need some help-religion..

[Ralph Furely]

i got this msg from some dink on youtube, not sure to which video this is from, but he sent it to me last night..

You have very much misunderstood and have no idea what you are talking about. Whatever this schofield bible you are referring to which i do not have. I have the new king james version which is the best translated universally agreed from the original greek text.You dont know the bible very well. Infact i suggest you go and read it first and quote correctly. I have read the bible several times and Jesus who you refer as making comments to jews as being a brood of vipers is completely incorrect. He was speaking to the pharisees nd saducees. Have you ever read the bible or is this hearsay?
Why are you so anti jewish and hate them? you cannot sit on the fence. Jesus said you are for me or against me? Jesus said i am the way not a way like buddha said. Jesus had the sign above him on the cross which said the king of the jews which he is. God the father said i am has spoken and i am the God of Israel the God of abraham isaac and jacob.If you are against Israel you are against God the father and the son.Woh to you if you do. By the way we believe in the same God as the jews not the muslims who believe in Allah who is the moon god that is talked about in the old testament when people worshipped the moon.why is it that they have a moon as a crescent? read http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm. i respect that you are coming from where you are coming from. regards

so, i can do a pretty good job getting back to him myself, but i dont know a whole lot about some of the religious stuff, as im sure most of you guys do.
i plan on sending back some of the quotes like the synagogue of satan, the den of vipers, etc.  also some stuff on how judaisms god certainly is not the same as christians, and so on..
he obviously needs some lessons on the scofield bible which hes never even heard of..
also about the king james bible.  im not sure how the deal goes there..was this written after all the footnotes were changed viz the scofeild?  or what.

jut need some all around help and stuff before i get back to him.  much appreciated.

[Roy Hobs]

This guy sounds like members of my family.  

I hate to say it, but you will probably get nowhere with this guy.  He won't "listen".  

But regardless.........................

The "new king james version" that he is quoting is not what he claims it to be.  Supposedly, the NKJV is just a tranlsation from the King James Version that better fits modern English.  

But there are so many who say that the King James Version is the only Bible that God approves.  This is another stupid argument.  The NKJV is not the most, or widely accepted translation.  In fact it is just as faulty as others that this guy might critisize.  

I would say personally, that the King James Version is probably the most accurate as to how it translates the original languages, but even the King James Version makes many errors as to how it translates certain Greek words.  

In regards to the Scofield reference bible, this is nothing more than a "commentary" on Biblical passages.  The Scofield reference bible is NOT a tranlsation.  Many people get confused with this.  Even Daryl continues to make this mistake.  It is what people within the christian community would call a 'study bible', in that at the bottom of the pages, it provides 'study helps' and 'interpretations' of the Scripture.  

That's all.  

The Scofield reference bible is NOT a re-written edition of what Christians would consider the "original" texts.  

In regards to his other statements about the differences between Jews...................

It could be said that Jesus was only speaking to those Jews during the 1st century who were following after "Oral Teachings" and not just sticking to the "written" teachings, or the teachings handed down from Moses.  So in a sense, this guy has a point.  But the problem with his argument, is that (according to Christianity) following the death of Jesus, then every Jewish person who continues in the Judaic tradition would still fall under the category of "the synagogue of satan" if you will.  

Jesus was indeed rebuking those Jews who were diverting away from the written law and mixing in Oral teaching.  The Pharisees and Sadducees were indeed "twisting" what was then considered the spoken word of God.  The Apostles refered to this as "teachings of men".  Not the word of God.

So............the guy makes a point to a certain degree.  But then he is totally lost as he equates all Jews with Jesus.  His argument fails on many points.

I'm telling you................the way this guy talks, is very familiar to me and, this guy just won't listen.  Believe me...................I've tried hundreds of times to get through to people like this guy.  

If you are going to go back to this guy, I wouldn't argue with him on the different translations.  It makes really no difference what Bible someone uses.  As long as the user does his due dilligence to find as close as possible a translation of the original word used in Greek.  When I studied the Bible, I used upwards of 5 different translations and well as dictionaries and classical literature to try to find the best possible translation of a word in question.

I would come at this guy with the angle of "Who is a Jew"?  

I would give him the information of the difference between Sephardic and Ashkenazi.  And then also stress to this guy that after the death of Jesus, anyone (even a Jew) who doesn't believe in Jesus would fall into the category of that which Jesus spoke.  

According to Christian theology, anyone who does not believe in Jesus, is of the devil.  Period.  And any Christian who tries to tell you different is totally lying.  

So.............even though this guy may believe (wrongly I might add) that Jews are God's chosen people, as long as they are in UNbelief, they are still children of the devil.  

You might also ask this guy if a Japaneese person converts to Judaism, does that now make him a "Chosen Person"?  If he is honest with himself, he has to say "no".  So then you can make the argument that the Jews of today are Turkish/Russian in genetics, and therefore are not "Chosen people" even though they may consider themselves to be Jewish by religion.


I hope this makes sense.  If you want to talk to me further, we could have a conversation PM or I could even call you.  

Good luck

[Roy Hobs]

".....If you are against Israel you are against God the father and the son.Woh to you if you do....."


Ask this guy if he was against the Moors occupation of Israel at the turn of the millennium.  

In other words, when the Arabs controlled Palestine, would he have made the same statement above?  

The Crusaders (as an example) condemned the Arab occupation of Israel.  Would the Crusaders then be in violation of God's decree?  

This guy (idiot really) would have to say "No".  

So then you have now an open door to inform this guy that those who occupy Israel today are neither God's Chosen people.  So to critisize Israel currently, is not bringing judment upon oneself for speaking out against God (Israel).  

It would be more accurate to say to this guy.............."Woe unto you" for supporting the children of the devil - the Khazars.

[Ralph Furely]

awesome thanks a lot man. this will help me greatly.  
i agree, there really is no hope with these ppl, but im at least gonna send him this one response, just so he doesnt think he got me and i have no reply.
as with the jewish woman i was msging back and forth with a few months ago... ill give them a msg or two filled with facts.  after that i wont put up with
their nonsense i will just ignore him.  

thanks again.  your knowledge from so much studying of the bible and what not is valuable in this info war.. so much dis info ppl have been eating up for so long..

[high_treason]

RF the website http://www.christianzionism.org has a lot of helpful materials for that, they say a CZ can be of any denomination even an orthodox, because of the parasitic nature of CZ spreading of disinformation, as they essential msg of any CZ the first question to ask them is...
"do you think that the nation of israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy?"

If yes like this guy then what was Jesus Christ???

http://www.christianzionism.org/Bible.asp

This has a collection of articles regarding what the Bible says as compared to what those CZ nutbags say. Its all written by many American ministers who are seeing their religion being hijacked as CZ's correct name is dispentialism.

[high_treason]

Almost forgot, also the covenant was made with Ibraham (PBUH) not Jacob (Israel) (PBUH), so that would automatically include Arabs since they are the seed of Ismael (PBUH) more info in the link above

[Ralph Furely]

perfect.  thanks, and thanks for the links.  good stuff!  i can send these to some other retards otherwise known as my religious friends

[GordZilla]

Some other things to consider;

The Scofield Bible was written by a criminal for criminals to be used for criminal intent ...period.

Israel – is a man, not a place.

The sign above Jesus' head actually read "King of the Judeans" Which was placed there, with great sarcasm, by the Romans. The word "Jew" did not exist at that time, and would not for some time to come.

Also use his own words against him "I am the way, the light and the life, none will see the Father but thru me"  so how could the Jews be God's children? (if he believes himself to be a Christian he has a huge paradox right there in his own words)

Oh and remind him of one other lesser known fact;

Jesus was/is the original 'anti-Semite'  

[Ralph Furely]

good stuff, thanks.  ill use this after i read his reply, if i decide to keep it going with him