TiU Radio - 11th Aug 2008 Guest Daryl Bradford Smith

[Ognir]

http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... 0Smith.mp3

Many topics discussed :

Russia / Georgia
and of course the Israeli connection

World Financial Markets

Prothink & John

New Radio show from South Africa

and a lot more

Enjoy

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[MikeWB]

Awesome!!!

[AK3N470N]

This should be GOOD. Will give my response after I listen.

[Ognir]

Please do

[joeblow]

Uploaded to ConCen and The Pirate Bay with DHT! A very special broadcast with DBS that includes a discussion about economy, movement news, and much more.

[blueocean]

Great Audio file Ognir!  


Great points made.

We Have come a long way winning over the internetpublic, we are now at a crucial moment to start winning over the rest!


If we do this right the outcome will be very positive

[Anonymous]

Great Audio file Ognir!  


Great points made.

We Have come a long way winning over the internetpublic, we are now at a crucial moment to start winning over the rest!


If we do this right the outcome will be very positive

Sadly this is just a first step on a long journey. Educating is very important, but their are many other steps that need to be taken.

[AK3N470N]

Good interview. There wasn't much said that I wasn't expecting and as Og said, the story has been told already. DBS' response to Mike and John was what I was expecting him to say.

This is a question in regards to what DBS said but it is also directed at everyone so feel free to give your input. I stated this in the last thread about DBS, but if this can be solved non-violently could people please start stating some effective means of doing such a task. DBS says the solution is to "inform people" which leads me to believe we haven't been doing that up till this point as it's the only thing to stop this thing in a non-violent manner. Other people I have "truthed" with love to hold signs and make lots of nose and go so far as to get in a cops face and annoy him and then cry when the cops spray the crowd with gas. This is of course taped and then gives the image of a "police state" which would conclude violently. However, these protesters just sit there as they are being attacked and say things like "stop it, why are you doing this?" etc. All in all, this type of "action" does nothing.

Another thing about the method of "informing people" is that when you go up to random people and try to inform them about "criminal Zionism" some may not even know what Zionism is. I've had this happen to me. When you explain further they call you an anti-Semite. DBS isn't anti-Semitic by his standards and only hates the criminals. The problem with that statement is that the criminals he hates are Jews. So, DBS hates Jews... he just hasn't admitted it to himself yet. There is a difference between hating Jews and hating all Jews. If you are going to be called an anti-Semite for blasting Zionism, you may as well just tell the full story about Talmudic Judaism or the Jewish mob (whatever) and be done with it. Or better yet, form something now with the people who are in the know (advanced truth seeker) that are close by you. When things get really bad and the general public is looking for places to go or people to blame, then you can "inform people".

I found John's newest video to be quite powerful. I'm just not sure about that Rogue Militia or who they are. If this financial mess is like DBS says, how will the internet run if everybody is broke and money no longer exists? If that is really the case, how will people hear DBS' new audio files anyways?

Furthermore, if America already has a list of domestic terrorists and legislation ready to go for domestic terrorists what are the people on this list supposed to do. Should they sit around and "inform people" peacefully until they are scooped up in the night, or should they get themselves ready so that their enemy is more on the defensive. You are going to be called a domestic terrorist regardless, just like you will be called an anti-Semite regardless so if it is your right to bare arms... I say go hard or go home. Or go to a camp and be tortured, or maybe you can hide behind a wall like Anne Frank.

This thing is coming to a head like DBS said. They are in their final plans like DBS said. Financial meltdown = no money and that may equal no internet. This is when the thugs will come for people. This is why the people should be ready. So if you are bad mouthing the Americans for forming a Militia, give a better solution that you can think of.

We are the people this elite depends on to survive. We give them shelter, electricity, plumbing etc but we can't expect the whole general public to wake up to Talmudic Judaism. So if we are all on a list and they are going to come for us, may we go out with a big bang.

AK3N470N

[TriWooOx]

Will try and give this a listen this week... keep the good work up og

[sirbadman]

Great work. Ognir - you do a good job with your shows. I saw John's militia vid the other day. I'm really glad you brought it up. I looked over at prothink's youtube account afterwards and he has a photo of himself like a militia guy with his face covered.

John's vid was very interesting - they all are, but he has really put his underpants up on the flagpole now.

He cannot claim to be against guerilla resistance type stuff anymore.

While it is all very brave to make such announcements, it's hardly very smart at all. I think John could be good intentioned but maybe he should start taking stock of some of the feedback contained in the show.

He is making himself a big target and anyone associated with him a target also. I don't think the sons of liberty back in the day were acting like the town crier.

All this talk of fighting to the death and the like is stupid. I guess this is what happens when you are bombarded with ridiculous action sequences from the television set. What a juvenile comment about the tiger, I mean what kind of BS macho posturing is this anyway?

An information-based approach is more effective. If you get the right info inside the heads of soldiers and police they will soon realise who their real enemies are. There will have to be violence to have any major change in the control grid but you dont kick that off when at least 90% of the population dont know anything about zionist topics or anything about who is really pulling the strings.

As far as John being an agent provacateur, if I put my cynic's hat on, well, it does seem to conveniently fit in with the BS Homegrown terrorism laws in USA. Imagine getting the whole antizionist "informed" community branded as terrorists because a small minority want to pretend they have a chance against the US military with their light firearms and army pants?

[Abdul Jabaar]

"What a juvenile comment about the tiger, I mean what kind of BS macho posturing is this anyway?" What? Pardon? Again? Why is it juvenile? Why is it macho? Surely John is simply stating that if he or his loved ones are agressed against EXPECT a fight. And what exactly is the problem with that. I think there is far too much emotion involved here and not enough reason. Think, before you speak! Please. And whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty! If you think John is some son of Satan, either backup your statements with PROOF or shutup! Daryl has had hunches before and he has not always been 100% correct. I need more than just a hunch before I go accusing somebody like Daryl has done. I need some EVIDENCE. thankyou. Peace, AJ.

[Ognir]

Peace AJ

[mobes]

2 reasons for the precious metals and commodities falling:

1. The Central  Banks around the world were forced to buy US dollars to keep the world's financial system afloat, this is the "rise in the bear market".

2. Margin calls were so severe that investors had to liquidate some assets for immediate capital to cover the loans, so they liquidated the precious metals and commodities.

[AK3N470N]

Some of you may have not watched the video correctly. It is no longer up on youtube as John must have taken it down but I still have a copy of it. He was reading an open letter from some Rogue Nation Militia, a sniper to be exact. So the comment about the tiger would be coming from this sniper. My concern is that I had never heard of this Militia before this video. The sniper goes by the name LONE WOLF but that doesn't get me anywhere either.

I think people just want to bash John for the sake of it. Especially with the church of Satan comments that are still going on. DBS may say he's not an anti-Semite (word is useless in my world) but a lot of his comments are very "anti-Semitic". If you listen to his audio file from Dec 05 2007 he starts listing all the Jews known in the Bush admin calling them all criminals. Most are but to say they are criminals just because they are Jews is like saying Jews can't hold place in office which is in fact "anti-Semitic". DBS tries to damage control this way too much and just needs to say what he truly wants to say.

[Abdul Jabaar]

I would say that if you take what Daryl has said as a whole it is pretty clear where he stands on racism. He has made it perfectly clear on many an occasion. Remember not all of us are old timers! Also clear is that he believes in being careful to discriminate in this fight against criminal Zionism. And in fact his site includes the work of Jews like Benjamin Freedman and his like who have themselves been Anti Zionist. Also he has been careful to discriminate the various groups and sects that exist inside of Judaism. The fact that the Zionists are so much into theatre does not help. Indeed I think I have seen evidence to show where different Jewish groups appear to differ on an issue but in reality do not. I think none of those who are aware of the realities of the history of Zionism would be surprised by that. However this does not mean that differences do not exist. They clearly do! Peace, AJ.

[Travis]

I think this is the start of something very dangerous and harmful. Many people here have a belief that Zionist Jews are responsible for many wicked incidents that have occurred in the world, and they, Zionist Jews, are attempting to create a world order in which they will enslave man kind. To a large degree the information on these issues is suppressed, and many people here and on other sites are trying to get the information out in the hope that it will bring change. However, the concept of creating armed groups to fight these 'Zionist'  criminals and then advertising it on the Internet will undermine all efforts to get vital information out. Violence and terrorism will be associated with anti-Zionism the same way violence and terrorism has become associated with Islam. In a nutshell, whoever is against Zionism may also be associated with terrorism, or radical Militia groups.

Even though I would not call John or Mike undercover agents who attempting to undermine this 'movement' I do believe what they have done has put us all at risk. I think it is wrong for DBS to label John a asset of the other side without any clear evidence. It is possible what John is doing, is with good intention, but as I have said it is putting us all at risk.

What John and Mike do in there own time is down to them but the minute they mix it with this message it affects us all.

[sirbadman]

Way to go Abdul, tell me to shut up in a forum and sign it off with a "peace". I didnt say he was a son of satan. Maybe you should read my previous comment again and listen to the show again without getting all emotional. There is no doubt that John would attract unwanted attention with what he is doing. His actions are provoking and inviting a forceful response.

Akon or whatever, I wrote John "announced" - who cares if he didnt write it? If he is reading this comment from whatever militia "sniper" to the camera in a video he obviously has the same sentiment.

If John was talking in arabic, and if the guys in the background were carrying a couple of swords, you might think you were watching some kind of arabian "terrorist organisation" video you would see from a mainstream television news report.

[Abdul Jabaar]

In terms of telling persons to shut up I think you possibly got the wrong end of the stick Sirbadman. When I used the word "you", it meant ANY person making accusations like the ones on the show without sufficient evidence would be better off not saying anything at all. And the fact that somebody was previously involved in an organisation like the Church of Satan is not evidence that they are up to no good. If this had not been implied why bother mention it? Is the fact that Benjamin Freedman previously being a Zionist reason to suspect his change of heart. Should not we judge the man according to his works? Why the difference with John. And even if the recent video is a problem which I do not believe it is; at least John has the guts not to hide behind Arab dress! Peace, AJ.

[Ognir]

John pulled the video to make some corrections, to clarify a bit

[blueocean]

on the khanverse forum AIG wrote: "In my view, John, from my limited knowledge about him, has not undergone any such fundamental transformation to allow me to trust all of his intentions and motivations and overlook the strong Jewish Satanist element of his background."


Whereas benjamin freedman did make a fundamental transformation, I think that for the moment John's transformation is incomplete.

He is free to follow his own path and so are others.

[Anonymous]

Whereas benjamin freedman did make a fundamental transformation, I think that for the moment John's transformation is incomplete.

How do you determine someones "transformation" being effectively completed as affirmative or negative?  Please explain this.

Peace.

[blueocean]

How do you determine someones "transformation" being effectively completed as affirmative or negative? Please explain this.

Good question azixx.


If I only focus on John, for determining freedman's transformation is from a distance and from a distance giving the good work he has been doing to wake all of us up he seems to have made a good transformation.

so only focusing on John I see some indications that he hasn't: 1 given his words he still follows talmudic kabbalic Satanism or is at least swayed by it's ideas.

2 from what I can tell he has been unwilling to take a step  back and really look at the skeletons of that belief/phylosophy, and say to himself and others: "Mmmm maybe I need to reconsider some aspects/beliefs of it especially given the close ties of this belief to talmudic kabbalism and the elite 'jews' .

3 Satanism per my view is an 'outlaw' religion which works as as an 'opposame'  to oppressive tyrannical religion.  John clearly is an outlaw, which can be good or bad it all depends, also given his steps towards setting up a separate militia compound and followers and distinguishing himself from the weaklings who are too afraid to use volence against the 'jews'.

4 This is pretty much elitist behaviour.  I think such an elitist behaviour hardly ever leads to real re-considering of past or present beliefs/ways.


these are a couple of points.  

[Anonymous]

However, the concept of creating armed groups to fight these 'Zionist' criminals and then advertising it on the Internet will undermine all efforts to get vital information out. Violence and terrorism will be associated with anti-Zionism the same way violence and terrorism has become associated with Islam. In a nutshell, whoever is against Zionism may also be associated with terrorism, or radical Militia groups.

You are kidding right? The second amendment in this country clearly states the right to guns and militias so I don't see what people's problem are by stating you support that and if you have domestic criminals in your midst that you will defend your nation against them. No one in militias is stating they will preemptively attack while things are still calm and we can still fight the infowar. If that was our stance then we certainly wouldn't be wasting our time making a full length movie at our own time and expense which the likes of all of all the naysayers, including DBS, certainly AREN'T doing. Thanks for your dedication and hard work to put out what John and I have done. I think it needs to be said that unless you offer better solutions to what is INEVITABLY coming then the unless criticism is void. This goes without saying that I was tired of crying like a bitch about what these shills were doing by creating all these shill 9/11 movies so instead of bitching we are offering a solution. How about some of you do something productive because as I see it you are only hurting some of the very people who are fighting the hardest in here. And on a side note I really hope that DBS has the sense to back off with his very irrational and delusional accusations because I still support his 'work' and would hate to lesson his creditability with the very small number of people we have around at this point. He has attacked me now once and at this point I wont stoop to his level because it is counterproductive and we don't need any more soap operas going on. But let it be known that I don't tolerate as BS. I can understand him wanting to distance himself from us and that is fine but all he needs to say is that he doesn't support the direction we are taking. As for the rest of you, if you don't like what me and John are doing then put in the work to start your own website, do your own interviews, make your own videos and movies, spend all your own time and money putting out work to make sure people receive the vision you want to promote. Otherwise ignore Prothink.org and forcemultiplication.com.

Thanks to those who have stuck by and supported me and that when have a problem with me contact me privately and discuss concerns because I am always open eared and listening to people concerns so that I may stay on the proper direction.

No hard feelings to anybody and I do completely understand the point being made and therefore have taken heed to this and discussed with John that we shall back off the militant stance until this movie has made its rounds to people. Like I said, I cant see a vision where we will peacefully win this fight. These people aren't just going to come walking out of their positions in media, govs, banks, etc and hold up a white saying "Ok, I quit! All your talking on these forums has beat us!" Lets get real here.

[blueocean]

Yo Mike,

some words of advice:  Make sure that all that you do and your militia does is Completely within the grounds of the US constitution and the Bill of rights and Also ADVERTISE and bring it THAT way.


1 That you have the Right to DEFEND your Rights and Freedom from all enemies foreign and at Home.

2 Clearly show that in current society there is a malicious group of Zionist Talmudic Jews mainly but others also that are in VIOLATION of That Constitution and these rights.

3 Be open and clear (so no more Osama type videos).  Use the early Prothink Style that was so EFFECTIVE!!!  (I mean why the fuck change that effective prothink style with shady UN-prothink like videos?  :? )

4 etc. etc.

[LatinAmericanview]

I think this gentleman has some very interesting insights.  Please note: I am not white and neither is Mr. Savage; however, we are interested in working solutions.  Prothink and John- please listen if you are not already familiar.
http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savag ... carthy.mp3

[Abdul Jabaar]

Ognir - You mention John's making some"corrections" to the video. Is he thinking of substituting the guns for swords?  :lol: Forgive me for my humour when we are dealing with a serious subject.

[kolnidre]

I think this gentleman has some very interesting insights.  Please note: I am not white and neither is Mr. Savage; however, we are interested in working solutions.  Prothink and John- please listen if you are not already familiar.
http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savag ... carthy.mp3

LAV, that link ain't workin' for me. Hasn't worked for over a day now.

[Anonymous]

LAV, that link ain't workin' for me. Hasn't worked for over a day now.

http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savage/rockwell/rockwellstoryaboutmccarthy.mp3

[blueocean]

I think this gentleman has some very interesting insights.  Please note: I am not white and neither is Mr. Savage; however, we are interested in working solutions.  Prothink and John- please listen if you are not already familiar.
http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savag ... carthy.mp3

Thanks for the link LAV.

Couple of points: 1 making a disclaimer that you and savage are NOT white is very very strange......

a: why would one make such a disclaimer in the first place?

b: second I think you and mr. savage actually ARE white. Nothing to be ashamed for fellas!

[Travis]

Prothink said

You are kidding right? The second amendment in this country clearly states the right to guns and militias so I don't see what people's problem are by stating you support that and if you have domestic criminals in your midst that you will defend your nation against them.

You are kidding right? Prothink, you and John have openly called for people to fight against the current US government and their Zionist masters. Its not like you are forming a group to fight against Al-Qaedah , you are calling people to take arms against the government and then advertising on the net.

I think it needs to be said that unless you offer better solutions to what is INEVITABLY coming then the unless criticism is void.

It does not like work like that. If you want to get to New York but the road you take will lead you to Arizona and I know that, I can inform you that you are taking the wrong road even though I do not know which road takes you to New York. All I am saying is the method you have taken and the way you are presenting it will be counterproductive.

 I am just trying to point out a fatal error you have made in the hope you will correct it.