Defeating Zionism using the US Constitution

Started by yankeedoodle, September 28, 2013, 05:42:35 PM

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yankeedoodle

Circa June `12, 2008, the US Supreme Court granted constitutional protections to the victims in Guantanamo.  What precedent was set?  The precedent is this: the extraterritorial extension of the protections of the Constitution.  Why is this important in the fight against Zionism?  If constitutional protections can be extraterritorial, then, logically, so can be the limitations of the Constitution.  What does that mean?  That means no US government money for the Jewish State of Israel, because the First Amendment prohibits the establishment of religion.  Here is a constitutional questionnaire that explains my thinking:

                                                                                CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONNAIRE

Q: Can there be a Christian State of Alabama created and supported by US government money and other aid?
A:  No.  The First Amendment prohibits it.

Q:  Can there be a Jewish State of Israel created and supported by US government money and other aid?
A:  I don't know if there can be, but there sure as hell is one.

Q:  What is the difference between a theoretical Christian State of Alabama and the Jewish State of Israel?
A:  Israel is outside the territorial United States.

Q:  But, for American Jews, is there any real difference between Israel being in the United States or outside the United States?   Isn't Israel just an extraterritorial religious enclave for American Jews?  Something like flying to Hawaii? 
A:  Hmmm.....explain further, please.

Q:  Can an American Jew - by virtue of the "automatic right of return"  - travel to the Jewish State of Israel as freely as could an American travel to a theoretical Christian State of Alabama?
A:  Yes, I think so.

Q:  Can an American Jew - by virtue of the "automatic right of return" - vote in the Jewish State of Israel as freely as could an American Christian vote in a theoretical Christian State of Alabama?
A:  Yes, I think so.

Q:  Is an American Jew - by virtue of the "automatic right of return" - even though they may be born in the United States, automatically entitled to citizenship in the Jewish State of Israel?
A:  Yes, I think so.

Q:  Does the Jewish State of Israel receive money and other aid from the US government.
A:  It sure as hell does.

Q:  Would the theoretical Christian State of Alabama receive US government money and other aid?
A:  No, because it is prevented by the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

Q:  So, what is the difference between the Jewish State of Israel and the theoretical Christian State of Alabama?
A:  Nothing, really, except the former exists and is outside the US - like Guantanamo - and the latter is only theoretical because it would be inside the US and the First Amendment of the US Constitution prevents its existence.

Q:  Isn't the Jewish State of Israel just an extraterritorial religious enclave - like flying to Hawaii - established and maintained by the US government for a small percentage of American citizens, i.e. American Jews?
A: It sure as hell seems that way.

Q:  Is that fair?
A:  No.

Q:  Is that right?
A:  No.

Q:  Are you mad about it?
A:  Hell, yes.

Q:  What do you think should be done about it?
A:  Make US government support for the Jewish State of Israel unconstitutional, just like the theoretical Christian State of Alabama?

Q:  How can this be done?
A:  Using the precedent set circa June 12, 2008, when the Supreme Court ruled that the protection of the Sixth Amendment (habeas corpus) extended extraterritorially to prisoners on Guantanamo.  Logically - assuming there is logic in the law - if the protections of the Sixth Amendment are extraterritorial, then so should be the limitations of the First Amendment.

This idea came to me shortly after the Supreme Court decision, and I have shared it with people on our side, including a former Middle East ambassador, a former CIA agent, and Jewish activists against Israeli hegemony, and there was interest. 

The problem is how to put this idea into action.  Obviously, what is needed is a new Madelyn Murray O'Hare - a Jewish one - who is willing to devote - and perhaps risk - her life.  And, of course, it could be a man, also.

It has been suggest that this idea be prepared as an educational video that could be widely disseminated. 

Any ideas out there?  Anybody know anybody who can do anything?  Unfortunately, I am not able to do anything except come up with ideas, and I think this is a hell of a good one?  What do you think.




Christopher Marlowe

The problem will be standing, i.e. who has legal standing to make a 1st amendment challenge on the money sent to israhell?
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Quote from: yankeedoodle on September 28, 2013, 05:42:35 PM
Circa June `12, 2008, the US Supreme Court granted constitutional protections to the victims in Guantanamo.   
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What do you think.[?]

Well, anything is worth a try, at this pt., but it would otherwise seem not so practical or likely, given the usual problems and circumstances, and  I refer back to my analysis given at reply # 17 at http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=19382.msg76723#new.