Create your own money ?

[targa2]

Germans Get by Without the Euro - January 26th, 2007

If you live in the Bavarian region of Chiemgau, you can exist for months at a time in a euro-free zone of hills and lakes with a population of half a million people. Restaurants, bakeries, hairdressers and a network of supermarkets will accept the local currency: the Chiemgauer. Notes are exchanged freely like legal tender. You can even use a debit card. Petrol stations are still a problem, but biofuel outlets are signing up. Dentists are next. The Chiemgauer is one of 16 regional currencies that have sprung into existence across Germany and Austria since the launch of the euro five years ago.

Another 49 regions are in the pipeline. They are outside the control of the political authorities, mostly run by activists, farmers, eco-enthusiasts, anti-globalists, and citizen committees.

Some are rural, others circulate like underground money in Berlin and Bremen. Hamburg has two: the Alto and the Hansemark. Italy has its version in the Valchius Valley, in the Alps.

The phenomenon, not seen since the Great Depression, has left experts scratching heads at the Bundesbank. The mighty reserve bank, which issues euro notes and coins worth €146bn for a third of the eurozone economy, is relaxed about the risk of monetary anarchy. But it is sufficiently puzzled to publish a 63-page report probing the eruption of this movement.

[Ognir]

The problem is still MONEY

[targa2]

Why is the problem money Og?  I thought the problem was interest/debt and the contractual obligations the " use of the money" creates.  Money is just a tool. It's the way we utilize it that is the problem.

[sullivan]

Precisely. The twin problem of money as interest-bearing debt and money as commodity are the root of the problem. Money as a means of exchange is not the problem.

[targa2]

Exactly.  What the Germans have done in this region is make use of Community Currency.  I have tried to get people on this forum to have some response to the idea of Community Currency for a while now.  NADA.  NON-RESPONSIVE.  For those who claim to want solutions we sure don't act like it.

We can go on with all this " it's the Jews, it's the Jews, it's the Jews " stuff 'til we are hoarse .  It may be correct and it may be justified but... 1) we all know that story, and ........ 2) it solves nothing.

Just look what happened in Argentina within the last 10 years and you will see what C.C. can accomplish.  After all,  we are the source of the issuance of the money anyway !  The financial institutions are simply a WITNESS to the transaction.  As a witness, they charge an absolutely outrageous fee, enslave us through "adhesion contracts" in their game of international commerce, and become the dictator presiding over every facet of our lives.  All this as a rental fee for the " use of THEIR MONEY ".

It is not because it IS money, that we have this problem.  It is because it is THEIR money !

[mobes]

True, it is their money. We have a real problem here because we are using their money, not our own money. We have every legal right to create our own money and use it. The problem is, very few people are aware of that. Also, you can use a remittance as money. I'll discuss that further in my next show. Good posting.

[targa2]

You are a very clear headed young man Mobes. At least I thought you said you were young? 23 or something like that?

[MikeWB]

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Subject: Everybody should write one of these to the IRS

Actual 'Letter to the Editor' from the February 5th edition of the Wichita Falls, Texas Times Record News...


Dear IRS,

I am sorry to inform you that I will not be able to pay taxes owed April 15, but all is not lost.

I have paid these taxes: accounts receivable tax, building permit tax, CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax, fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax, liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax (up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational vehicle tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility tax, vehicle license registration tax, capitol gains tax, lease severance tax, oil and gas assessment tax, Colorado property tax, Texas, Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma and New Mexico sales tax, and many more that I can't recall but I have run out of space and money.

When you do not receive my check April 15, just know that it is an honest mistake. Please treat me the same way you treated Congressmen Charles Rangle, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and ex-Congressman Tom Daschle and, of course, your boss Timothy Geithner. No penalties and no interest.

P.S. I will make at least a partial payment as soon as I get my stimulus check.

Ed Barnett
Wichita

[mobes]

The problem is still MONEY

The way I see it, The problem is our belief in money. Remember, it is FIAT currency....money based on faith alone, not backed by anything physical. That's easy to understand. No currency will ever have the chance to succeed if nobody has faith in it. Not even gold. But that is something tangible. Remember, we are operating in bankruptcy. The source of the money system's operation is us - the people. Slowly our consciousness is being shifted to accept a digital currency. Not convinced? Go to your local grocery store and look at the credit card and debit card terminals there. Talk about a cashless society, it's already here - it's just not in full force yet.

[targa2]

However,  there has never been more than 5% cash, as a percentage of total money supply in our lifetimes.  We are currently at about 1.8% cash.
The fear of a cashless society is unfounded IMHO. Not that I am an advocate for it, for I am not. It is only because the machinery by which we are controlled is more complete than even those who are " awake " can contemplate.  For all we know, the eventualities that we perceive as being forthcoming may in fact be happening currently. After all, the powers that be could already be rounding people up and imprisoning them by the thousands.  How would most of us know? The physical wars that we are expecting to take place may have been a "loss leader" to keep our eyes focused in the wrong direction, while the Gremlins erect an even more insidious mode of control.  Let's face it. We were all born into this bondage. Many of us are waking up to SOME of the reality late in life. Most are only vaguely aware.

Money is a creature of law.  By the very USE of it we are enslaved in a legal prison that even most patriots cannot, and will not, comprehend.  Most of this law , in fact, is not even written down.  It is implied by our actions. Our acceptance of what appears as a benefit has bound us to a labyrinth of control measures that no-one is obligated to tell us about, but will surely be there to snare us, when we finally decide to take some long overdue action.
When push comes to shove, we will all be made an offer we just can't refuse.  We will accept it because it will seem like the right thing to do at the time and because that is what we have always done.

We simply cannot pay it ALL back. When we fail to do so en masse, we will be given an alternative.  It will appear to be a fair and just offer. We will accept without asking what we pledged in return. Another invisible web will be spun. The deck gets shuffled and a new game begins. Nothing changes.

Until we understand the law, we are doomed.

[§N9sh2bj]

you already do create your own money, every day. you just do not know it.

when you deposit tender at a bank, you are de-positing them. they are no longer yours and they are the banks.

in return, you become a banker. you already are under terms of the bankruptcy i believe, look it up.

notice the fine print on the bottom right of your bank checks, on the line you endorse them with your signature. "Authorized Representative".

That's right, you are an authorized representative of the bank. You are a banker.

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Now, when you sign on the line of the death wager contract, and the bank magically creates the tender out of nothing, on a computer, based on the value of your signature, what have they sacrificed?
Who backs the currency?

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

I think they are referring to charging interest on the currency? This is where it gets ugly.

[mobes]

That's right, you are an authorized representative of the bank. You are a banker.

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Now, when you sign on the line of the death wager contract, and the bank magically creates the tender out of nothing, on a computer, based on the value of your signature, what have they sacrificed?
Who backs the currency?

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

I think they are referring to charging interest on the currency? This is where it gets ugly.

Wait a minute.....are you saying we as individuals have the power to create money at will based on our signature?   Holy **** that's dangerous....No wonder the banks are literally fighting to keep this current system alive!

[QuiteCharming]

When I lived in Columbus, Ohio, we had someting like this in one of the suburbs on a very small scale. Basically, the local commerce board would print up "our money" and people could exchange their dollars for the new currency. They could then take that currency and use it where it was accepted (local businesses) and get products or services at a discounted rate. It was pretty popular at the time, but didn't catch on to other areas. I suppose the fundamental problem with money is that to avoid an eventual collapse, money has to have some type of value established.  But since the world money demand is always increasing, it would be hard to find enough of anything to back the value with. Even when you go back to ancient civilizations, you can see that they also had occasional breakdowns when their medium of exchange lost value. I guess, in theory, money could work if somehow it could be assigned a universal, non-changing value. But I don't see that happening anytime soon, so I think we'll have to deal with the ups and downs of the money cycle.
I've always wondered what it would be like to live in a society without money. As a bankster, the concept is very exciting. I'm not sure how it would work, but I'm assuming it would require a major shift in human attitudes, some major advance in technology (like 0 point energy), and probably a major reduction in the population.

[sullivan]

The way I see it, The problem is our belief in money. Remember, it is FIAT currency....money based on faith alone, not backed by anything physical.

Just remember that FIAT means 'decree'. Fiat money has value because the government says it has value. It is currency because the government says it is currency.

[targa2]

What backs our money is labor.  Without labor nothing tangible has value because there is no-one to turn it into something useful.  Monetary realists have an old humorous parable statement that says " you can put a ton of gold on a piano , but it will never play Mozart".

Rule one of the 10 commercial commandments is  " A workman is worthy of his hire ".  If we delve into that a little and examine it we can start by looking first at what is implied and what must be defined.   There are a couple of implications. Firstly, it does not say " gold is worth its keep"  or" food is worth its eating" or  " a beast of burden is worth its weight in salt " .  These are all but implements of mans usage.  It is a profound statement that could easily be glossed over without introspection, yet it remains profound nonetheless.

" Worthy "......what does this mean?   If you go back to the etymological meaning of worth, it means " equivalent to ".    Also, what is " his hire ". It means " his labor " . Work is " applied energy  ".   So what we have is a statement that basically says that labor is the only measurement of value.

This statement came from The Torah which is a book of law.  A very old legal maxim ( a foundational truth in law ) states that  " the inclusion of one thing is the exclusion of all others "    So.... by stating the declaration " A workman is worthy of his hire " in law, make the declaration that all other measurements of value are worthless. !!!   Labor is value.  Nothing else.  All else is an illusion.

I know what your thinking.  " It's a lot to read into a simple statement."    Indeed it IS !!   Maybe it was meant to be that way.