Re: HHQ on Mark Lane and Bollyn on Carto, Lane, Piper, AFP

[NibsNiven]

Mark is a highly ethical individual-- highly honest-- a tower of integrity

When I hear statements like that, my bullshit detector goes on high alert.

[MikeWB]

Personally, I think that Bollyn's compromised. There's just way too many unanswered questions about him.

[MikeWB]

MCP is talking about it now. He says that John Judge is spewing nonsense. I'll believe MCP over Bollyn any day.

[MikeWB]

I've been listening to MCP for a while now and I don't see what exactly is this man lying about. If he's lying, then he's doing a REALLY poor job since he's exposed so many things and he goes all the way.  He's also on JDL/ADL hit list so that's one validation too.

As for HHQ, I trust him too but I have no idea where he's getting his info from.

I'd check some of this before I'd throw mud in MCP's direction:


hxxp://search.adl.org/search?q=michael+ ... et=adl&oe=

(replace hxxp with http - link removed so ADL doesn't see referrer)

[MikeWB]

I think Piper adopted the 'Collins' to his name, not in honor of Michael Collins (Irish freedom-fighter and hero), but as a tribute to Frank Collins (jewish pedophile and neo-nazi leader).

What proof do you have?

[MikeWB]

Have you heard what DBS said about Bollyn? I wouldn't trust Bollyin with my dog! I have no idea what Bollyin's up to but I don't trust him with anything.

MCP has put his neck on the line and ADL has been after him so many times (and that's well documented). How many of his accusers have been threatened by ADL?! None.

[Hei Hu Quan]

Thankful that Bollyn came through on the credit to me and the forum. But I follow the message and not the personality behind it, so I don't really care to get involved in this stuff, unless it's really egregious like Alex Jones. Unless there's solid evidence on a confirmed shill, this just ends up as cannibalistic in-fighting that works to the enemy's advantage. That's why I much prefer to stick to the research and investigations, hunker down with the fighting masses and get the info out to the public. This other business just distracts and divides. But also let me be clear that those who are legitimately vetted out need to be exposed clearly and denounced fully for their collaboration, aid and acts of betrayal.

[Hei Hu Quan]

Wait until you discover that he was in army intelligence.

[Ognir]

my 2 cents, MCP has good info but the Lane connection has always been hard to swallow for me. The guy was at Jonestown and had to run across the island to escape, yeah right, sure he did.

However, Bollyn, whom I recently contacted to do a show, still no answer has way too many ODD things going on. Married a Jewess, speaks the language, worked and lived there and even worked for Mossad .....

However I'd prefer MCP over Bollyn but that's not saying to much, stick to the info

[Ognir]

From MikeWB ADL search

Long-time white supremacist and former Klan leader David Duke has been invited this week to the Persian Gulf country of Bahrain to discuss the "global struggle against Zionism" and promote theories blaming Israel for the September 11 attacks. Duke's anti-Semitic views have been embraced in the Middle East, where there has been a growing acceptance of Holocaust denial and other anti-Jewish beliefs.

Since September 11, Duke has reiterated his belief that Israel and the Mossad perpetrated the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

This is bullshit as Duke was still blaming the Arabs for the 911 attack until 2005

[NibsNiven]

... I follow the message and not the personality behind it ... Unless there's solid evidence on a confirmed shill, this just ends up as cannibalistic in-fighting that works to the enemy's advantage. That's why I much prefer to stick to the research and investigations ...

Journalists are taught that you cannot trust just one source. For any given factoid, you must have at least two independent sources before it is even usable. To do otherwise is to impugn not only your credibility, but the credibility of the institution that hired you.

Journalists are also taught that the personality of the source is irrelevant - only the info they provide matters. Personality is not the same as credibility. You just demonstrated that you know this.

How do I know? I was a journalist (of a sort) in a past life. I worked as a staffer for an MP. I was very good. They miss me. I got a lot of verifiable info from a lot of fucking douchebags who happened to be telling the truth. It's the slick salesman types you have to worry about...

You are not quite there yet, HHQ, but you're certainly on the right track. You have to get sources to trust you before they give you the real goods. Sources won't trust a hothead.

You need to understand that whoever you are talking to, they see no difference between a warning and a threat. I have no doubt whatsoever that you will figure that out through experience anyway. Why not learn it now, the easy way?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that you deny your feelings - just that you channel them. I'm a musician who learned to channel my stage fright into really intense shows. Some others who I play with never had stage fright - and to be honest, they're fairly boring to play with...

Am I making any sense?

[Hei Hu Quan]

You are not quite there yet, HHQ, but you're certainly on the right track. You have to get sources to trust you before they give you the real goods. Sources won't trust a hothead.

You need to understand that whoever you are talking to, they see no difference between a warning and a threat. I have no doubt whatsoever that you will figure that out through experience anyway. Why not learn it now, the easy way?

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that you deny your feelings - just that you channel them. I'm a musician who learned to channel my stage fright into really intense shows. Some others who I play with never had stage fright - and to be honest, they're fairly boring to play with...

Am I making any sense?

Thanks for your pointless conjecture, but it was totally un-elicited and thoroughly unnecessary. I don't know what you're even on about, but your armchair analysis of me is shit, especially when you know nothing whatsoever about my methodologies, or background. I don't like it, and considering how much work I dedicate to this I find your patronising little pseudo-analytics tiresome. This is the second irritating reply I've experienced from you on the forum within the space of 1 hour's read. I strongly advise you do a little introspection at the manner in which you level your replies and apprise yourself of the forum Rules and Code of Conduct.

When you start elevating your rate of investigations and contributions to the task of evidence gathering on the forum, then I'll consider your opinion. You want to know what sets me straight off? Working like a fucking clock investigating, researching and disseminating the evidence, only to have someone sitting on their fat ass come and toss up a half-assed critique. I am hardly in the mood for this shite and that's putting it mildly. We're working against time trying to fight the most intractable and evil cunts on the planet and THIS ghey shit is what you offer. Not bullets in the form of evidence, but instead pouring water on the powder and foppishly fucking about.

[Ognir]

I'm going to add a few more cents aimed at Nobodaddy aka &C

Man you are playing all 3 of them, DBS, EH & Bollyn, you just can't can't let one go
DBS broke the chains and you have to as well imho, Bollyn might be played by EH, EH is the weak point

Beating the suckers since 2002  :lol:

[NibsNiven]

Am I making any sense?

Thanks for your pointless conjecture, but it was totally un-elicited and thoroughly unnecessary. I don't know what you're even on about, but your armchair analysis of me is shit, especially when you know nothing whatsoever about my methodologies, or background. I don't like it, and considering how much work I dedicate to this I find your patronising little pseudo-analytics tiresome. This is the second irritating reply I've experienced from you on the forum within the space of 1 hour's read. I strongly advise you do a little introspection at the manner in which you level your replies and apprise yourself of the forum Rules and Code of Conduct.

No need. I'm out of here. Congratulations BTW, on demonstrating exactly what I was talking about.

[Hei Hu Quan]

And thank you for contributing nothing of value.

[blueocean]

Wasn't the topic Mark Lane, Bollyn, Carto, Lane, Piper, AFP?  

[Canard]

There are ppl in the RBN chatroom currently who are claiming to have proof the servers go to govt ip's.  Some fella in there was claiming he has a ton of chat logs that will substantiate this.  All the regulars are no longer there.  Side note; they have THE EXACT same flash chat, setup the same way as the one on DISINFO dickheads site at Breakfornews. Coincidence? Possiblly and this may be a common chat app, all things considered, its not reassuring.

Apparently Mark Glenn has more info on this recent incident.  There should be a forthcoming blog if this is true, at least that's what the guy claiming the gov't op connection said aswell as post his proof on the on the RBN forum.

Eustace has also claimed he doesn't trust Carto because he can't be sure of his actions and intent even after knowing him for so long. Is this really a surprise?  I have learned SOME useful things from the RBN crowd, chiefly some info on Ben Hecht and Robert Mitchum questioning the 'caust, but they support RON PAUL who's in the zio-book writing club, has zio-advisors and is holding onto the the millions he collected after not asking for a recount.

Lastly Mark Lane? He dated Eleanor Roosenveld and worked for,......Southern Poverty Law. Nuff said.

Bollyn's last big contribution was the exposing of Chertoff's relationship to the Ben Chertoff who wrote that Pop Mechanics article.  While that was crucial, I dunno whats up with him now.

Piper I listen to but can't say I get a good sense he is 100% on the level.  It seems his job is to bicker about Eric HS and formerly DBS. There is a gatekeeping, goin on by him; the Ron Paul thing being a major one.  He is like the next notch in (safer) from other Nationalist movement etc.

[Canard]

Something about him verifying in the chatroom a char named Rita ( a benefactor of sorts) who is throwing weight around in the chatroom, donating specific amounts to RBN.  She is also locking up peoples chat so they have to drop and re-enter.  Happened to me a few times when trying to ask about this in there.  

I'm not claiming anything is verified or makes any sense I just wanted to get this down and sharing it with you guys and now Im going to do what I can to sort this out.  Maybe we can all do some investigating, at least that was my thought.  Just goto the RBN chatroom there are people chatting about it.  If you can ask Glenn what's up with Rita although it seems all the regulars have been scared off.  youll have to email him.  

There is a thread in the RBN forum as well search for Rita.  She calls into RBN alot and I noticed then tend to allow her to go on and on whenever she does call a show.  I remember her on Daryl's show way back when, before his own website.  That's assuming a. its the same lady and b. its not some impersonator.

Note: when someone did accuse her of being up to no good, I expressed I wasn't surprised as with  regards to RBN I've ALWAYS suspected something.  She then PM slams me, which you can't close unless you leave the chat and close the browser window.  The pm said something like; 'I don't want to hear anymore of your jewish crap'  Which is a hilarious thing for me to be accused of spreading.  PPl have recommended turning off Java can stop this, I haven't been  back yet to try.  They said she's been spouting off with racist anti jewish comments, I didn't see that specifically when in there, if this guy isn't full of it and produces a blog with chat logs that others will verify well then we are in business.

remember keep you sense of humor guys this shit can drag you down.

Later gators