Zeitgeist: Addendum

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[googlevid:18feg7bq]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912[/googlevid:18feg7bq]

"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword, the other is by debt."
- John Adams

[MikeWB]

Good stuff!

[memory hole]

great presentation, the best description of the banking system I've ever seen, this should be played in schools! good work. Must see indeed.

[Ralph Furely]

no one has any issues with this at all?  well i have some.

everything was actually pretty good for the most part.. i liked the banking part it would do well to explain to people whats really going on to the unknowing (altho no mention really at all of whos behind all that. the most we got near the end was jp morgan chase. they supposedly are the most important to mention for whos behind the fed.)
it was basically the moneymasters/moneychangers timeline info rehashed. minus the names and description of who these ppl are and where they came from. and why they are doing what theyre doing.

i liked all the corporation/explaining of the system shit, transportation part was good, (4000m/hr wow. thats crazy.) all that information was great, get ppl thinking about why the hell theyre still using oil and what reasons there are for 'the corporations' to keep new energy away from the ppl (again no mention of whos really behind all that stuff). also found it weird while talking about biothermal energy and all these different kinds of renewable energy that there was no mention of Tesla or 'free energy'. isnt that as renewable as one could wish to get? thats on the same tip as what they were telling us about isnt it??
also the regime changes over the years, explaining about the economic ppl going in and trying to corrupt the leaders, shit about sadam was great.. lots of great info to get ppl to listen and think..

it all sounded pretty good for the 1st 3/4 of the movie. i liked it, it was inspirational and i was enjoying what it could possibly be showing new comers to this kinda info.
until we came to the part where the older guy was talking about nations working together, world unification.. thats when i said oohhhh ok. i get it. i think i see whats going on here..
i knew from one of mobes' audios that it was being promoted in the MS somewhere, so i guess i was waiting to see what angle they could possibly want promoted. there had to be a reason as to why this would be getting any mention at all.
i thought to myself ok i see. i see this as all about softening up the masses, getting them ready for a big new change. a world united, sounds so nice. but really isnt this just a one world govt. new world order idea? all of us living in this world community, but whos ruling? whos creating this new change?
maybe this is being used to get this idea in our heads about this big change; and we need to unite, have a global community. packaged in nice words. they didnt really tell us that this whole monetary system was built to be destroyed in the 1st place anyway. America itself is an experiment, a corporation itself, owned by another entity.  America is destined for collapse anyway right?  that this was all part of the plan. they make it seem as tho we need to stop this system ourselves or else itll just keep going on. that we need to move on to something else. but they fail to give us any idea at all about who the hell these ppl are that have enslaved us in the 1st place. how are we supposed to look out for them the next time, when this next new venus project like society is being set up or whatever it may be. how do we know the same ppl arent controlling this shit too?? they told us nothing about how all this mess, this 'system' came to be, who or what has created it, why, what they have planned, what their names are, if this has happened before, and so on. no talk of this big plan by certain banking families to set this shit up.  Or to have it collapse either.

so, what we have here is a bunch of great ideas, ideas that sound great. but we dont know who got us into this mess in the 1st place, we dont know why, we dont know that this has all been planned; the banking system failing, etc., we dont know who is to blame, we dont know why these ppl have done this to us and our world, we dont know where they come from, we dont know anything about the rothschilds, the obvious owners and creators of this big fractional reserve banking system. they told us so much about the way this evil fed works, yet they failed to inform the ppl on who created it, why they created, how it came to be and so on. the name Rothschild did not appear anywhere in that whole film. why is that.

anyway, to end my rant, this was good up until i noticed the agenda.  if its getting play, that has to be for a reason.  this looks to me like lots of great info for the majority of the movie, then it shift to NWO type ideals.  it just seems like theyre getting this idea in our heads about getting rid of all religion, taking down the system/revolting, and then when this new one world type of idea or system or whatever pops up, everyone will be thinking yay!  here it is this could be what i heard about.  it sounded so good when i heard abou it, so.. ok, ill accept it!  new world order it is.  too late for you to find out that youve accepted this thing thats built by the same ppl who had you enslaved before.  cuz you didnt know who that was, cuz no one told you.  specially the zeitgeist ppl.

the end.

[Ralph Furely]

That Being Said:
i still would like to promote this film to family and friends,
but i will be giving a large disclaimer prior to them watching it, and i will probably feel guilty for showing it to them.

[sullivan]

i thought to myself ok i see. i see this as all about softening up the masses, getting them ready for a big new change. a world united, sounds so nice. but really isnt this just a one world govt. new world order idea? all of us living in this world community, but whos ruling? whos creating this new change?

There is nothing inherently wrong with a united world... nations working together, etcetera.  I agree there may seem to be an agenda going on here, but I thought a) the Venus project ideas were a little too far out to be workable right now and b) they made it clear that they believed the state (that necessary evil) would cease to exist and that laws would be unnecessary because they are a natural product of a money-based economy. I don't think this is a devious agenda, but I do think it is a little too utopian. I say this even though I am a libertarian at heart and believe in the minimal state.  I also don't believe laws will ever be completely unnecessary, but I do believe they can be pared down significantly.

so, what we have here is a bunch of great ideas, ideas that sound great. but we dont know who got us into this mess in the 1st place, we dont know why, we dont know that this has all been planned; the banking system failing, etc., we dont know who is to blame, we dont know why these ppl have done this to us and our world, we dont know where they come from, we dont know anything about the rothschilds, the obvious owners and creators of this big fractional reserve banking system. they told us so much about the way this evil fed works, yet they failed to inform the ppl on who created it, why they created, how it came to be and so on. the name Rothschild did not appear anywhere in that whole film. why is that.

The movie does fail miserably when it comes to naming names, but we know who is to blame.  It is up to those who know to spread the word.

[Ralph Furely]

yea i agree with you, there is nothing wrong with that.  it would be great to actually have a whole world united and friendly and working, living together.  its just that i see this as possibly hidden behind good meaning or sounding words.  in theory this sounds great.  but it also sounds too close to what we are fighting against.  so im suspicious of that shit.  in a wonderful world this idea would bewonderful.  i just dont see it happening in this world we are all in now.
as for the venus project i also agree, this all sounds good, but this could never work for the ppl around right now.  this would have to come about a cpl generations from now.  ppl are too dumbed down and ignorant for anything of this nature to work for us.  would definitely have to be in the future.  it sounds great, looks great, it would be great.  for the future.

as for now, shits gonna collapse, everythings gonna change, get real shitty, most ppl will probably become broke and destitute, and so on.  we need some answers for those situations.  this movie is basically like what a perfect world could look like, if only...  its a lotta wishful thinking, while ignoring whats staring us in the face right now.  it gave a bunch of ideas and answers, but not for us, instead for ppl living in the future, when these kind of ideas could actually be implemented.  not right now.  none of this is possible right now.

so, it leaves the question, what the fuck are we supposed to do right now?>  who are these ppl, why are they doing this, how have they done this, how can we get out of it without the looming catastrophe,
how can we be sure to never allow this to happen again, and so on.  i guess i may be looking at this with too much of a negative outlook, but knowing what we know, seeing so many shills, so many bullshit new age docs about this kinda stuff.. i just cant take this all in and not have these issues.  

i will still show it to friends.

[sullivan]

so, it leaves the question, what the fuck are we supposed to do right now?

Easier said than done, but we basically have get rid of fractional reserve banking and debt-based currency - along with anyone who pimps these evils.

We need to get back to currency as a means of exchange and not a commodity in and of itself.

We also need to realise that buying shit we don't need doesn't make us better people or make our lives more fulfilled, and we should start to demand reliability and longevity from the goods we buy.

I agree with your sentiments with regard to Zeitgeist being new age. I also hate new age hocus-pocus bullshit, but I still think the movie has much to recommend it.

[Anonymous]

It's a nice illusion.

to me technology would become the new money system.

I am looking forward to living in a cave or a jungle one day with my own tribe or clan or on an island like the movie the beach.

[memory hole]

I agree with you ralph on the "utopian world system" seems a bit fake, great idea in practice but we all knows where that one goes !Maybe in another 2000 years or so .

The movie never mentionend the "Jews" which I presume was done on purpose, not to hide the truth or disinfomation, but hopefully to apply this infomation to the masses without the shutters coming down to soon, best not to scare them off with the holocaust facts, I think this will appeal to the masses, once you can unravel the propoganda , the banking system is the best seed to plant in peoples minds,its current and its fucked, and it effects everyone!!  takes you very near the top of the prymid VERY early on in your education. Hope it gets some hits! :lol:

[Ralph Furely]

i agree.

[kolnidre]

I am looking forward to living in a cave or a jungle one day with my own tribe or clan or on an island like the movie the beach.

May I join you? My clan is pretty small.

[Anonymous]

I am looking forward to living in a cave or a jungle one day with my own tribe or clan or on an island like the movie the beach.

May I join you? My clan is pretty small.

You would be most welcome, I have been working on building up land in Thailand and Latin said he knew of an Island for sale.

[sullivan]

You would be most welcome, I have been working on building up land in Thailand and Latin said he knew of an Island for sale.

That would be Ireland. Its always for sale to the highest bidder

[Ognir]

Couple of pints for the natives and you can have it :lol:

[sullivan]

Couple of pints for the natives and you can have it :lol:

I think these days a half a pint of Smithwicks shandy would probably suffice.  Wait 'til we see what budgetary 'surprises' Lenihan has in store for us 'tiger cubs' tomorrow.

[high_treason]

You would be most welcome, I have been working on building up land in Thailand and Latin said he knew of an Island for sale.

I was in Thailand for the last three months and going there for another month (work related stuff) you will not own the land legally because only a Thai person can own land and business. A better option is to look at South America they also have some Islands for sale and also Canada which has an abundence of cheap large islands.

[kolnidre]

You would be most welcome, I have been working on building up land in Thailand and Latin said he knew of an Island for sale.

That would be Ireland. Its always for sale to the highest bidder

Add Taiwan to the list, too.

The bank owns my house and I can't even afford to trade my shitbox Ford for a decent vehicle. How am I supposed to buy a freaking island?

[Ralph Furely]

marry a jewess perhaps..

[Anonymous]

Circus Show with Alex J and Zeitgeist creator

[Ralph Furely]

man, i listened to the 1st 40 minutes last night.  amazing.  im starting at 42 or so minutes in now and it just keeps on going.  
for one this peter joseph guy actually sounded really good.  but i was just blown away at alex.  i havent listened to him in years, except for the odd clip ppl post to show his lies.  the guy's a fucking maniac.  does he do this all the time?  it's almost embarrassing to have to listen to that.  how he can have any followers at all left  is completely beyond me.  i dont get it.
not only is he a raving fucking lunatic, hes an ignorant, rude, immature piece of fucking shit as well.  i dont care if hes not down with the film or parts of it or whatever, jesus christ as like a civilized adult please.  He's treating him like hes a child, like all he can resort to, sense this guy is making sense, is acting like a kid, with silly little voices and trying to mock him.  grow the fuck up.
when you have someone on trying to talk rationally with you, an intelligent polite man, why would you act like such a buffoon like this?  im blown away not only by this maniacal lieing piece of shit, but more so by his immaturity.  on the other hand i am definitely amused and entertained at the way joseph is handling him.  hes almost getting pissed off, but hes somewhat containing it.  its fun to listen to.

anyway this man needs to be boycotted.  and anyone who listens to him or believes he is not a paid liar, is a complete idiot.  bottom line.

[Ralph Furely]

those guys have been fishy from the beginning.  i look at them in the same light as the LC crew.

[sullivan]

those guys have been fishy from the beginning.  i look at them in the same light as the LC crew.

those guys, as in "We are Lame"?
Or the Zeitgeist crew?

[kolnidre]

Just a quick note, I recently heard a rumor that I must still confirm from a canadian 'truther' kid that he has learned WeAreChange Canadian factions receive donations from the Bronfman Family.  He also learned that WeAreChange is administered and managed in a cult-like fashion by Violet Jones, who is a long time family friend of the Bronfman Family.
Damn this gets weirder and stranger.

Why the hell not?

Truth is stranger than fiction.

But a rumor like this should be backed up or it just sends our minds wandering (again) in pointless places.

[mobes]

it all sounded pretty good for the 1st 3/4 of the movie. i liked it, it was inspirational and i was enjoying what it could possibly be showing new comers to this kinda info.
until we came to the part where the older guy was talking about nations working together, world unification.. thats when i said oohhhh ok. i get it. i think i see whats going on here..
i knew from one of mobes' audios that it was being promoted in the MS somewhere, so i guess i was waiting to see what angle they could possibly want promoted. there had to be a reason as to why this would be getting any mention at all.
i thought to myself ok i see. i see this as all about softening up the masses, getting them ready for a big new change. a world united, sounds so nice. but really isnt this just a one world govt. new world order idea? all of us living in this world community, but whos ruling? whos creating this new change?

anyway, to end my rant, this was good up until i noticed the agenda.  if its getting play, that has to be for a reason.  this looks to me like lots of great info for the majority of the movie, then it shift to NWO type ideals.  it just seems like theyre getting this idea in our heads about getting rid of all religion, taking down the system/revolting, and then when this new one world type of idea or system or whatever pops up, everyone will be thinking yay!  here it is this could be what i heard about.  it sounded so good when i heard abou it, so.. ok, ill accept it!  new world order it is.  too late for you to find out that youve accepted this thing thats built by the same ppl who had you enslaved before.  cuz you didnt know who that was, cuz no one told you.  specially the zeitgeist ppl.

the end.

I choose to look at it this way. This film was designed to soften up the sentiment about how 'bad' the NWO is. I see it like this - In order for all those technological advancements to be made, a new global slave race must be achieved. How can this be done? By tracking and tracing everyone, where they go, what they do, what they purchase and so on. They are focusing on humanity's future about 600 years from now. What the makers of this film do not tell you is how all of this technological advancement will take place.

In my previous audios, I've talked about the great deception. This deception in my view is what is needed in order to condition everyone to accept this NWO, world government, world army, new world electronic funds system and so on. And this ties in perfectly with my last audio when I was talking about naked short-selling. The solution  they provide to end naked short-selling is an electronically tracked system to track and trace every single trade that was made by who, when and where. This is no different than what is happening in the manufacturing industry. In my previous audios I mentioned the SAP system. This is the system that is used to track and trace everything that is manufactured, and this system is worldwide.

Although I (and most of us can) agree that coming into this movement, the bankers were the problem. Don't get me wrong, I still think that they are. However, it seems that based on the solution that is provided, there is STILL NOT ENOUGH people who truly understand the economic situation to grasp a proper solution. The only problem I have is this - I am not against the ideals of the NWO, I am only against those who control it. I see the NWO as a double-edged sword. If humanity is in control, then we're completely free. If the NWO is in control of private hands, we will  be enslaved for our entire lifetime. No matter what we do (our occupation that is), we are building up the Technological System that is about to rule over the earth.

So the question remains.....WHO WILL BE IN CONTROL? US OR THEM???

[Ralph Furely]

those guys have been fishy from the beginning.  i look at them in the same light as the LC crew.

those guys, as in "We are Lame"?
Or the Zeitgeist crew?

we are lame  

[Ralph Furely]

it all sounded pretty good for the 1st 3/4 of the movie. i liked it, it was inspirational and i was enjoying what it could possibly be showing new comers to this kinda info.
until we came to the part where the older guy was talking about nations working together, world unification.. thats when i said oohhhh ok. i get it. i think i see whats going on here..
i knew from one of mobes' audios that it was being promoted in the MS somewhere, so i guess i was waiting to see what angle they could possibly want promoted. there had to be a reason as to why this would be getting any mention at all.
i thought to myself ok i see. i see this as all about softening up the masses, getting them ready for a big new change. a world united, sounds so nice. but really isnt this just a one world govt. new world order idea? all of us living in this world community, but whos ruling? whos creating this new change?

anyway, to end my rant, this was good up until i noticed the agenda.  if its getting play, that has to be for a reason.  this looks to me like lots of great info for the majority of the movie, then it shift to NWO type ideals.  it just seems like theyre getting this idea in our heads about getting rid of all religion, taking down the system/revolting, and then when this new one world type of idea or system or whatever pops up, everyone will be thinking yay!  here it is this could be what i heard about.  it sounded so good when i heard abou it, so.. ok, ill accept it!  new world order it is.  too late for you to find out that youve accepted this thing thats built by the same ppl who had you enslaved before.  cuz you didnt know who that was, cuz no one told you.  specially the zeitgeist ppl.

the end.

I choose to look at it this way. This film was designed to soften up the sentiment about how 'bad' the NWO is. I see it like this - In order for all those technological advancements to be made, a new global slave race must be achieved. How can this be done? By tracking and tracing everyone, where they go, what they do, what they purchase and so on. They are focusing on humanity's future about 600 years from now. What the makers of this film do not tell you is how all of this technological advancement will take place.

In my previous audios, I've talked about the great deception. This deception in my view is what is needed in order to condition everyone to accept this NWO, world government, world army, new world electronic funds system and so on. And this ties in perfectly with my last audio when I was talking about naked short-selling. The solution  they provide to end naked short-selling is an electronically tracked system to track and trace every single trade that was made by who, when and where. This is no different than what is happening in the manufacturing industry. In my previous audios I mentioned the SAP system. This is the system that is used to track and trace everything that is manufactured, and this system is worldwide.

Although I (and most of us can) agree that coming into this movement, the bankers were the problem. Don't get me wrong, I still think that they are. However, it seems that based on the solution that is provided, there is STILL NOT ENOUGH people who truly understand the economic situation to grasp a proper solution. The only problem I have is this - I am not against the ideals of the NWO, I am only against those who control it. I see the NWO as a double-edged sword. If humanity is in control, then we're completely free. If the NWO is in control of private hands, we will  be enslaved for our entire lifetime. No matter what we do (our occupation that is), we are building up the Technological System that is about to rule over the earth.

So the question remains.....WHO WILL BE IN CONTROL? US OR THEM???

yea thats an interesting take on it.  i really liked that last audio you did btw.  good stuff.
as for this movie, i have to say i can actually look at it in a somewhat different light after listening to that interview he did with alex.  i can appreciate it a lot more, and hearing him explain some shit made it go down a lot easier for me.  hes a really smart guy, i like his attitude.

on another note, i had a guy add me on facebook a month or so ago, he liked a post i made in some group.  so we msg'd each other back n forth a few times.. he saw from my 'notes' that i am fully ensconced in the 'truth movement', we were on the same page it appeared.. i told him what i thought of alex, he liked him, well basically said alex has his faults but hes woken a lot of ppl up, etc.  that was fine, i wasnt aboutto get in to all that shit..
so anyway after zeitgeist came out, i noticed he was yelling at some guy who was saying dont watch this movie... i liked this other guys take on the whole thing, so i added him.  then i saw on this guy's wall bruce lee chastising him for not supporting the movie.  saying how the hell did u get on my friends list in the 1st place, im deleting you, fuck off.  and so on..
so after seeing this i msgd bruce letting him know what i thought of the movie, and linked him to this thread so he could see what i had to say about it.  just today i went to msg him, asking if hed heard the interview alex did, and i see that he has deleted me from his friends  lol
i like that ppl are so passionate about this stuff, but shit man, this is a bit much.  because my opinion differed he deleted me.  and i even let him know off the bat that i did like the movie, and i will be promoting it..  fucked up, i dont get ppl like this.  

think like me, or fuck off, i guess is the way he is feeling...

[mobes]

think like me, or fuck off, i guess is the way he is feeling.

Those kind of people are still fresh into the movement. I felt the exact same way when I first started. It's more of an ego thing, I think. Hopefully his mind develops so that he can accept other peoples opinions.

[Loxxa]

Circus Show with Alex J and Zeitgeist creator

I thought this was pretty interesting to listen to thanks for posting it.

I thought it was FUNNY how Alex was countering him and his pompous attitude. I think that Peter (the Zeitgeist creator) MAYBE has overall good intentions but he is a hypocrite and Alex WAS right in pointing that out. Just giving some vague ideas doesn't mean much, there is no real solution... Why does he again push his anti-religious ideas when it's supposedly the "environmental conditioning" that is responsible for human behavior and societal constructs etc. basicly, he picks and chooses his information and uses examples that jive with HIS views! Well fine. Use religion as an example, but again we see the same focus on Christianity and Jesus, why not Judaism? Jewish influence has far more of an effect on our society. What the fuck do Christians do to further our "social construct"? all Christians do is get brainwashed by Zionists and Jews into ignorantly supporting Jewish interest and the Jewish dominated/created system furthing the end JWO. He FAILS at not exposing Zionism or the connections between our political system, monetary system and social systems of control and their links to the Zionists or Jews. He fails to explain the who and why, making it seem as though it's not an issue. He does that for one of a few reasons the main ones I consider is, A. He has reason not to expose it out of personal interest, perhaps he's working for them or has some kind of connection. or B. He's concerned with the audience judging him, gaining more popularity or doesn't want to be labeled, which is again a personal interest that is focused around his own gain.

But if you look at it again it reeks of the same nonsense we see all the time, it's just a further distraction away from other more important information, ideas and facts and is more like the Jewish mind control shit from Hollywood.

[GordZilla]

Circus Show with Alex J and Zeitgeist creator

I thought this was pretty interesting to listen to thanks for posting it.

I thought it was FUNNY how Alex was countering him and his pompous attitude. I think that Peter (the Zeitgeist creator) MAYBE has overall good intentions but he is a hypocrite and Alex WAS right in pointing that out. Just giving some vague ideas doesn't mean much, there is no real solution... Why does he again push his anti-religious ideas when it's supposedly the "environmental conditioning" that is responsible for human behavior and societal constructs etc. basicly, he picks and chooses his information and uses examples that jive with HIS views! Well fine. Use religion as an example, but again we see the same focus on Christianity and Jesus, why not Judaism? Jewish influence has far more of an effect on our society. What the fuck do Christians do to further our "social construct"? all Christians do is get brainwashed by Zionists and Jews into ignorantly supporting Jewish interest and the Jewish dominated/created system furthing the end JWO. He FAILS at not exposing Zionism or the connections between our political system, monetary system and social systems of control and their links to the Zionists or Jews. He fails to explain the who and why, making it seem as though it's not an issue. He does that for one of a few reasons the main ones I consider is, A. He has reason not to expose it out of personal interest, perhaps he's working for them or has some kind of connection. or B. He's concerned with the audience judging him, gaining more popularity or doesn't want to be labeled, which is again a personal interest that is focused around his own gain.

But if you look at it again it reeks of the same nonsense we see all the time, it's just a further distraction away from other more important information, ideas and facts and is more like the Jewish mind control shit from Hollywood.

I submit that Alex played exactly the part he was supposed to. To 'act the fool' and leave little doubt in the logical and mature mind as to who won the debate. More fuel to Zeitgeist's fire, supplied willingly by Alex.

Both are still crap.

Zeitgeist 2 is nothing more than an advertisement made for the Jewish elite to show off what they plan to have the remaining gentile slaves build for them in their 'perfect utopia' after the mass culling, of course.  Of course it can't work. Ideologists so easily, and to their own detriment, dismiss human nature.

Drop Zeitgeist 2 where we left the first one; in the trash.

-Gord