Prothink & John

[Anonymous]

all this just boils down to "follow the meggage not the messanger"

both these guys have put excellent information into the arena, if you don't like what there putting out now, don't listen. If they are agents, I seriously doub't it.they have educated a lot of people on Zionism  so touche!

for me personally I don't buy the militia line or the blame all jews. This will send this movment even more "fringe" than it aready is.And give very easy ammunition to the forces that would love to cloase these sites down in an instant. YOu can only fight cunning with even more cunning, not violence.

Remember most people stop the conspiracy research when it comes to Zionism and the Jewish control issue. I almost did, but was compelled to go all the way, no matter how twisted it was.. For this reason alone, it should be put in context and always mentioned that "its not all the Jews involved" but a criminal cabal of zionists,jews,gentile puppets, for these people sakes. Break 'em in gently as they say.

If this isn't done, your gonna possibly scare away a lot of "seekers" before they can deprogramme the Zionist propoganda they've grew up with.

You can't expect Jewish people to be any better at cuttung through the centuries of propoganda than the rest of us. So to blame all of them is akin to blaming the rest of humanity that has been mindcontrolled to belive what there told to believe. Then this movment will never take off.

You don't (if you have a brain) blame all americans for the bombing of cambodia and Loas and the countless slaughters since.

Lets stop the infighting, and outing's and concentrate on the information and pushing it out, spec the missing links movie, which is by far the most hard hitting.

Mem.

I totally agree!  Your philosophy on this heated matter is also my own, but above all, it is what separates us from our enemies.  Fostering a climate of intellectual, impersonal debate combined with understanding and, hopefully, tolerance of differing opinions is what will propel us to victory.

[ThaTruth920]

all this just boils down to "follow the meggage not the messanger"

both these guys have put excellent information into the arena, if you don't like what there putting out now, don't listen. If they are agents, I seriously doub't it.they have educated a lot of people on Zionism  so touche!

for me personally I don't buy the militia line or the blame all jews. This will send this movment even more "fringe" than it aready is.And give very easy ammunition to the forces that would love to cloase these sites down in an instant. YOu can only fight cunning with even more cunning, not violence.

Remember most people stop the conspiracy research when it comes to Zionism and the Jewish control issue. I almost did, but was compelled to go all the way, no matter how twisted it was.. For this reason alone, it should be put in context and always mentioned that "its not all the Jews involved" but a criminal cabal of zionists,jews,gentile puppets, for these people sakes. Break 'em in gently as they say.

If this isn't done, your gonna possibly scare away a lot of "seekers" before they can deprogramme the Zionist propoganda they've grew up with.

You can't expect Jewish people to be any better at cuttung through the centuries of propoganda than the rest of us. So to blame all of them is akin to blaming the rest of humanity that has been mindcontrolled to belive what there told to believe. Then this movment will never take off.

You don't (if you have a brain) blame all americans for the bombing of cambodia and Loas and the countless slaughters since.

Lets stop the infighting, and outing's and concentrate on the information and pushing it out, spec the missing links movie, which is by far the most hard hitting.

Mem.

Exactly... I agree as well...

I never said anything about rounding up people but I did say they did need to speak out against their community... hell even DBS states that in nearly every broadcast - its not all Jews are guilty and Jews need to speak out against what their leadership is doing... what is wrong with that? Nothing is blamed completely on the Jews because I know a lot of uninformed people that will go along with what the leadership says just because they don't know any better...

I forgot who said this but it was something along the line of, "If the goyim ever find out what we have done, there will be no place on this earth we can hide as even the rocks will tell where we are hiding."

Like many people have said many times before - the best way for us to win back our world is to have people from the Jewish community speak out against their leadership... those Jews that speak out will be our greatest allies.

[ThaTruth920]

For the record,   I've told no one to STFU and I appreciate all the different Points of View on the matter.

Thanks and we all appreciate that!

[Canard]

I'd like to commend Blowman on his recent realization, many have commented to me in IM and emails they felt the same way about your emotionalism.  It's good to see you take steps to address it.  Best of luck on your road to better mental health my friend.

[joeblow]

I'd like to commend Blowman on his recent realization, many have commented to me in IM and emails they felt the same way about your emotionalism.  It's good to see you take steps to address it.  Best of luck on your road to better mental health my friend.

Yawn, more stalking as usual, it borders on almost...nah I'll let go as I usually do.

[Anonymous]

I very little in the way of uninformed opinionating in the two topics you mention.

Perhaps. But what I meant by this was just saying the two have their opinion and we're all attacking them is uninformed opinionating. I can post conversations, forum posts, youtube comments, etc, etc where there is no justification for their actions while others simply think its a misunderstanding between us and "high school drama" while knowing nothing of the true facts behind the scenes that are very disturbing and would take a long time to detail.. I could post all these very incriminating statements of the two but it would further the drama and I don't think we want this to keep festering and causing problems.

I don't get it. What are you saying? That vast majority of the Western World is not gearing up to become an outright police state?

Seems that way but if you look at the mechanics of instituting a police state it's not cake.  Requires a lot of manpower.  These people calculate everything.  I don't think they do things like that unless they absolutely have to, because actions like that will have the reverse effect in creating more wide-scale rebellion.

Preparation for that is obviously absolutely necessary though.

but I have to ask what makes Shamir a gatekeeper?

He purposely deflects attention away from high level jewish crime and control... He either feigns ignorance or lies.  Especially about 9/11.  Listen to his interview with DBS.

What I believe we should do is work to uncover the evidence that will undermine the tissue of lies that provides the foundation for that victim status.

... And spread it calmly to everyone to eliminate the programming of the slave to defend his master.  Otherwise, rhetoric about armed conflict with ALL of "them" is suicide ...

[Canard]

I'd like to commend Blowman on his recent realization, many have commented to me in IM and emails they felt the same way about your emotionalism.  It's good to see you take steps to address it.  Best of luck on your road to better mental health my friend.

Yawn, more stalking as usual, it borders on almost...nah I'll let go as I usually do.

Oh I didn't mean insult.  I just was glad to see you finally addressing those demons, stay on the road to recovery Joe I know you can do it!!!!

[stoneskull]

these rothschilds, warburgs, oppenheimers, etc..

are they really jews?

or do they just OWN a cult?

i reckon they're atheists.

or maybe the better word is moneyists.

they worship money. and want power.

i really doubt they believe in the talmud nor moses nor even god.

and the members of the cult they own who are known as jews, are just like their little army.

know what i mean?

[Ognir]

they worship money

I strongly doubt that
They invented the FIAT system :lol:

[Brayman]

they worship money

I strongly doubt that
They invented the FIAT system :lol:

Maybe its more like the power that they get from the money they created?

[stoneskull]

yeah.. castles, and private planes.. perhaps a sex slave or three - i dunno..

but i bet they aren't really religious.

[Ognir]

Religion = You are a follower

[Anonymous]

i really doubt they believe in the talmud nor moses nor even god.

and the members of the cult they own who are known as jews, are just like their little army.

know what i mean?

Yes.  It is a tool.  It is a brainwashing weapon.  It is a shield of protection in our age against many wrong doings.  It is a label of great power that was molded by 'them' into being such a thing.  The label 'Jew' is not a cut-and-dry definition as some would think it to be.  The enemies are many who do wrong, some of them may be defined as 'Jews', 'Catholic', 'white', etc.  What matters in the 'Jew' focus of information exposure, is that they have a high level importance in the overall conspiracy that we can identify in our current times via the media, religious, political and financial influence/control these people have.  And let's not forget the Talmud and the supremacist evil philosophy that stems from that vile book, and those who support it.  Which, by the way, isn't all 'Jews'.  And what about the non-'Jewish' criminals who think the same way? .i.e. that they are superior and we are all cattle.  Are they Talmudic non-'Jews'?  Is the Talmud the origin of this type of thinking?  The origins of it all matters, but can you honestly say the 'Jews' have been driving the conspiracy all this time from the get-go?

Let's say there was no 'Jewish' predominance in these fields, we would not have a good basis for concluding the conspiracy is currently in the hands of so-called 'Jews'.  Let's say the power structure remained the way it was before 'Jews' began the ascent into power, we would have white people in charge of the overall thing instead of 'Jews'.  So let's say there are conspiracy researchers who have come up with evidence and tie it all together like we do, but they call it a 'white conspiracy', and then some other sub-group decides to start saying that all 'whites' are guilty until proven innocent or assume they are guilty - due to this 'white' label relation.  Some others tone it down and just say all 'whites' are suspect until shown otherwise.  There are many different kinds of 'white' people, but that doesn't seem to matter if only 5% of them are criminals and 35% are religious supremacists (invented figures, does someone know real figures for this?), this group thinks it should still treat the other 60% as if they are criminals until their innocence can be determined or proven.  I don't agree with that type of criminal accusation system, whatever the real numbers are.

Why can't it just be that if you are a Talmudic supremacist or have a similar belief, or are a criminal in this whole thing - trying to control us, then that makes you the enemy.  This comes with deprogramming people too, 'Jews among them, into seeing what the hell is going on!  'When you use words like "..the good 'Jew' does not exist", you come off very wrong.  Many people know there are different types of 'Jews', and many people know 'Jews' themselves that they would term 'good' - not 'good' according to John's strict criteria of what could constitute a 'good Jew' - but 'good' people that are not criminals or Talmudic.  All of the criteria that John requires are not a necessity by most peoples concept of 'good', I would hope (or else dare I say there are much less 'good' people than we think...)

The problem with these 10 minute youtube clips is that they are just 10 minutes.  A concept/message/idea is briefly espoused.  Then people react to the short message and have questions, or assume things the messenger didn't say, or are against certain or all of the concepts.  If this is a controversial and questionable philosophy for a concept (as I think became apparent after the videos release), a more thought-out in-depth explanation is in order.  That would necessitate a much longer video or a well constructed and detailed explanation of the philosophy for people to read in text.  If the goal is indeed to provide an idea for others to use, how could you (John or Mike, who currently do not have access to post) think a 10 min video proposing such an idea - in a controversial way - would be easily accepted as the answer?  You cannot have possibly thought this video would just go down easy and all of us would just think it was great.  

Honestly, think of before you released it, saying "...the good 'Jew' does not exist", "the 'Jew' is so vile in its ways", that would not get some opposing reaction of some kind?  The problem is you are defining what a 'good Jew' is, whereas others do not agree with those words, or what they mean.  The criteria for 'good' seems to be extreme, and many who are non-'Jews' and are against the establishment of a NWO do not qualify as 'good people' if the arguments for 'good Jew' was applied to them.  But some of us did supply some 'good Jew' names  Also, the broad generalization of defining a 'Jew' as equating to Talmudic criminal, is not helping out either.  Another approach would be recommended if we hope to get anywhere in convincing others, let alone the other 'conspiracy researchers' that don't agree with the info and conclusions we draw.  Taking control back of the word 'Jew' would help   First amongst ourselves

A more thorough explanation is needed to make a proper case for a new philosophy you want others to accept.  Maybe I missed it.  But if you choose to re-define a word such as 'good' instead of choosing another word that more properly defines your criteria, then do not expect people to agree with the statement "...the good 'Jew' does not exist".  I do not accept the use of 'good' in that statement, and therefore cannot accept the validity of that statement.

"...there is no excuse for even the common 'Jew' to not be aware of it ('Jewish' influence/control)"
Yet many 'non-Jewish' people are not aware of it, why are they not on the same level of condemnation as a 'Jew'?

So is a 'Jew' more someone who is the criminal kind?  Is a 'Jew' also someone who is Talmudic?  Is a 'Jew' also someone who is also religiously non-Talmudic 'Jewish'?  Is a 'Jew' also someone who is quasi hardly religious and only does menial superficial things associated with 'being Jewish' a few times a year?  Is a 'Jew' also someone who has familial/tribal loyalties to others of the label?  Or is a 'Jew' simply one who has the label of being 'Jewish' due to an existing, long gone or fictitious religious and/or racial relation?  And for this reason, they are all suspect for being Talmudic criminals on a mission to enslave/kill us?

So we should be "assuming all 'Jews' are guilty", according to Eric Hufschmid, which John uses as a reliable source in his last video on this discussion, "Friends & Allies", where he goes after Khanverse with some help from EH.  EH says Khanverse is working for 'them' now  :roll:

Introducing your full name, mother, father and place of birth for the first time as a claim that you are open about your identity unlike others who are somewhat likened to 'mysterious people' or 'agents' of some kind (by EH later on in the video), is not exactly an honest thing to do.  How about presenting your identity publicly if you choose to, and then if others - who you want to do the same - do not, then continue with the baseless accusations and have fun pushing yourself into a corner by claiming the only good people who speak up on these issues are those who divulge their full name, etc.  Since (according to this line of thought), if you don't divulge your identity like Khanverse, then you are a 'mysterious person' who is working for the criminals - so says EH (which John apparently supports the claims - as he made no disclaimer about not agreeing with EH when presenting the audio clip, but maybe he doesn't).

I just don't see how using this strategy is going to be a concept for anyone to accept, i.e. one that involves "...the good 'Jew' does not exist" (and relying on EH's reasoning skills to determine who is an 'agent').  Just imagine yourself as an ignorant sheeple, but you're a so-called 'Jew' for some reason but are not part of this crap.  Now you are guilty for what?  For not being knowledgeable about a conspiracy... let's all just condemn all the sheeple too.  

I'm sure the video is good (Missing Links), but making a good video does not excuse thinking everyone should accept your new message, and if they don't they are somehow a 'tripe of detractors' (if it isn't everyone who doesn't agree, then who exactly are these tripe John?  You were not specific).  Similar to calling people 'cowards' in earlier videos.  That is just not proper leadership if that is what you are trying to do by introducing a new concept.  Think it out more and come back with something you can at least get us - who are at least aware of the issues you discuss - to agree with.  Then you can possibly consider it as an idea that would perpetuate and 'force multiply'.  But face it, if you can't get much of the like minded people to be on the same page (us), then the likelihood of affecting any 'change' with that message is very slim-to-none.

Just because no one else is providing a different concept/idea, does not mean this one is the best one to do now.  It is not.  And it does not prevent others who do not have a concept of their own - to resolve the problems we face - from analyzing and criticizing the proposed idea.

Peace.

[Anonymous]

wow, magnificent breakdown.

I wish I had the patience to not come off the least bit abrasive in a valid critique.

Much props

[GordZilla]

Religion = You are a follower

Would this apply to Muslims, such a Khanverse, as well?

Seriously, you miss the best part of the belief in God, and that's the freedom it brings man.

I know, you'll laugh at first but think on it. The world's freest countries had a constitution where the word 'God' is repeated many times (we should perhaps say 'in the past', as we're all losing this freedom –right in line with the loss of faith btw). We are all equal under God, this brings a certain humility to man that helps protect against an all out dictatorship brought on by one very corrupted man. If this belief is gone, totally removed, than recognizing that one man is not 'better' than others becomes harder to do for the subjugated. They would have nothing to base their argument on. Why wouldn't the supreme leader of them not claim himself to be just that; 'supreme'? There will be no utopia in this scenario, with absolute certainty the man who puts himself in charge of the country, perhaps the world, and has no belief in a creator, a supreme being, will for surely see himself as such. And remember absolute power corrupts absolutely. The subjected is this scenario would also have no recourse to incite revolt. After all what are the definitions of 'good' and 'evil' in a world dictated to by one supreme human leader? Well they'd be whatever that dictator wished them to be.

 Christianity, and Islam for that matter, will always be their first targets slated for dismantling. Always have been. And it's for precisely this reason. (just ask communist Russia)  Belief in God gives STRENGTH to the common man, where atheism (yet another 'ism' go figure) brings apathy and submissiveness in the face of an evil dictatorship. Like it or not, the biggest resistance will (and always has been) be coming from the religious, not the atheist. The atheist and agnostic are their greatest friends.

 When faith is totally removed from the world's people, concepts such a right and wrong, good and evil will become totally Orwellian in their usage. They'd be able to alter the definitions overnight without meeting any resistance at all in the morning.

 Yes again, I'm gonna hear that this kind of talk is not allowed on this 'truth' forum, and again I'll point out the absurdity of such a practice. This whole thing smacks of religion, mysticism, the occult and God. Science and technology are only their tools in which to implement their perverted ideas of the previously mentioned concepts. It's all based in God, as mentioned by Him 2000 years before this forum. Christians and Muslims have always been their greatest enemies long before you even got wind of this conspiracy. Go on believing what you want, but that's the truth of the matter.... So you may want to promptly remove these comments.

As for defining them and whether or not they are guilty, I would (and have before) suggest this common rule;

Talmudic Jew = guilty.  -period

-Gord

P.S.  Man will always be a follower, whether it be religion, fashion, politics, science or even the concept of independent thought. There are many that follow your lead, many mine and even more His and still even more that claim to follow none. But even they will group together. Man is a social, sheep-like animal, and simply because an idea 'sounds' to be independent and leaderless, doesn't not make it so. It never will. Only pride will have a man boastfully claim not to follow anyone, but this is NEVER the case. All are inspired by someone or something. All take direction, inherently.

[Ognir]

Kahn can be an open Muslim and I respect that or any other member on the site that follow any religion, however I was talking for myself and this God idea and the mix of religions that follow different Gods.

I know my time is limited and I'll pass on from this life but my feelings on that I'll keep to myself as I need to personally think more about it. Am I open to the idea of a Creator,  maybe even probably but it's not something written in an old book that is my motivation.

As I said, TiU doesn't have a religion section and I don't see one coming anytime soon, reason being that I've seen it a million times on other forums the debates that just end in the toilet.

[Rockclimber]

they worship money

I strongly doubt that
They invented the FIAT system :lol:

Maybe its more like the power that they get from the money they created?

I'm convinced it's the power and control they have amassed and continue to amass. That is their driving force. They want it all. From generation to generation the Jewish mafia continues to swallow up everything in their path. We see Talmudic philosophy at work here, much like the Protocols. But one thing is for sure, they are a Jew-mafia. They are jews involved in their own organized crime network.

[GordZilla]

Kahn can be an open Muslim and I respect that or any other member on the site that follow any religion, however I was talking for myself and this God idea and the mix of religions that follow different Gods.

I know my time is limited and I'll pass on from this life but my feelings on that I'll keep to myself as I need to personally think more about it. Am I open to the idea of a Creator,  maybe even probably but it's not something written in an old book that is my motivation.

As I said, TiU doesn't have a religion section and I don't see one coming anytime soon, reason being that I've seen it a million times on other forums the debates that just end in the toilet.

Fair enough.. I have seen that happen, but I'll still contend that it is a shame. Seems either way, the topic of religion or not allowing the topic of religion will both further work to divide us. Guess this is inevitable. I would just hope all try not to slander either the believers just as much as those that don't... that is if we ever wish to have any REAL unity.

-Gord

[Rockclimber]

It's a Jewish mafia. That's easier to sell then calling it a religion or talmudists because people can relate to the word 'mafia'.

[Rockclimber]

Kahn can be an open Muslim and I respect that or any other member on the site that follow any religion, however I was talking for myself and this God idea and the mix of religions that follow different Gods.

I know my time is limited and I'll pass on from this life but my feelings on that I'll keep to myself as I need to personally think more about it. Am I open to the idea of a Creator,  maybe even probably but it's not something written in an old book that is my motivation.

As I said, TiU doesn't have a religion section and I don't see one coming anytime soon, reason being that I've seen it a million times on other forums the debates that just end in the toilet.

Fair enough.. I have seen that happen, but I'll still contend that it is a shame. Seems either way, the topic of religion or not allowing the topic of religion will both further work to divide us. Guess this is inevitable. I would just hope all try not to slander either the believers just as much as those that don't... that is if we ever wish to have any REAL unity.

-Gord

He's right. I was a moderator at CC back in the day for the religious section. The forum turned into a awful mess of each and everyone's own dogmas. I stand firm on my beliefs as a follower of Christ but I don't want to participate in that mess again.

My soul purpose for being here (personally) is to allow this forum to serve as a conduit to expose and gather fact based evidence then disseminate this info far and wide while looking for solutions.

[Anonymous]

It's a Jewish mafia. That's easier to sell then calling it a religion or talmudists because people can relate to the word 'mafia'.

'Jewish' mafia is indeed a very good analogy to describe the collectivist secrecy about the cabal and the implications of criminal behavior derived from it.  I think it describes the core of these particularly 'Jewish' criminals, but then you have dupes who follow the Talmudic teachings that are not directly part of the core mafia... isn't that philosophy part of the problem as well?

[sullivan]

It's a Jewish mafia. That's easier to sell then calling it a religion or talmudists because people can relate to the word 'mafia'.

'Jewish' mafia is indeed a very good analogy to describe the collectivist secrecy about the cabal and the implications of criminal behavior derived from it.  I think it describes the core of these particularly 'Jewish' criminals, but then you have dupes who follow the Talmudic teachings that are not directly part of the core mafia... isn't that philosophy part of the problem as well?

The 'philosophy' (if it can be called that) is the both enabler of the Jewish Mafia as well as being something 'religious' to hide behind.  The 'philosophy' of the Talmud includes laws like the Moser, the Jewish Mafia version of the Italian Mafia's omertà, and the Kol Nidre, which renders all vows and oaths null and void.

[Rockclimber]

It's a Jewish mafia. That's easier to sell then calling it a religion or talmudists because people can relate to the word 'mafia'.

'Jewish' mafia is indeed a very good analogy to describe the collectivist secrecy about the cabal and the implications of criminal behavior derived from it.  I think it describes the core of these particularly 'Jewish' criminals, but then you have dupes who follow the Talmudic teachings that are not directly part of the core mafia... isn't that philosophy part of the problem as well?

Outwardly I would consider them to be a Jewish mafia. Esoterically it appears the Talmud is their driving force. I don't know for sure the names of those who profess to practice it, but it's evident that their actions fit these beliefs, so it may well be at the heart of it.

[AK3N470N]

This recently in, Mike from Prothink gets punched in the face by a Jew...

[Canard]

lazy bastard, can't provide a link?

:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mru8zeCxuhk

[AK3N470N]

lazy bastard, can't provide a link?

:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mru8zeCxuhk

I thought posting videos from John would get me banned or something like that. Seeing as the two in the video are no longer with us.

[AbdulHaq]

Good for them, getting the message out there

[Canard]

lazy bastard, can't provide a link?

:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mru8zeCxuhk

(edit og)

I thought posting videos from John would get me banned or something like that. Seeing as the two in the video are no longer with us.

nah og's not a Douche. this content is cool, no masks and ak's no call for bloody revolution just two guys speaking their mild opinions in public with some narration. not bad work John and Mike, not bad. PS i'd love to see them sue that guy, it could get them publicity indirectly.  I don't know what lawyer would help them out though, maybe edgar steele.
ah well back to being an internet warrior.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Nice work guys.

Truth hurts them.  I can only imagine how this guy rationalizes his unprovoked act to others. Maybe something like..."Then this guy called Arabs semites...and I had to defend Israel against their Anti-Semitism."  -- but that might open strange can of worms for Mr. Zio-crazy.  It's not easy to dismiss truth.

That's actually quite brave of you Mike and John.

Cheers.

[Abdul Jabaar]

Well it is interesting that he was able to admit to there being such a thing as a "bad Jew". So at what point do we start actually arresting these "bad Jews". Is 9/11 bad enough? What about the media silence? Could that have anything to do with "bad Jews"? And what of the Criminal Zionist state of Israel? How bad does that have to get before we actually do something about it? How bad is bad? I do wonder what qualifies for being a "bad Jew"? Could it perhaps be to actually speak out about JEWISH CRIMINALITY? Is this what it is? If so, what we really could do with is some "bad Jews"! Peace, AJ.