TiU Radio 4th Of Feb 2013 - What is the Truth Movement? (MP3)

[Ognir]

TiU Radio
http://www.TheInfoUnderground.com
Recorded 4th Feb 2013

So where is the truth(s) movement?
40 minutes

http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... vement.MP3

[maz]

Ok

[Ognir]

Finally have access to my own site

[michaelangelo]

Thanks for the interesting audio Ognir. You mentioned C.I. What's that ?.

[Ognir]

Ask Lindsey, joking

Christian Identity, of course the adl have their version http://archive.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Chr ... ristian_ID :lol:

[Christopher Marlowe]

Good show Ognir...
Feedback...

CI is an offshoot of Christianity that puts its emphasis in the wrong place: whiteness. I don't buy it mainly because there is zero textual support, and I don't know of any early Church fathers who felt this way.  The good part about CI is that they are not afraid to talk about the Juice. Personally, I can't see being white as a prerequisite to being saved. I have known far too many good and holy black people, and Mexicans, and Asians, etc...

Truth Movement: I think this is as good a name as any. People in this movement want to know the Truth, and they want to be able to freely discuss the Truth.  There is a lot of negative publicity regarding this name, but I feel that this comes from the disinfo shills (fatboy, marked dice, etc...) and the overly creative types, who are better at imagining things than figuring them out.  The overly creative types buy into the disinfo too readily and propagate it.  

Sandy Hook is a psyop. There's been far too much coincidence, and greenscreen and photoshopping for it to have been real. Mark Glenn and CSR are afraid of getting stung on a tricky double-reverse psy-op that pretends to be a psy-op and then reveals the truth that discredits the "Truth Movement". Of course, at this point, whatever there is to be said of that movement, it would surely be discredited regardless of what Glen and CSR do. I remember people were afraid to say that no plane hit the pentagon because the perps would roll out the footage.  10 years later, and still no footage. That's cause no plane hit the pentagon.

I wouldn't mind doing a radio show sometime.  I don't know how that would work out because you are in Switzerland and I am in California.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Great show Ognir.  It was good to hear it.

Good show Ognir...
Feedback...

CI is an offshoot of Christianity that puts its emphasis in the wrong place: whiteness. I don't buy it mainly because there is zero textual support, and I don't know of any early Church fathers who felt this way.  The good part about CI is that they are not afraid to talk about the Juice. Personally, I can't see being white as a prerequisite to being saved. I have known far too many good and holy black people, and Mexicans, and Asians, etc...

Truth Movement: I think this is as good a name as any. People in this movement want to know the Truth, and they want to be able to freely discuss the Truth.  There is a lot of negative publicity regarding this name, but I feel that this comes from the disinfo shills (fatboy, marked dice, etc...) and the overly creative types, who are better at imagining things than figuring them out.  The overly creative types buy into the disinfo too readily and propagate it.  

Sandy Hook is a psyop. There's been far too much coincidence, and greenscreen and photoshopping for it to have been real. Mark Glenn and CSR are afraid of getting stung on a tricky double-reverse psy-op that pretends to be a psy-op and then reveals the truth that discredits the "Truth Movement". Of course, at this point, whatever there is to be said of that movement, it would surely be discredited regardless of what Glen and CSR do. I remember people were afraid to say that no plane hit the pentagon because the perps would roll out the footage.  10 years later, and still no footage. That's cause no plane hit the pentagon.

I wouldn't mind doing a radio show sometime.  I don't know how that would work out because you are in Switzerland and I am in California.

Good post CM.  I'm actually waiting until the 90-day freeze is up on the evidence before making a solid judgement.  More pics and evidence should come out in March.

 There are suspicious and unexplainable things about Sandy Hook but I'm holding judgement until I see more evidence.    The Batman-Aurora shooting wasn't fake AFAICT. More evidence has come out about it and, yes, it does look like the crazy kid Holmes did the crime/massacre in that one (like Loughner).  These young distrubed men killing people doesn't seem that directly "Jew" orchestrated  IMHO.  The political aftermath of the killings is Jew orchestrated -- as is the TV coverage that's the only thing I know for certain at this point.   I don't treat much of anything from the "truth camp" on YouTube as "solid" in my book on this and most of stuff I've looked at doesn't look that credible IMHO. Basically, I'm not convinced yet on this one.    I just think it is obvious that the anti-gun Jew Govt. probably just had to sit and wait for some major tragedy to go down before pushing anti-gun legislation on national Television,  which of course they did. They also needed some crappy Shabbos Goy personalities like J'bama and Piers Morgan (both not Americans) to do the TV rounds for their agenda -- which happened. The Jews want to disarm everyone. They didn't need to cause this directly... they just needed to sit back and let their Talmudic trash build up until it trashed up some people's "reality".  Sooner or later crazy massacres will happen on their own with all the Jew media "crap" around. The agenda for disarmament is completely a Jewish agenda... always has been, and legal J-Tribers probably just dusted off the papers to get this anti-gun agenda going.  They do fear the Goyim mob, armed and dangerous coming to overthrow their idiocy and coming to take back their money from them after all the Jew scams get fully blown open as basic theft.  So, the scam is people getting duped into letting legislation get passed to take guns away.

Like the election of J'bama -- just a continuous, on-going Jew scam non-stop.   Who's in jail after documented J-Tribe crimes? Nobody.

[LordLindsey]

319 Views, and no telling how many more people have heard you via Mr. Grizzom's site, Noel.  That should tell you how valuable what you have to say is to people.  It was a great show, as always.

Lindsey

NB:  You were wrong about what you said at the end of the show, for-the-record.  The efforts that people had made to get Mike to make ZionCrimeFactory operational again were NOT for nothing, and it shows what can happen when people are made to see what is best for the movement as a whole, instead of stewing-in-anger forever.  It is in EVERYONE'S best interest that http://www.zioncrimefactory.com remains available, and it is.

[Christopher Marlowe]

CSR- I just wanted to say that I respect your opinion, even when I think you are wrong...

There are suspicious and unexplainable things about Sandy Hook but I'm holding judgement until I see more evidence. The Batman-Aurora shooting wasn't fake AFAICT. [A FACT?] More evidence has come out about it and, yes, it does look like the crazy kid Holmes did the crime/massacre in that one (like Loughner).

Even if people were killed in Aurora, did you not find it suspicious that Holmes was "found" in his car? And that there was evidence of more than one shooter? And that Holmes spent hours or days wiring his apartment to explode, and then warned detectives that he had done this?  

In any case, Aurora and Sandy Hook are separate incidents.

Perhaps you are right to wait until the 90 day freeze is up. But WTH is up with that freeze in the first place?  
And what do you say about "Sandy Hook" in the batman movie?
And the green screen and other fabrications of video that was supposedly shot on Dec 14th? Are we to believe that the shooting just occurred, and then DHS went into fabrication mode?  
And if a random family happened to have a son who went batsh*t crazy and shot up a bunch of people, would they also just have all of their internet records disappear all of a sudden?
Would memorial sites just happen to have creation dates BEFORE the shooting? W
ould 2 similar DHS drills just happen to occur at the same time 30 minutes away?  
What are the odds?  
I'm going to shut up now because I'm hijacking the thread...

[Ognir]

CM look me up on Skype (ognir3)

[memory hole]

Thanks for the audio Ognir, great to see you back on the air.

I agree with CSR I have no idea about Sandy Hook and am withholding any judgement, there certainly is a lot of nonsense out there about it,

 its twisted my head inside out after looking at all of the info, I'm none the wiser.

[Michael K.]

Thanks for doing another show. I'm sure you pose the crucial question, "what movement?"  I'm not qualified to say what means what, but I agreed with old TF to the bandwagon of "theological anti-Judaism" alone.  But I think the whole race movement, while a real phenomenon, is not going to save people from falling to most if not all the sins the Jews have succumbed to, themselves.  That excessive race consciousness (and also gold consciousness) is quite potentially demonic is a real concern.  I want people to be aware of the possibility that evil forces have a plan for harnessing the anger, created by the antagonism of races by policy and judicial caprice.

If it's an object lesson sort of thing, then they are exacerbating racial tensions to a kill or be killed level, virtually assuring that most minorities would statistically get wiped out.  If whites were a minority, then they might.  But right now, in America, that can not be said; and if it comes soon, the end could be very racial looking.  If we only look at our brothers' evil, we are unable to repent from our own.  If we believe in our flesh having a divine mandate, what is left for after death? And nobody can call their own flesh more good than anyone else, if it doesn't possess any wisdom or love.

So I believe that the whole racial thing, while so real you can bounce a quarter off it, is a representation of something broken in everybody, a lacking trust based in real past events.  What can anyone do about how they were born, ultimately?  Why?  Don't focus on race for moral guidance, focus on right and wrong.  No one brings any credit to their race by being evil, and everyone has failed to be perfectly good.  I say let races be humbly accepted natural states and no more.

[FrankDialogue]

TiU Radio
http://www.TheInfoUnderground.com
Recorded 4th Feb 2013

So where is the truth(s) movement?
40 minutes

http://theinfounderground.com/archives/ ... vement.MP3

I listened to your radio program last night and quite enjoyed it: It was like listening to an articulate regular at a friendly pub...You have a good voice, and I liked the reasonable tone of the program.

I will tell a little story of my contact with the 911 'truth movement' here in Philadelphia.

I am not generally attracted to political movements because the spivs generally always push to the leading roles, and then it becomes a matter of their trying to PREVENT YOU from encroaching on their control.

In any case, through 2009-11, I spent a lot of time playing music on the street in Philadelphia...I've been a musician for 30 years, and while in the past my city had numerous clubs were one could always get a gig, the Internet, the eKonomy, and the yuppie mentality have destroyed all the clubs/pubs that would have live music, so, kind of accidentally, I took my music to the street...The experience was amazingly good: I managed to supplement my income, reach out to an audience that wouldn't or couldn't come to the clubs anymore, and sell hundreds of recordings.

Now we have a historic section of Philadelphia called 'Old City' where there are many galleries and bars.restaurants, and on the first Friday of every month they have a kind of 'open house' where all the galleries are open, they have 'wine & cheese', you know...I used to do quite well playing at these events.

Now, on my guitar case I have an 'InfoWars' sticker, which was included when I purchased an AJ video about a decade ago...So after I finish one Friday night, a young man comes up to me, complimenting my music, then points at the sticker on my case and asks what I think of '911 Truth'...He was a nice young man so I tell him 'Well, it was a government run job, but foreign entities were also involved'.

He then tells me that he is the leader of a Philadelphia 911 group which meets twice a month, and invites me to a meeting, and wants me to play my guitar also...So I say 'Sure, that might be OK'.

Then asks me again what I think happened on that day...I say 'Well, politically I think that the US government and the Zionist Jews, or neo-cons, collaborated to start some wars in the Middle East, to collect insurance money on the WTC, to manipulate certain financial markets and to destroy records', mentioning WTC 7...I also tell him that one of the Jews who signed the PNAC document, and became Bush's 'national security advisor', was in my high school history class...He laughs some more.

He say 'Well, Frank you are well past 90% of the people in our group on the subject, but still, you might like to come...Only one thing: You can't talk about the Jews'.

I say 'Well, why not?...This is a truth movement, yeah?'

He say 'Well, we have Jewish members in the group, and it would cause dissension'.

This time I laugh as I gathered up my equipment...I say 'OK, sure, I understand your SITUATION'.

We chit chat a bit more, then I have to go and get on the subway (Metro)...I tell him I would try to make a meeting and we say 'Good night'.

Of course, I never went.  

[StillLatin]

Ok

Hello Og!
I see you are still fighting a good fight. I though your question about what is the truth movement was rather salient. I would to answer that question in private. I will  ask a question of my own. What would a unified conspiracy movement look like?