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Ognir

#60
May 05, 2015, 06:23:33 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

rmstock

#61
May 10, 2015, 12:17:05 AM

``I hope that the fair, and, I may say certain prospects of success will not induce us to relax.''
-- Lieutenant General George Washington, commander-in-chief to
   Major General Israel Putnam,
   Head-Quarters, Valley Forge, 5 May, 1778

Ognir

#62
May 19, 2015, 02:54:49 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

yankeedoodle

#63
May 20, 2015, 07:14:42 PM


How's this for a mug shot?  Biker gang members arrested after shoot-out in Waco, Texas.

Ognir

#64
May 30, 2015, 02:36:02 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#65
May 30, 2015, 03:04:49 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#66
May 31, 2015, 05:03:41 AM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

yankeedoodle

#67
June 02, 2015, 09:49:18 AM


Run - it's the pigs! Hog on the run gets ride in police car, defecates on back seat
http://rt.com/usa/264137-us-pig-run-police/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Ognir

#68
June 02, 2015, 03:33:47 PM
 <lol> yeah saw that yesterday, car looked great afterwards
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#69
June 02, 2015, 06:28:55 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#70
June 03, 2015, 01:44:40 AM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#71
June 07, 2015, 04:10:44 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#72
June 08, 2015, 04:03:45 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

apollonian

#73
June 08, 2015, 04:15:33 PM Last Edit: June 08, 2015, 04:18:42 PM by apollonian
Quote from: Ognir on May 05, 2015, 06:23:33 PM


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I submit this picture's msg is purest balderdash as (a) there is no such thing as being "good" as in "good person."  All "good person" means is "useful" to some particular individual.  Hence "good" to Jews is subjective and different for "good" for Palestinians.

(b) For there is no such thing as "good" in a determined universe in accord w. absolute cause-effect.

(c) And note Christianity reflects this determinist philosophy by means of doctrine of sin, by which we're all sinners needing God's grace and mercy for salvation.

(d) "Good" is the foundation of Pharisaism which is WORST ENEMY of Christian truth (Gosp. JOHN 14:6) founded in the objective, hence determined reality.

(e) Any fool should be able to notice "how u treat others" is SUBJECTIVE.

Michael K.

#74
June 09, 2015, 12:12:56 AM
The above is restatement of the New Testament law, the Golden Rule:  do unto others as you would have others do unto you.  A paraphrase of the statement above might be, 'being good is not a state of being a member of a group, but one of doing good to your fellow human being.'

Another, humorous paraphrase might be:  'being good is not about being born a Jew and having your peepee cut a certain way, but it is about loving your neighbor.' Which is the New Testament way of seeing it.

As for the proposition that there is no such thing as good in a determined universe, you would first have to establish that this is in fact a determined universe.  The existence of free will seems to contradict this assumption.

Sin would not have any meaningful difference from righteousness were it not for man's implicit ability to choose between the two.  All are sinners, yes.  But whether nothing can change who gets saved is the questions of predestination, which is part of the Western schismatic heresy.

http://orthodoxyinfo.org/AzkoulFreeWill.htm

' St. John of Damascus, that God "know all things beforehand, but He does not predetennine them. Although He knows what is in our power, He does not predetennine it" (De Fid. Orth.. II, 30). Man is free because he was created in "the image of God."

'More than these, as St. Paul asserts, nature herself teaches us about God (Rom. 1); or, as as St. John ofDamascus says (De Fid. Orth. 1,2), the knowledge of God is implanted in us by nature. And knowing God, even in a limited way, none may say that it is impossible for him to turn to God.'

That the objective reality is determined without free will entering into it is not self evident, since free will and personal choice shape the objective reality we witness around us.

Any fool who reads the New Testament can see that how you treat others is the sole measure by which Christ judges the individual's salvation or damnation (Matthew 24).  Therefore one contradicts the authority of Christ God to diminish the importance of how one treats his neighbor.


apollonian

#75
June 09, 2015, 12:37:44 AM
Quote from: Michael K. on June 09, 2015, 12:12:56 AM
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That the objective reality is determined without free will entering into it is not self evident, since free will and personal choice shape the objective reality we witness around us.

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Above quote is false and contradictory: objectivity entails absolute cause-effect, hence determinism, PERIOD.

And there is no perfectly "free" human will; only God's will is perfectly free, by definition.

Finally, objectivity is obviously not shaped by any free will--else it wouldn't be objectivity, "free" (human) will being subjectivism by definition.

apollonian

#76
June 10, 2015, 01:30:49 AM
Quote from: apollonian on June 09, 2015, 12:37:44 AM
Quote from: Michael K. on June 09, 2015, 12:12:56 AM
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That the objective reality is determined without free will entering into it is not self evident, since free will and personal choice shape the objective reality we witness around us.

...

Above quote is false and contradictory: objectivity entails absolute cause-effect, hence determinism, PERIOD.

And there is no perfectly "free" human will; only God's will is perfectly free, by definition.

Finally, objectivity is obviously not shaped by any free will--else it wouldn't be objectivity, "free" (human) will being subjectivism by definition.

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See also my latest exposition at http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=19354.msg76542;topicseen#new

Christopher Marlowe

#77
June 10, 2015, 03:03:50 AM
Quote from: apollonian on June 10, 2015, 01:30:49 AM
Quote from: apollonian on June 09, 2015, 12:37:44 AM
Quote from: Michael K. on June 09, 2015, 12:12:56 AM
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That the objective reality is determined without free will entering into it is not self evident, since free will and personal choice shape the objective reality we witness around us.

...

Above quote is false and contradictory: objectivity entails absolute cause-effect, hence determinism, PERIOD.

And there is no perfectly "free" human will; only God's will is perfectly free, by definition.

Finally, objectivity is obviously not shaped by any free will--else it wouldn't be objectivity, "free" (human) will being subjectivism by definition.

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See also my latest exposition at http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=19354.msg76542;topicseen#new
1. What is this statement doing on the Twitter images thread?

2. HYPOTHETICAL: A man is asked to choose between two glasses of water. Both look the same. To all appearances, the choice seems completely arbitrary. 

The man chooses the one on the right.  This is recorded on video.

A 2nd person watches a TV monitor of the 1st man who must choose between the two glasses.
The 2nd person doesn't know which glass the man will choose, and he thinks that the video is live, but it is actually just a recording.

I have seen the video.
I walk in and say: he will choose the one on the right.
I know this because it has already happened and I saw it.  I did not influence the man in any way.

Now play this same scene out over a dozen times.
To the 2nd person, it looks like I have knowledge of the future. I can perfectly predict which glass a person will choose before he chooses.
The person is freely choosing, but I know which one he will choose.  In other words, my knowledge of the person's choice does not affect the person's free will. 

This is a demonstration of the way it is with God. God knows everything. God knows all the sins I will commit. God will even provide graces to help me to overcome sin.  But I still have free will to choose. God's knowledge of how I will end up does not affect my free will. 
And, as their wealth increaseth, so inclose
    Infinite riches in a little room

apollonian

#78
June 10, 2015, 03:17:59 AM
Quote from: Christopher Marlowe on June 10, 2015, 03:03:50 AM
Quote from: apollonian on June 10, 2015, 01:30:49 AM
Quote from: apollonian on June 09, 2015, 12:37:44 AM
Quote from: Michael K. on June 09, 2015, 12:12:56 AM
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That the objective reality is determined without free will entering into it is not self evident, since free will and personal choice shape the objective reality we witness around us.

...

Above quote is false and contradictory: objectivity entails absolute cause-effect, hence determinism, PERIOD.

And there is no perfectly "free" human will; only God's will is perfectly free, by definition.

Finally, objectivity is obviously not shaped by any free will--else it wouldn't be objectivity, "free" (human) will being subjectivism by definition.

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See also my latest exposition at http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=19354.msg76542;topicseen#new
1. What is this statement doing on the Twitter images thread?
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All u need do is follow the references back to the original subject.


apollonian

#79
June 10, 2015, 03:36:22 AM
Quote from: Christopher Marlowe on June 10, 2015, 03:03:50 AM
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This is a demonstration of the way it is with God. God knows everything. God knows all the sins I will commit. God will even provide graces to help me to overcome sin.  But I still have free will to choose. God's knowledge of how I will end up does not affect my free will.

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No, most u have is mere will, but not a perfectly free will--otherwise U WOULD BE GOD, which is false and impossible.  U may THINK u're "choosing" freely, but it's what u had to do, given premises and circumstances, all in accord w. absolute cause-effect, necessary consequence and condition of the objective reality.

A perfectly "free" human will is HUBRIS and subjectivism, making oneself God.

Basically, the ONLY choice u ever have, in any situation, is whether u (a) wish to act, (b) therefore act towards ur interest (self-preservation).  So, u can act (a) to continue living, or (b) to die.

And u will NEVER, EVER EVER EVER EVER "overcome sin" EVER--u're a sinner (self-interested by virtue of ur will) DOOMED to fiery flames of heck, PERIOD.  Only God's grace and mercy can possibly save u.

For reference: see St. Augustine, Pelagian heresy; this controversy arose again, ref. Martin Luther vs. Erasmus

Ognir

#80
June 10, 2015, 05:58:43 AM
Stop trolling the fucking thread


The bus used on 7/7/2005 in London
https://twitter.com/Ognir2/status/608384448602742784/photo/1
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

apollonian

#81
June 10, 2015, 06:48:59 AM
Quote from: Ognir on June 10, 2015, 05:58:43 AM
Stop trolling the fucking thread
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What are u referring to?--is it, "the thread," ONLY for twitter pictures, or something?--u don't want discussion of the details?--I noticed there were some comments for other pictures.  I wouldn't say the thread for the twitter pictures is ruined at all, though it does have some extra stuff.

Seems simple thing to just take-out (edit) the extended discussion part and start new thread, right?  I wasn't sure extended comments would ensue fm my first note, for which I'd have gladly started new thread, had I known.  Seems like good philosophic discussion; it could surely go there (philosophy)--if u could help as editor--for I can take-out my own notes and transfer, but not the others.  I will certainly remember next time, for sure.

Ognir

#82
June 10, 2015, 07:07:09 AM
If you find an image interesting and worthy of more debate, open a new thread about it

Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

yankeedoodle

#83
June 10, 2015, 11:07:18 AM

Ognir

#84
June 10, 2015, 11:44:02 AM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#85
June 11, 2015, 08:23:36 AM


Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#86
June 13, 2015, 07:52:11 AM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Ognir

#87
June 13, 2015, 01:37:48 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe

Idaho Kid

#88
June 13, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
How about this one for accuracy in forecasting the future?

"Certainly the Protocols are a forgery, and that is the one proof we have of their authenticity. The Jews have worked with forged documents for the past 24 hundred years, namely ever since they have had any documents whatsoever." - Ezra Pound

Ognir

#89
June 14, 2015, 05:19:55 PM
Most zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe he promised them Palestine

- Ilan Pappe
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