is nothing the author of the article was able to pin directly on Charles, instead he used labels such as nihilism to categorize him and then brought up negative connotations about them hoping the reader would link them to him.

But what if it is true that nihilism,atheism and hostility against Christians,Muslims and Gentiles only roots in jewish concealment.
You may deny this arguing that its just secular and christian faith in Jesus Christ is refuted since jewish enlightenment and science.
But do you know the Arian Christian history and heritage which is concealed till today ?
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... ba&strip=1

History of the Christian Church, Volume IV: Mediaeval Christianity. A.D. 590-1073.
Arian Christianity among the Goths and other...

§ 21. Arian Christianity among the Goths and other German Tribes.

I. Editions of the remains of the Gothic Bible Version of Wulfila: by H. C. von der Gabelenz and J. Loebe, Leipz. 1836–46; Massmann, 1855–57; E. Bernhardt, 1875 (with the Greek text and notes); and Stamm, 7th ed. 1878, and in fac-simile by Uppström, 1854–1868. See also Ulphilae Opera, and Schaff, Compan. to Gr. Test., p. 150.

Ulphilae Opera (Versio Bibliorum Gothica), in Migne's Patrolog., Tom. XVIII. pp. 462–1559 (with a Gothic glossary).

II. G. Waitz: Ueber das Leben und die Lehre des Ulfila. Hanover 1840.

W. Bessel: Das Leben des Ulfilas und die Bekehrung der Gothen zum Christenthum. Götting. 1860.

W. Krafft: l.c. I. 213–326; and De Fontibus Ulfilae Arianismi. 1860.

A. Helfferich: Der west-gothische Arianismus und die spanische Ketzergeschichte. Berlin 1860.


We now proceed to the conversion of the Continental Teutons, especially those of France and Germany.

The first wholesale conversions of the Germanic or Teutonic race to the Christian religion took place among the Goths in the time when Arianism was at the height of power in the East Roman empire. The chief agents were clerical and other captives of war whom the Goths in their raids carried with them from the provinces of the Roman empire and whom they learned to admire and love for their virtue and supposed miraculous power. Constantine the Great entered into friendly relations with them, and is reported by Eusebius and Socrates to have subjected them to the cross of Christ. It is certain that some ecclesiastical organization was effected at that time. Theophilus, a bishop of the Goths, is mentioned among the fathers of the Council of Nicaea, 325.

The real apostle of the Goths is Ulifilas,9797    The usual spelling. Better: Wulfila, i.e. Wölflein, Little Wolf. who was consecrated bishop in 348 at Constantinople, and died there in 381, aged seventy years. He invented the Gothic alphabet, and translated the Bible into Gothic, but was an Arian, or rather a semi-Arian, who regarded Christ as a secondary God and the Holy Spirit merely as a sanctifying power.9898    In his testamentary creed, which he always held (semper sic credidi), he confesses faith "in God the Father and in his only begotten Son our Lord and God, and in the Holy Spirit as virtutem illuminantem et sanctificantem nec Deum nec Dominum sed ministrum Christi." Comp. Krafft, l.c. 328 sqq.

Arianism spread with great rapidity among the Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Burgundians, and Vandals. This heretical form of Christianity, however, was more a matter of accident than preference and conviction among the Germans, and soon gave way to orthodoxy when they became acquainted with it. When Alaric, the famous king of the Visigoths, captured Rome (410), he treated the city with marked leniency, which Augustin justly traced to the influence of the Christian faith even in heretical form. The Vandals, the rudest among the Teutonic tribes, made an exception; they fiercely persecuted the orthodox Christians in North Africa (since 430) and desolated this once flourishing field of the Catholic Church, the scene of the immortal labors of St. Augustin. Their kingdom was destroyed under Justinian (534), but the Catholic Church never rose from its ruins, and the weak remnant was conquered by the sword of Islâm (670).

Chrysostom made a noble effort to convert the Eastern Goths from Arianism to Catholicity, but his mission ceased after his death (407).

The conversion of the Franks to Catholic christianity and various political circumstances led to the abandonment of Arianism among the other Germanic tribes. The Burgundians who spread from the Rhine to the Rhone and Saone, embraced Catholic Christianity in 517, and were incorporated into the French kingdom in 534. The Suevi who spread from Eastern Germany into France and Spain, embraced the Catholic faith in 550. The Visigoths in Spain, through their king, Reccared the Catholic, subscribed an orthodox creed at the third Council of Toledo, a.d. 589, but the last of the Gothic kings, Roderic, was conquered by the Saracens, breaking into Spain from Africa, in the bloody battle of Xeres de la Frontera, a.d. 711.

The last stronghold of Arianism were the Longobards or Lombards, who conquered Northern Italy (still called Lombardy) and at first persecuted the Catholics. They were converted to the orthodox faith by the wise influence of Pope Gregory I. (590616), and the Catholic queen Theodelinde (d. 625) whose husband Agilulf (590–616) remained Arian, but allowed his son Adelwald to be baptized and brought up in the Catholic Church. An Arian reaction followed, but Catholicism triumphed under Grimoald (662–671), and Liutprand (773–774). Towards the close of the eighth century, Pepin and Charlemagne, in the interest of France and the papacy, destroyed the independence of the Lombards after a duration of about two hundred years, and transferred the greater part of Italy to the Eastern empire and to the Pope. In these struggles the Popes, being then (as they have been ever since) opposed from hierarchical interest to the political unity of Italy, aided the Franks and reaped the benefit.

[ada]

fixed link from above:
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc4.i.ii.xvi.html

[Christopher Marlowe]

I disagree with most of the article. I think Charles runs the best show out there.

There is nothing the author of the article was able to pin directly on Charles, instead he used labels such as nihilism to categorize him and then brought up negative connotations about them hoping the reader would link them to him.

Personally, I recall bringing up in his rooms the Zionist aspects of the New World Order and was either warned that I could not talk about it, or I was subsequently booted and banned from the room. This is strange behavior from a guy who is so seemingly anti-Zionist today and persistently uses the clichéd charge "elite Jew pigs" dozens and dozens of times throughout any given broadcast of his at OBN. And, of course, Giuliani himself rarely, if ever, brought up Zionism in his early Pal Talk days, much less created a room themed on anti-Zionism.

Giuliani doesn't simply just reject Christianity—which has been a staple of Jewish opposition for millennia—he goes out of his way to attack it and belittle its adherents.

This brings to mind a Truth Hertz show when Giuliani interviewed veteran patriot Texe Marrs. When Marrs was about to explain his thoughts on the Old Testament specific to Giuliani's criticism of it, Giuliani conveniently cut him off in an Alex Jones-like fashion. Giuliani often criticizes Christian apologists of using "...Because God said so" circular reasoning. However, this is likely only true in the case of inexperienced or new converts. Giuliani never actually gets into the nuts and bolts of the Bible. Instead, he simply picks and chooses passages upon which to formulate his arguments (isolationist tactics)

[GordZilla]

I remain skeptical of any 'Jew wise' person who would spend more time attacking Christianity than Judaism, Giuliani fits this persona. It would be one thing if he simply attacked Judeochristianity, but he doesn't distinguish between them, and by not distinguishing he simply ignores a huge part of our history, and he ignores the even  more important fact that apart from Christianity, Judaism has received virtually no resistance from any other visible and identifiable grouping known to man. That's a huge oversight to make simply out of a personal bias. But that's EXACTLY what he does. His agenda is not shared by me. I will ally with a 'Jew wise' atheist no questions asked, but he aggressively seeks to cause discord between us. You can pretend all you want that Christianity has never been a counter force to the Jew, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but everyone is NOT entitled to their own facts. Facts remain facts, and despite Giuliani's best efforts, I see right thru him.

 Blue Jelly, you might not want to throw your hat in this guy's camp, I personally believe it's only a matter of time before he too is also exposed. His agenda is not waking people to the Jews, his agenda is to promote more divide between Jew wise Christians, Muslims and secular peoples. It's that simple, if you only listen. To adlib Mark Glen; "what would anyone find to hate about Jesus the man or His words?" Giuliani can tell ya, and so can most Jews, but a decent person would be hard pressed to find anything, even the best of the atheists will at least argue His message was a good one (whether He was fictional or not, His teachings were still just) . So what do you see in this guy? A ally in which to fight Christians? Or Jews? If it's to fight Christians than he's your man. But to fight Jews? ...Well he'll only cause more divide and infighting amongst us, and therefore what's he really worth?  Nothing to me, lots to the Jew. Blue Jelly, if he spent the same amount of time attacking Islam as he does Christianity would you then be skeptical? Just wondering.

But again I'll remind you, no identifiable group has ever brought the Jew more trouble than Christians. Giuliani knows this, as only a fool could not see that to be true, so why the hatred Giuliani? Was it something He said?
 

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Without Christ is there any hope?  

I do think C.G. should refrain from attacking people with honest faith in Christ.  Christ fought the Jews and their Babylonian derived lies...as all Christians should.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Giuliani's ad hominem response: http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth ... 19_16k.mp3

Apparently I'm a "pussy" with a capital "P", a "weasel", and an "ass". This goes on into hour two, at which point he tells his listeners that he doesn't know why he keeps reading my article between breaks. Could it be, Guliani, cause you fear your cover is blown? Go ahead and spend the "whole show" refuting it. We are all waiting. So far in this show, you have done exactly what I accuse you of doing. Thanks for proving my points.

[Anonymous]

Prove that you are not, go on his show and lay it all down.

[Michael K.]

Prove that you are not, go on his show and lay it all down.

I have to agree.  Even though Giuliani has the advantage of being the moderator, if he uses this position to do and end run around specifics, he will unintentionally discredit himself.  Go witness the truth Timothy.

[LordLindsey]

Timmy, I told you over and over again that if you are going to go-after Charles, you will HAVE to go on his show.  You are not dealing with a shill like Jones; this man is the real deal, and I know how you feel about religion, but if I were you and TRULY BELIEVED what you do, I would NOT HESITATE FOR A MOMENT to go on his show.

I have tried to tell you that he is the real deal, but you just didn't believe me.  We need to just leave religion out of this fight, at least on an extremist-level, because we have a COMMON-ENEMY that intends to destroy US ALL.

LINDSEY

[Mami]

Charles was duped by the christian dogma like many others, and has a perfect right to be pissed off and bash their bullshit, IMO

[Christopher Marlowe]

I have to agree. Even though Giuliani has the advantage of being the moderator, if he uses this position to do and end run around specifics, he will unintentionally discredit himself. Go witness the truth Timothy.

Amen.  Go Timmy! Pray and let the Truth come out.

[maz]

Giuliani's ad hominem response: http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth ... 19_16k.mp3

Apparently I'm a "pussy" with a capital "P", a "weasel", and an "ass". This goes on into hour two, at which point he tells his listeners that he doesn't know why he keeps reading my article between breaks. Could it be, Guliani, cause you fear your cover is blown? Go ahead and spend the "whole show" refuting it. We are all waiting. So far in this show, you have done exactly what I accuse you of doing. Thanks for proving my points.

If you were to appear on his show it would no doubt be an interesting segment, but I fear that Giuliani would over-moderate and talk all over you.

[LordLindsey]

If you do not go on his show and stand-true to your conviction, then you are a hypocrite.  You want to try to "expose" him for something that he is not, yet if you are not "MAN-ENOUGH" to go face-to-face with him, then you have completely lost any credibility with me, and I can speak for the vast majority of everyone else.

Timmy, it is one thing for any of us to write articles or talk PASSIVELY on issues, but to CONFRONT someone or something on a major issue--THAT IS WHERE THE TRUTH REVEALS ITSELF.

End of discussion.  

LINDSEY

[VikingSails]

^^ This. While you were sitting there like a giddy school girl, hearing your name over and over on the radio, why not call in? You obviously were sitting there listening to his show long enough to hear him call you out ten times. If your conviction is strong, you should have nothing to worry about. Also Giuliani is NOT and atheist. He's stated on many occasions he believes in God. Just not the vile Yahweh.

[sullivan]

So what if he is a militant atheist? That proves absolutely nothing other than the fact that he offends your particular worldview, Timothy.  So let me get this right, anyone who doesn't believe as you do is furthering the Jewish agenda?  Yeah, right.

[Christopher Marlowe]

yet if you are not "MAN-ENOUGH" to go face-to-face with him, then you have completely lost any credibility with me, and I can speak for the vast majority of everyone else.

Timmy, it is one thing for any of us to write articles or talk PASSIVELY on issues, but to CONFRONT someone or something on a major issue--THAT IS WHERE THE TRUTH REVEALS ITSELF.

I agree that having an open debate is one of the best ways for Truth to reveal itself.  But it does not follow that Timmy MUST confront Giuliani. Timmy can do whatever he wants to do. While I think he ought to go on Giuliani's show and explain the many ways that Giuliani is wrong, it is not for me or for anyone else to say that Timmy has to do. Taunting people in order to get them to do what I desire them to do is just imposing my will onto someone else.  

And even though I might feel very strongly about something, I can't claim to speak for anyone else unless they have appointed me to do that. Timmy might have his own reasons for not going on the show.

While you were sitting there like a giddy school girl, hearing your name over and over on the radio, why not call in? You obviously were sitting there listening to his show long enough to hear him call you out ten times.

Brand new to the site and already reaching out and making friends.
Is that the proper way to talk to a total stranger? To insult their masculinity and their religion?

That is just what this site needed: another internet tough guy.  People in the real world are not so rude because they know that they would have to answer for their words.

[sullivan]

Taunting people in order to get them to do what I desire them to do is just imposing my will onto someone else.

Isn't that more or less what Timothy is doing?

[GordZilla]

So what if he is a militant atheist? That proves absolutely nothing other than the fact that he offends your particular worldview, Timothy.  So let me get this right, anyone who doesn't believe as you do is furthering the Jewish agenda?  Yeah, right.

Wait what? I agree with; 'so what if he is an atheist?' ....but 'militant'?!?? If he's a 'militant' anything , no matter who "he" is in this example ...well. ..it's usually not good.  

 Sorry but being a militant anything while trying to represent 'Jew-wise' people is not going to help. If he was a militant White supremacist, would that help? A militant Christian or Muslim, would that help? I would argue that ALL those scenarios, in the end, only help the Jew's cause - NOT OURS!.  For all those scenarios would only cause more divide between us. Personally, that is my main issue with Giuliani; the amount of time he spends attacking the Christian faith over that of the Jew's. Other than that I, personally, have no problem with him. Atheism is fine by my book, but being militant about it is NEVER a good practice.  And, as witnessed, you can clearly see the divide it causes, right here in this very forum. So how does it help our cause to be 'militant ' about either side of this debate?? It does help the Jew's cause though, make no mistake about it.

Maybe it was just an unfortunate choice of words on your behalf, but if you are going to argue being a -(Jew wise)- militant atheist (or anything) does not help the Jew's cause than I'd have to strongly disagree.

 just my two cents on it.

[sullivan]

Wait what? I agree with; 'so what if he is an atheist?' ....but 'militant'?!?? If he's a 'militant' anything , no matter who "he" is in this example ...well. ..it's usually not good.

It seems to me that all it takes to be descrbed as a "militant" atheist is one who is vocal about making their position known, as opposed to being content with staying quiet.

Sorry but being a militant anything while trying to represent 'Jew-wise' people is not going to help.

Militant: Combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause

Sometimes we need to be combative and/or aggressive in getting the message across. I see nothing wrong with that.

[GordZilla]

Wait what? I agree with; 'so what if he is an atheist?' ....but 'militant'?!?? If he's a 'militant' anything , no matter who "he" is in this example ...well. ..it's usually not good.

It seems to me that all it takes to be descrbed as a "militant" atheist is one who is vocal about making their position known, as opposed to being content with staying quiet.

Sorry but being a militant anything while trying to represent 'Jew-wise' people is not going to help.

Militant: Combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause

Sometimes we need to be combative and/or aggressive in getting the message across. I see nothing wrong with that.

Me neither, as long as our collective target is the Jew and their agenda, not each other! And that is exactly my point; the divide it causes.  And, by the very definition you provided; being 'militant' takes more than just expressing one's position, you answered that for yourself.  Being militant to each other, within our movement, helps the Jews, you still don't see anything wrong with that??? We need to come together, faithful and secular 'Jew wise' people, if we don't than we will fail. Giuliani should know this. So being militant within our ranks cannot help us. Mind you I don't particularly see him as 'militant' (that was your description), but i do think he spends too much time focusing on Christians, rather than Jews.I mean, if you want Christian bashing, just watch TV, or visit popular social web sites, etc. etc ad infinity.

 Myself, all I want to hear is some more good old fashioned, and warranted, Jew bashing!

[sullivan]

Being militant to each other, within our movement, helps the Jews, you still don't see anything wrong with that???

Of course I do. I see framing the issue in terms of Christian / anti-Christian and suggesting to others within the movement that those who don't buy into one or the other are "shills" as militant in the negative sense.

[Christopher Marlowe]

Taunting people in order to get them to do what I desire them to do is just imposing my will onto someone else.

Isn't that more or less what Timothy is doing?

Not at all. I just re-read Timothy's analysis of Giuliani and I found it to be critical of G's tactics, but that it never launches into ad-hom.  

tauntingpresent participle of taunt (Verb)
Verb:   

    Provoke or challenge (someone) with insulting remarks: "students began taunting her about her weight".
    Reproach (someone) with something in a contemptuous way: "she had taunted him with going to another man".

if you are not "MAN-ENOUGH" to go face-to-face with him

I missed the part where Timothy is taunting Giuliani and challenging his manliness.  Could you point that out?

[GordZilla]

Being militant to each other, within our movement, helps the Jews, you still don't see anything wrong with that???

Of course I do. I see framing the issue in terms of Christian / anti-Christian and suggesting to others within the movement that those who don't buy into one or the other as "shills" as militant in the negative sense.

 

Now back to Jew-bashing!  

[LordLindsey]

Look, we all want to hear this hashed-out ONCE-AND-FOR-ALL.

If I had a problem with someone, you can bet-your-ass that I wouldn't just passively write something passively, but that I would confront him or her on their show and get it resolved PUBLICLY for all to hear.

If I am wrong, so be it.  You all have known me long-enough to know that I HAVE confronted guests, and even hosts, who are spouting bullshit and showed them to look the fool or LIAR or OBFUSCATOR that they were, so I PUT-MY-MONEY-WHERE-MY-MOUTH-IS.

Timmy, just go on his show because this will never be resolved until you do.  I respect your religious-conviction and sincerely want to hear you make-your-case on-air.

LINDSEY

[VikingSails]

Brand new to the site and already reaching out and making friends.
Is that the proper way to talk to a total stranger? To insult their masculinity and their religion?

That is just what this site needed: another internet tough guy.  People in the real world are not so rude because they know that they would have to answer for their words.

Fair enough. My shaolin kicks are deadly from behind my keyboard   I never insulted his religion in my post, I just think if your going to write a whole blog post about somebody, you should be able to talk in the real world, and not hide behind a blog. People in the real world are not so rude because they know that they would have to answer for their words.

[Christopher Marlowe]

I never insulted his religion in my post

FYI, the name you used in your post is a name for God in Catholic Holy Scriptures.  
There is an interesting story regarding this name.

When Yeshua (Jesus) died on the cross, Pilate had the words "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews." I believe in Hebrew that would read Yeshua Ha'Netzeret V'mlech Ha'Yehudim. Yeshua is Jesus (Gk), Ha'Netzeret is "of Nazareth, V'mlech is "the King" and Yehudim is from Yehuda or of Judah, the tribe from which Yeshua descended. By taking the first letters of each of these four words we get Y-H-V-H, or YHVH, the tetragrammaton of Y_hw_h or Y_hv_H (Yahweh)

I believe that you did not intend to insult T's religion.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Keep in mind...
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1924: Antireligious Propaganda


Subject essay: James von Geldern

Among the most important tasks that the Bolsheviks set themselves upon coming to power in 1917 was to emancipate Soviet citizens from the scourge (or as Karl Marx put it, the "opiate") of religion. Along with the literacy campaign with which it was intimately connected, antireligious propaganda was a key component of the "cultural front" during the 1920s. A protracted affair, the struggle against religion was complicated by the difficulty of defining goals as much as working out how to achieve them.

The decree of January 20, 1918 that disestablished the Orthodox Church and consigned the clergy of all faiths to second-class citizenship (along with capitalists, merchants, former members of the police, criminals, and "imbeciles") set the stage for years of bitter and often violent struggle that included the closing of many churches, the confiscation of church valuables, the arrest of the Patriarch Tikhon, and the execution of priests suspected of aiding the counter-revolutionary Whites. With the end of the civil war, the party and state shifted gears, launching a broad, systematic propaganda campaign that targeted popular religious belief. The Komsomol Christmas of January 6, 1923, replete with carnival-like processions of students and working-class youth dressing as clowns, singing the "Internationale," and burning effigies of religious "cult" figures, was an early indication of the shift. But its mischievousness sufficiently outraged the sensibilities of believers and non-believers alike to provoke the party's Central Committee to "recommend" that the forthcoming Komsomol Easter restrict itself to lectures, movies and plays. This less confrontational approach was endorsed by the Twelfth Party Congress (April 1923) which called for the training of anti-religious propagandists, the publication of scientific and popular literature on the origins and class nature of religion, and the improvement of political educational methods in rural-based reading rooms.

Bolshevik policies targeted at the Russian Orthodox Church were applied to non-Russian populations with mixed results. Jews and Catholics of the Ukrainian and Belorussian regions often saw little difference between Communists and tsarist authorities, who had been hostile to their churches for very different reasons. Bolshevik propaganda proved particularly inappropriate for the many communities of Islam located throughout the RSFSR and Central Asia. There were attempts to accommodate the special needs of that community, but they were few, and were overwhelmed by the forces of radicalization. By 1924 an Antireligious Commission had been set up by the Central Committee, and a newspaper, Bezbozhnik (The Godless) had begun to appear. In August 1924 the call by Emelian Iaroslavskii, a prominent Bolshevik, for a national organization of atheists was realized with the formation of a Society of Friends of the Newspaper Bezbozhnik. Less than a year later, in April 1925, a congress of Bezbozhnik correspondents and Society members met in Moscow to establish the All-Union League of the Godless under the leadership of Iaroslavskii. Aside from publishing newspapers and journals, the League sponsored museums of atheism, anti-religious exhibitions and lectures. The notion that exposure to rationalist explanations of natural phenomena, the wonders of applied science, and ethical, clean-living atheists would demystify religion guided the efforts of the League -- at least until 1929 when it added "Militant" to its name in accordance with a more direct assault on religion reminiscent of the civil war years.

http://www.soviethistory.org/index.php? ... avi=byYear

[Anonymous]

Nothing but silence from timmy now, what has happened to his big mouth?