Catch 22 Radio - Chief Rabbi vs Goyim

[mgt23]

New Show

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=019e ... f6e8ebb871


Billboards of theinfounderground.com outside lodges, mi6?  

The role of silence and spontaneity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1160972/The-far-right-march-rise-fascism-Austria.html
http://www.thecst.org.uk/docs/Incidents_Report_sixmonths.pdf
http://www.thecst.org.uk/index.cfm?content=31
http://www.chiefrabbi.org/
http://www.chiefrabbi.org/speeches/lambethconference28july08.html

How to wage counter-psychic warfare.

http://www.chiefrabbi.org/speeches/lambethconference28july08.pdf

Then how come most jewish business is done on contract backed with guns
and not on limited damage trust exchanging?

With motto of by deception we wage war-even a covenant could be deceived
ref Lucifer

Economists call it social capital. Economists are twats.

Society will almost certainly survive without religion because they see
the importance of the species. Religious apocalyptic religions do not.

Morality is based on what is best for the species, we trusted, we became
powerful.
We are greedy, so this process reverses.
We have an inbuilt evolutionary judgment day.

Families wane when in usury led poverty, thats why the brake down in
values ref Homosexuality promotion gender bias.

this pdf omfg reads like the plan....
is refs, code to others?

You intended to harm me,
but God intended it for good,
to do what is now being done,
to save many lives.

Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Zoroastrians
and Baha'i.

hmmmm
Ark theory

Too long we have dwelt in the valley of tears.
Let us walk together towards the mountain of the Lord,
Side-by-side, Hand in hand,
bound by a covenant of fate that turns strangers into friends.
In an age of fear, let us be agents of hope.
Together let us be a blessing to the world.

They're coming people and they want it all !!!!!!
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[GordZilla]

Hi Catch,

 Well crafted and interesting show. Seems you have an open mind, one capable of swinging from the far left all the way over,  as you say. You also mentioned something like that you are putting this out to your peers.  Well, I will assume I am one of them, and I'd like to offer you a piece which I think you may find interesting, judging by your apparent open-mindedness, and thirst for knowledge. It's a piece I found thanks to Ognir, a piece a fellow named George Gordon produced.

 Please give this a listen and tell me(or us) your thoughts;

http://library.georgegordon.com/node/1543

I don't suspect you'll get threw the whole series, even with your open mind, but please do yourself a favor and at least listen to the first one.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it.
Sincerely,
Gord

[mgt23]

I have a goalkeeper mentality. I listened to the audio and to be fair greg is a great debater. However i'm only interested in perfect logic and experience. If a document is contradictory then i will suspect it. I will then look at other ways of extracting value.

The ark has already been built and i'm convinced the chosen are going in 2x2 right now.


The bible is a code not a history. In my esoteric opinion it is written in the "language of the

birds".

I'm a fan of logic and experience. Not science. Nor the Bible.


http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4727730/101_Contradictions_In_The_Bible

10.How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the

Ark?
(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

35.Would Jesus inherit David's throne?
(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was
cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David's throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

77. (a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
(b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)

92.Does God change his mind?
(a) Yes. "The word of the Lord came to Samuel: "I repent that I have made Saul King..." (I Samuel 15:10
to 11)(b) No. God "will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent" (I Samuel 15:29)
(c) Yes. "And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel" (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that
the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that
God repented on several other occasions:
i. "The Lord was sorry that he made man" (Genesis 6:6)
"I am sorry that I have made them" (Genesis 6:7)
ii. "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people" (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).


Take a look at how easily the Bible pretends to be "complete" with this short extract on the secret gospel of Mark(never mind the book of enoch)


From the letters of the most holy Clement, the author of the Stromateis.

To Theodore.
You did well in silencing the unspeakable teachings of the Carpocrations.
For these are the "wandering
stars" referred to in the prophecy, who wander from the narrow road of
the commandments into a boundless
abyss of the carnal and bodily sins. For, priding themselves in
knowledge, as they say, "of the deep things of
Satan", they do not know that they are casting themselves away into "the
nether world of the darkness" of
falsity, and boasting that they are free, they have become slaves of
servile desires. Such men are to be
opposed in all ways and altogether. For, even if they should say
something true, one who loves the truth
should not, even so, agree with them. For not all true things are the
truth, nor should that truth which merely
seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth,
that according to the faith.
Now of the things they keep saying about the divinely inspired Gospel
according to Mark, some are
altogether falsifications, and others, even if they do contain some true
elements, nevertheless are not reported
truly. For the true things, being mixed with inventions, are falsified,
so that, as the saying goes, even the salt
loses its savor.
As for Mark, then, during Peter's stay in Rome he wrote an account of the
Lord's doings, not, however,
declaring all of them, nor yet hinting at the secret ones, but selecting
what he thought most useful for
increasing the faith of those who were being instructed. But when Peter
died a martyr, Mark came over to
Alexandria, bringing both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he
transferred to his former book the
things suitable to whatever makes for progress toward knowledge. Thus he
composed a more spiritual Gospel
for the use of those who were being perfected. Nevertheless, he yet did
not divulge the things not to be
uttered, nor did he write down the hierophantic teaching of the Lord, but
to the stories already written he
added yet others and, moreover, brought in certain sayings of which he
knew the interpretation would, as a
mystagogue, lead the hearers into the innermost sanctuary of that truth
hidden by seven veils. Thus, in sum,
he prepared matters, neither grudgingly nor incautiously, in my opinion,
and, dying, he left his composition
to the church in 1, verso Alexandria, where it even yet is most carefully
guarded, being read only to those
who are being initiated into the great mysteries.
But since the foul demons are always devising destruction for the race of
men, Carpocrates, instructed by
them and using deceitful arts, so enslaved a certain presbyter of the
church in Alexandria that he got from
him a copy of the secret Gospel, which he both interpreted according to
his blasphemous and carnal doctrine
and, moreover, polluted, mixing with the spotless and holy words utterly
shameless lies. From this mixture is
drawn off the teaching of the Carpocratians.
To them, therefore, as I said above, one must never give way; nor, when
they put forward their falsifications,
should one concede that the secret Gospel is by Mark, but should even
deny it on oath. For, "Not all true
things are to be said to all men"

(----GOD I HATE DUPLICITY AMONGST BOLLOCKS----)

 For this reason the Wisdom of God,
through Solomon, advises, "Answer the
fool from his folly", teaching that the light of the truth should be
hidden from those who are mentally blind.
Again it says, "From him who has not shall be taken away", and "Let the
fool walk in darkness". But we are
"children of Light", having been illuminated by "the dayspring" of the
spirit of the Lord "from on high", and "Where the Spirit of the Lord is",
it says, "there is liberty", for "All things are pure to the pure".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpocratians

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3833460/Anti-Creationist_Videos

my favorite if you wish to know is dendrochronolgy of tree rings

[Anonymous]

hmmm

Sacc's son aka Saxon aka Sacks

building a sustainable community - lol

also

I doubt that Carpocrates was a real person when they say he was.

tks

[Ognir]

I will try to hookup with mgt on saturday afternoon to do a join broadcast
If timing works out for us both

[mgt23]

if you want to know HOW i know war is coming and WHY i think the getting gold and sitting back and smoking a cigar approach is wrong watch the following...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3fNndy ... annel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Oqhf_Q- ... annel_page

How to balance the book in order to maintain power
1)Print money
2)Extract Money/Time
3)Kill the users of money reducing the population/currency in circulation ratio.

IMO on my show i am merely stating the obvious that eventually these criminals will steal so much money that power will collapse everywhere and WW3 will be the only option.

It is the discontinuance of M3 which is preventing me from informing you when WW3 will happen
http://www.federalreserve.gov/Releases/h6/discm3.htm
but lets face it....logic is going to take over and when it does...the shit storm is going to make them start running for those D.U.M.B'S

btw i think this Doctorknokka and co are seriously dangerous arseholes. their logic is compelling and a force to be reckoned with on the underground. notice the tinge of the "blackpopers" on his site.

[Tomas O'Crohan]

mgt23: I liked very much the audio you posted the other day other than the inference that "it's futile to resist, the Wizard of Oz is too powerful for us mere humans to resist." I don't care what technology they possess, it still must be operated by humans. If you've ever seen the videos "Winter Soldier" and "Yes sir, no Sir," the criminal war in Vietnam came to an end when U.S. soldiers started to "frat" their commanding officers when orders to commit genocide were given. Your English accent also made me wary, like when I hear the rantings of a Zionist, I immediately become suspicious and start looking closely for the wool that they're about to attempt to pull over my eyes. This is my prejudice I admit but 800 years of actual experience will "color" one's perception. Colonel Donn de Grande Pre (R.I.P.) asserted that 70% of the U.S. military remains loyal to the Constitution. We all better pray he's correct. The rank and file of the U.S. military is still the wild card as is the number of Americans who will resist "by all means necessary," knowing as we do that the "muscle" of this criminal organization is American. It's not futile to resist because our numbers exceed theirs to the hundredth power or more, even with all their technology. In fact, I think the signs are growing that our would be masters have lost control and "the plan" isn't working out quite as well as they thought. When the economy and all the once revered institutions have been thoroughly discredited, they think we're going to clamor for their "solutions" and greet them with flowers like the propaganda predicted with respect to Iraq. Instead, alas for the criminals, they're going to "greeted" with high velocity projectiles. I'm looking forward to it as are many others and we're only waiting for the right moment. "Timing is everything." I agree with the "leaderless" part. That is very true. Organic self-organization will follow.

I ain't made up my mind about you yet being the suspicious type that I am but my ears and mind are still open. The first audio I downloaded without problem. Is there some trick to the second one? I get an error message that "your id # is incorrect?"

[mgt23]

Can people pm me if you have any problems downloading audio 2 and i will upload it to rapidshare instead.
http://www.mediafire.com/?gzzjmyyoj24

that is funny shit in your post. it was because of what they learnt in Vietnam that S.D.I was initiated. The military weren't playing ball. At this point, the implementation of the plan in its "overt" state was handed over to the intelligence services across the globe. In essence that was what the false perestroika was about. They were mobilizing.

You are wrong about numbers mattering any more. You should have learned that from nukes(which were invented by the zionists to paralyze conventional warfare). You are going to be even more pissed when you see what Talon can do.....
Muscle is puny. The unexpected is what I fear.

Take this as a metaphor.... what good is your peashooters when you are looking down on the Goyiem from the International Space Station? ....and oh look I have a big flashing red button that the Goyiem bought for me.

as for me you dont understand the goyiem english mentality abroad...they hate each other and will kill anything anyway regardless of having a firing squad. A bit like the medieval swiss cantons who couldn't give a fuck.

My people where i come from were the last resistance in the uk and the brigantes were the last to stand against the zionists. My people were massacred. I am perhaps the last remanents of that resistance over here. So please dont use racist tones. Use paranoid tones, the rest of that i like because its that which will keep you alive.

You will note ognir how the brigantes spanned ireland as well as yorkshire and have a history of fighting infiltration. Look where hitler wanted to put the capital of the S.S. Not london but leeds, "Quarry Hill"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigantes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caratacus
Loidis
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Leeds

http://www.wrprovince.co.uk/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford%27s_Tower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_of_Lincoln
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyrack

[GordZilla]

I have a goalkeeper mentality. I listened to the audio and to be fair greg is a great debater. However i'm only interested in perfect logic and experience. If a document is contradictory then i will suspect it. I will then look at other ways of extracting value.

The ark has already been built and i'm convinced the chosen are going in 2x2 right now.


The bible is a code not a history. In my esoteric opinion it is written in the "language of the

birds".

I'm a fan of logic and experience. Not science. Nor the Bible. ...  

 Ok I'll admit my first post was a test, I was more interested in how firm your belief was in what you put forth, and it seems very firm indeed. Not open minded at all, which is weird from someone who has shifted his mind's position so extremely within his own lifetime. Most of us, I would presume, have done that also. I too am not that open minded. I have a 'goal tender' mentality and 'esoteric opinion' 's as well. (although I don't like to describe them that way.... I mean geez ...)

 First, for your cut and paste rebuttal, I can tell you obviously didn't make it thru hour one, let alone the 7 parts to that one series. I know this simply because some of what you retorted with was addressed, and quite soundly, by George in that very series. (I intend to listen to all his works, I'll let you know where he addresses the rest).

  I have passion, just like you, although it is for the other side of this argument. If you search my posts in this forum you'll see that, as well you will see links that, I believe, will put your evolution theory to shame in mere hours. I invite you to read thru them  however I certainly doubt you'll do this.  If you're like me you'll take very little interest in the opponent's arguments. I won't spend much time on anti-creationist materials, as you wouldn't on creationists' materials. Neither interest us much, respectively to our held positions.  We could argue pro and against on these ideas till we're blue in the face and neither of us will change our positions. This has been my experience. And there is what I want to hit on, right there; 'experience' or more aptly your statement;

'I'm a fan of logic and experience. Not science. Nor the Bible.'

  First let me step back for a moment, you don't know me from –and excuse the expression – Adam. So let me give you a little brief background. I am a pro God but anti church kinda truther. ( I am a sinner and know it and fear His judgment). I get a little passionate when people bash religion unashamedly within this forum – hell within this movement (I'm not accusing you of such – just stating where I'm coming from). Why? Well, I'm not going to make the same arguments I've already made in this forum –again please check my posts- but sufficed to say I believe the 'religious', the God fearing real ones – not the 'churchies'- are some of our best allies in this movement.    That comment always gets people going here in this forum, for one we're not supposed to talk religion and secondly the term 'religious' seems to be, in my experience, taken rather negatively  - at least around here, and especially when it's the 'Christian' form we're speaking about.  

 Another argument I've made in the past here at this forum is;  In my opinion, it is shear willful ignorance that's being displayed when these topics are simply written off as fairy tales. Is it out of pride that people do this? I've never understood it.  How I see it is; we're here gathered together trying to gain information on the greatest enemy mankind has ever faced and we ignore the very texts that spell out to us exactly what type of monsters we're up against. Their nature, their motives, their  master and their  plans. With incredible human insight and details into the very core of their being that would make Shakespeare hang his head in shame some 1500 years later when he completed The Merchant of Venice. Ok. You might argue 'it's not that old'  or  'it's been re-written so many times' etc (I've heard them all) to which I would retort; 'even if it was a mere 150 years old should we not still look into it?? It's evidence of this crime, and so much more. I mean it is the manual to the brain of our Talmudic Jew common enemy, with incredible insight into their very souls(or lack thereof). Both the Bible and the Quran hold this insight, and you would write it off as "bullocks"? I will state this much at least, here in this thread, on the topic of God - the book NAILS it when it comes to the Jew and what we're humbly 'uncovering' here at this forum.

 Atheism is merely a temporary condition, if you want to understand your enemy, then try to understand God (no He's not your enemy ..that's not what I'm saying   ). It's seems we're in here talking about 'Jews' and "Israel' and 'Satanism' as if NONE of it had any ties to the bible or the Quran.  Now where's the logic in that approach? However I can tell it is the approach you favor; you make that evident.

 Now all that being said let's get back to this topic of 'logic and experience' which you describe as your guiding rule. This 'guiding rule to knowledge' is,  I think,  all of ours- in this forum at least- it is certainly mine  (ironically it is also science's). However here's the crux; it is flawed for both of us, all of us. No one here is without bias to this topic one way or another, and no one here can use their 'logic' and live their 'experiences' without having them molded by their inherent biases. No one.  You will not look at my propaganda any more, nor for any longer, than I will look at yours.  Can we agree on that? I hope so. I think it would be dishonest of us not to.

 Why's it matter? What's the point?  The point is both, if not all of us, fall for our biases when trying to discern the truth for ourselves. We often fall victim to outside stimuli (media, public education etc) which in return adds bias to our logic and experience. Here's an example, one you made yourself on your first audio; You made the point about Hitler being a pro-Aryan nationalist, you did this while you were arguing against white nationalism I do believe. This statement of yours is heavily influenced by outside stimuli, outside propaganda. Let's break it down and see if there's any 'bias free' logic to it;  First I would contend, as I have in other forums, ' white nationalism' should not be seen as a negative ideology just as black nationalism shouldn't be nor Japanese nor Jewish etc.  If a people wish to segregate themselves that is something that shouldn't be discouraged nor encourage but instead left alone as long as they collectively do not try to supersede others. For the record not all white nationalist ideologies are about supremacy, more are about tradition and national heritage just as found to be true with other races. I have found, in my experience, people seem to segregate themselves by their own will. Familiarity, language or the overall feeling of comfort probably drives them to do so. And I am in Canada one of the most heavily multicultural places in the world. Regardless, most people seem to do it naturally and there is nothing wrong with it.  Most nationalist movements are kept close to the heart of the people's involved, this has been my experience, hell from 'gay pride' to 'Canada day' – some nationalistic ideas are actually celebrated, most in fact. There would seem to be only but a hand full of nationalist ideologies that are heavily frowned upon commonly in the western world. They are;  white, Christian, catholic, Islamic, German, Irish (sorry Og but sometimes).   Why is this? Outside influence perhaps? Have you fallen victim to it? I wager you have. Another example can be found in another part of your statement, admittedly it's not verbatim but definitely close to the mark, this 'pro Aryan' stance of Hitler's. Where did you get that? Was it because he had black hair and brown eyes? Was it because he allied with the Japanese? Had Arabs, blacks, Indians and even Jews join his army, willingly? Or perhaps an outside stimuli again helped you use your 'logic and experience' to form that opinion?

 Ok you see a pattern here? I can boldly say I don't fall prey to half of the disinformation you do because my bias is already everything they hate, not what they promote. Not much 'outside stimuli' for me going on that would help to bring more bias to my personal 'logic and experience' to form the opinions I have. There are reasons for this too, and it relates back –so obviously again, I might add- to the points I made earlier about religion. They will promote the snot out of disinformation, especially when it comes to Hitler, Christ, Mohammad, creationism – Nixon ( << just for fun). While they'll promote the hell out of evolutionism,  Darwinism, Freudianism, alien invasion etc.  You, my friend, would seem to have managed to crawl out of only half their lies. You still hold true to some of the very ideologies they so desperately want you to.  Atheists, evolutionists, feminists, humanists, - they love these types as much as  they hate nationalists, individuals and the terms like 'sovereignty' 'property rights' and 'interest free '  :lol: . They hate for people to hold the ideal that we are all individuals and equal under God. That none are more equal than others, or hold a more 'esoteric' existence – sorry but it fits    . Your bias on topics like Hitler, evolution and God will most likely never receive much resistance from their thought police. Your opinions seem, to me at least, to be already heavily influenced by their bias and I'm quite sure they are just fine with it. – Like blaming 'Zionists' instead of Talmudic Jews ...'see it was just these top few, but we got'm ..   move along .... it's ok now'.

  The bible and the Quran are ALWAYS their first and foremost targets, and for good reason. Belief in God, requires the belief and practice of His laws. The practice of God's laws, when practiced by nations of people, tend to lead – as we've seen (or 'experienced' if you like) repeatedly in the past - to  be their undoing.   This is why I say to you; the 'God fearing' ones are our biggest allies, our best allies. The atheist is theirs, unwittingly so.

 All of the above is my opinion, wrought from logic and experience with little media bias. They simply don't support nor encourage my ideas as well as they do yours. 'Truth' is the ultimate goal right? Neither of us will ever be fully there, but perhaps you might want to re-think a few things, there's still much more to learn for all of us. From day one we are educated in their schools. Taught their lessons. Influenced by their media, music etc. Over time I've learned a safe rule; see what they promote most, and you'll find some of the biggest lies ever put forward...hell just start at the holocaust.  And don't think that God is something they promote, it is always their personal God they promote, not humanity's. Even this Rabbi here that you used for an example knows better than that, but most Jews in my experience believe in an entirely different concept of God then the one shared by the other so-called monolithic religions - if they believe in one at all.

 Yes I'm long winded, I'm admittedly not nearly as articulate as you but I hope my point comes across. It just takes me a long time to put it 'to paper' as it were. Also these are rather difficult and tedious topics to speak of in the first place, this is uncharted ground that most of us walk here. So I apologize for its length. I also want you to know this is not meant to be insulting, If I can't reach you with this, perhaps I may reach others to re-think some of their current positions. I feel the need to do this, quite passionately, because I feel there is a good tool here that we're collectively over looking, and one they hope we never utilize in its truest and fullest potential, as we've done in the past. I also feel the need to provide a counter to your arguments only to keep the debate balanced and as 'open minded' as it can be. My points may, in fact, be a very poor counter and will almost certainly be countered themselves ...but I'm at the right forum for that, right?

-Gord

[Tomas O'Crohan]

mgt23: Thank-you for your reply and the new link which worked like a charm. Soren Kierkegaard, the Danish philosopher, although a rabid Christian, was nevertheless a profoundly interesting character. He stated the following: "I never asked to come here [the insane asylum known as Planet Earth]. Had my permission been sought, it would have been withheld. With whom do I lodge my complaint?" My sentiments exactly. So let's see, on top of all the other things I have to worry about, things that are worthy of concern and demonstrably so, I now have to worry about a Death Ray from the International Space Station? I think not. Foreign troops dressed in "United Nations" uniforms crossing the Brooklyn Bridge accompanied by a pronouncement that they are there "in order to keep the peace," now that's a worry that I can get excited about and can take action to oppose. I admit, I'm utterly powerless over Death Rays from the Space Station and should that turn out to be a real cause of worry, instead of worrying about it, I'm going to look forward to joining Soren Kierkegaard and we can compare notes about how sucky life on earth was, or, if such a meeting is not possible, which I'm pretty sure it is not, I'll re-enter the realm of eternal unconsciousness from which I came and I'll never worry about anything ever again.

In your first audio, you declared or at least implied that you had an intelligence background. If I said that to you, wouldn't you naturally be suspicious and rightly so (not to mention your English accent [I don't know how to work the smiley buttons, otherwise I would have put one here])? "My tribe" are those individuals around the globe of whatever color or stripe who seek the truth above all else and who want to live in a world free of masters and parasites. Are you really an ex-intelligence officer who broke with "the plan" and who now wants the world to know the truth about what's really happening and thus qualifies for full membership in "my tribe"? If this is true, welcome to the fold brother, we have great things ahead of us in planning the destruction of our would be masters. I think, however, I'll withhold judgment about your qualifications for admission, just for now, if you don't mind. I did like both of your audios, however, especially the first one, and I like that your last request before death would be the same as mine, a cigarette. You should watch Bill Hicks' video where he asks the members of the audience who are non-smokers to raise their hands and hoot and shout. Once getting the vast majority of his audience raise their hands and demonstrate "how special" they are, Mr. Hicks then told them: "I'd quit smoking if I could do it and not become like one of you people." Sweet.

So let's test your theory briefly. We have the Death Ray and other such otherworldly instruments of instantaneous destruction on a global scale but at the same time we have the propagandists engaged in a global herding exercise with such scams as global warming, peak oil, chips on the "wheelie bins" in England measuring Mom and Pop's garbage, RFID plans, massive government surveillance of everything we do (including this missive), Patriot Act I and II, Methane Tax on all livestock, planned gun registration as a prelude to confiscation here in the U.S. (if H.R. 45 gets passed and becomes "law"), Britney "forgot" to put on underwear before her "unfortunate" exit from the limousine, Bernie Madoff failed to follow the dictates of his religion when he ripped off all those "poor people", etc., ad nauseum. If they're ready to push the button on the death ray, why all the energy trying to herd the masses? If you have and plan to use the death ray, all this subterfuge is wholly unnecessary, superfluous and a waste of good ink and paper, is it not? This reminds me of the great line in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" where "the Ugly" character is taking a bath and is suddenly confronted by a man with a gun who has been seeking him out for decades with the intent of wrecking vengeance for an age-old grievance. The man with the gun starts to blabbermouth about the just cause of his grievance, how long he has waited to avenge it and what things in particular of a gruesome nature he's going to commit on the person of "the Ugly." Suddenly, a gunshot rings out and the man with the gun drops dead of a gunshot wound. "The Ugly," you see, had a gun himself hidden underneath the bath bubbles. "The Ugly" then simple declares to the now dead man, "if you're going to shoot, shoot, don't talk." This is the advice that someone ought to give to the possessors of the "Death Ray."

Nevertheless, keep the audios coming, I've enjoyed both of the ones you've posted so far. Just understand that you're in a tough crowd here and we insist on testing purported information and will not accept unsupported assertions. This seems fair enough does it not? I would want others to test anything I proposed and would expect it in fact. In a world of deceit, those bent on discovering the truth have to do such things, non?

By the way, what's up with the Freemason link showing the area lodges in a part of England attached to your reply? I was pleased to read on the link that your good Freemasons in that good part of England, "reveal our membership when there is or might be a conflict of interest." That's sweet. I was also pleased to read that "inquiries are welcome" That's double sweet.

When DBS became too effective, some "buddies" showed up to darken his doorstep and "lead him astray." He's not the only example. You wouldn't be doing that with our good man Ognir would you? By all means, keep your audios coming. If you have some truth to share, this is the place to be. If you don't mind, however, we'll keep our skeptic hats on just a while longer though. If my suspicions are unfounded, I'll be the first to beg your forgiveness.

[mgt23]

Wow , those were long replys. First of all thank you for sitting down and thinking and keeping an open mind on me. I half expected you to jump down my throat at what i said and ridicule me. I appreciate it.

First on George(i mistakenly called him greg in audio one sorry george freudian slip) I have listened to 3 of his audio and to be fair i have already encountered him i think on the internet his voice is very familiar and i think it was when i was researching gold. Also please please understand that i go through on average 20-30 vids/audios a day-whilst trying to keep my shit together (I can hardly pay the bills as it is). I do however intend on completing the other 4 in his series when i can. As for cut and paste replies, its not that i haven't looked at the bible, especially genesis and revelations (at the moment i am in contact with the saintbirgitta.com crowd and having to wade through a 1000 pages of crap i dont want to- but i do it anyway just to say i read it and to extract value-so i can refute these people), but that I have been arguing against creationism for some time and i want to stay on messege and on topic of the danger of the enemy we face at the moment. Getting side-tracked with religion is precisely what they want. It stops you discussing the real issue, which is how am i going to survive the oncoming war for me and my species. Religion is an anesthetic to this. Now I am quite happy to debate religion to you, but can we do this in another forum not here? I'll maybe open one up for you later today in another section-I am keen NOT to side step religion but to take it on and extract as much value from it as i can.
It may be instructive to you to know that i have very good friends who are Christians/ Muslims/ Hare Krishna's/underground rainbow mayan religion etc etc I fight with them all on a daily basis by correspondence and i hope we have nurtured each other in a positive way.
Yes I'm aware that evolution is apparently the satanic bible- however i believe it to be true not just because of the science
behind it but because it is a transcendental one. Look around at all the religions out there and tell me they haven't changed over time(mutations), replicated, with sects braking off to form entirely different forms of cults(species). I discovered this in philosophy as well. Evolution is the guide to wisdom and has nothing to do with science necessarily. I agree with science only in so far as i can understand it. I make no pretense at being an expert in every field. I am an expert in counter arguments given time and a bit of research and have a vast archive to work with luckily.
Now as regards hating/adopting whatever the zionists(in your post i take it thats what you meant by jew) promote as a mechanism for leading you to truth. That I strongly disagree with. Your enemy is sublimely clever and will mix lies with truth. I prefer to take each propersition in context and deconstruct it first. Then see what is left. Then spend a good long think assuming I'm wrong. Then make my best guess. Then note where I am and move on. Now heres the gem I still assume I'm wrong on a continuing basis-BUT (and here is another BUT!) I assume everyone else is wrong as well. Thus I am able upon seeing compelling logic and keep an open mind. At the moment evolution is king til i god "refutes it thus" in the words of Bishop Berkeley.

Now regards your point on

Atheism is merely a temporary condition, if you want to understand your enemy, then try to understand God (no He's not your enemy ..that's not what I'm saying ). It's seems we're in here talking about 'Jews' and "Israel' and 'Satanism' as if NONE of it had any ties to the bible or the Quran. Now where's the logic in that approach? However I can tell it is the approach you favor; you make that evident.

I didn't say that the bible has no relevance. On the contrary I think alot of zionists fervently believe it and so is useful for predicting how they will act given a context. True Zionists dont believe in that rubbish, they believe in evolution and want to take control of it. Religious zealots are useful tools which will be eliminated anyway. And if you can understand that then you understand where i'm coming from. I certainly dont want any one group controlling my evolution or my bloodline. In fact in a almost paradoxical way I am pro religion because I admire the beauty of some of its ideal they aspire to. Who can deny the haunting sound of the call to prayer or the powerful trance of a hara krishna mantra. My point is I don't want any one group becoming to powerful as to wipe out my species. In this I hope to rally you all to the Banner of transcendental evolution.

Next Nationalism. Get rid of it. Although I am aware of my roots I do not for example beilieve in the philosophy of the Brigantes I sympathize with them in there struggle against the romans and the massacres that followed throughout the ages through 1077 and beyond to the starving of the miners under thatcher(whom I have to spend a minute or two controling my anger at that women). I am about militant individualism and support nationalism only in its battles against globalism, then I would turn on that and have society broken down into regions and then into individuals. At no point do i want to be "represented". And no I don't make wagers. As for me being prone to media bias and subliminals my current reading is "Scientific Advertising" by Claude Hopkins 1966

now onto the next post

Soren Kierkegaard indeed was one of the precursors to existentialist thought like Sartre. Your quote I love to pieces and thoroughly agree with SOME of the time. I try to keep a cheery disposition and take heart in my centering of the now. Just because one cant do something about a situation doesnt mean that i have to Con myself into thinking that it is another situation all to do with blue helmets-just so i can deal with it. In this respect, its why i am here. I need help in finding out how to get Talon deactivated or survive it.
....you are wrong about trivializing my theory by reducing it to a 1950's "Death Ray". Which brings me to my point of how do I know? Am I an intelligence agent? Am I a freemason(my masonic link was to show you my oppressors in my homeland) etc etc
The answer is yes i do have connections NOT to BUT in Freemasonry, the military(especially counter terrorism),police, foreign embassies etc and in a whole host of esoteric pies. Not so much the intelligence services, who are undoubtedly reading this and whom I consider my enemy for allowing such a monstrosity as the abl yal1 to exist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_Laser
your quote from the good the bad and the ugly is indeed true and it is my contention that that point will arrive in possibly the next year and a half, whenever the money supply needs balancing and they are indanger of losing control.
They built a trump card essentially.
Can I just say at this point that I enjoy thoroughly our discourse and even if we all get zapped I am happy I found open minds with critical thinking unlike those at abovetopsecret.com
 
Yes I am in deep on the underground and am waiting for the jackboots to turn up on my door at any moment. Well good come on then employees of MI6 prove me wrong with you tiny tiny compartmentalized minds tick tock tick tock tick tock....your going to be next and the joke is, it will be something your organization built lololololololololollolololololololol LMFAO unreal isnt it that the real terrorists of Homo Sapien were you................................

[GordZilla]

Wow , those were long replys. First of all thank you for sitting down and thinking and keeping an open mind on me. I half expected you to jump down my throat at what i said and ridicule me. I appreciate it.

................................

 Fair enough reply, and again well stated. I only take exception to your statement of religion being 'rubbish' but not huge exception because religion unfortunately can mean one or both of two things; the belief in church or the belief in God... rarely both (although many churchies believe they believe in both they do not practice what they preach - which I don't either but I can admit it) ... so If your reference is in regard to the churchy based 'religion' then I have no problem with it, but a belief in God is something I hardly think is 'rubbish'. But none-the-less, good retort on your part. I will keep listening to you. We don't need a debate on God, as I stated before we'd argue till we were blue in the face on that topic, and we're not allowed to do that here anyways. I am glad you didn't take offence, I'm not the craftiest of writers, I often come off sounding blunt which in returns often sounds arrogant .. I'm glad you didn't get that 'feel' from my post - cause as I've said to Latin before; we are all in this together, we're just hammering out some minor differences.
 
You write and speak well mgt23, I will continue to listen, sounds like you have another issue your going to have to attend to anyways; the laser from space weapon... that I'd also like to hear more information on.

-Gord

[mgt23]

[mp3:24uqg3ub]http://www.deathflag.com/download/st1.mp3[/mp3:24uqg3ub]

http://www.deathflag.com/download/st1.mp3

Old Archived shows can be found here........
http://deathflag.com/deathflag/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=25

[mgt23]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... wishvoices

Who speaks for Jews in Britain?

We will not accept the vilification of those who protest at injustices carried out in the name of the Jewish people.


If there is one thing on which Jews can agree, it is this: it's good to argue. Jewish culture has thrived on argument - frank, sincere disagreement - ever since Moses disputed with God. But today an oppressive and unhealthy atmosphere is leading many Jews to feel uncertain about speaking out on Israel and Zionism. People are anxious about contravening an unwritten law on what you can and cannot discuss, may or may not assert.

It is a climate that raises fundamental questions: about freedom of expression, Jewish identity, representation, and the part that concerned Jews in Britain can play in assisting Israelis and Palestinians to find their way to a better future.

As the situation in the Middle East deteriorates yearly, more and more Jews watch with dismay from afar. Dismay turns to anguish when innocent civilians - Palestinians and Israelis - suffer injury and death because of the continuing conflict. Anguish turns to outrage when the human rights of a population under occupation are repeatedly violated in the name of the Jewish people.

No one has the authority to speak for the Jewish people. Yet during Israel's war with Lebanon last summer, Ehud Olmert, the prime minister, told an American audience: "I believe that this is a war that is fought by all the Jews." His belief is not based on evidence: it is an article of faith, a corollary of the doctrine that Israel represents Jewry as a whole - in Britain included.

This is a fallacy; and, moreover, a dangerous one, since it tars all Jews with the same brush. Yet this misconception is reinforced here by those who, claiming to speak for British Jews collectively or allowing that impression to go unchallenged, only ever reflect one position on the Middle East. On its own account, the Board of Deputies of British Jews (which calls itself "the voice of British Jewry") devotes much of the time and resources of its international division to "the defence of Israel". When a "solidarity rally" was held in London last July in the midst of the conflict with Lebanon, it was the board that organised it.

All of which suggests that British Jewry, speaking with one voice, stands solidly behind the Israeli government and its military operations.

Two things are wrong with this suggestion. First, it's false. Jews were deeply divided over Israel's campaigns in Gaza and Lebanon last year. Certainly, there were those who shared the sentiment of the chief rabbi, Sir Jonathan Sacks, who, addressing the rally, said: "Israel, you make us proud." Others felt roughly the opposite emotion.

Second, the board has no business taking a partisan position on the Middle East. Let groups such as the Zionist Federation or perhaps the Israeli embassy organise solidarity rallies. The role of the board is to promote the welfare of British Jews in all their variety, not to defend Israel. Similarly, the chief rabbi is entitled, ex officio, to bring a religious perspective to political matters, but it is not his role to act as political spokesman for his flock.

Faced with this state of affairs, a group of Jews in Britain has come together to launch Independent Jewish Voices (IJV). We come from a variety of backgrounds and walks of life. Some of us are religious, some not. A number feel a strong attachment to Israel as Jews, others feel none. We do not all share the same vision for the Middle East. We are a network of individuals, not a movement or political party.

But we are united by certain fundamental commitments. These are set out in our launch statement, published today on the Guardian's Comment is Free website and in advertisements placed in the Jewish Chronicle and the Times. They include: putting human rights first; giving equal priority to Palestinians and Israelis in their quest for a peaceful and secure future; and repudiating all forms of racism aimed at Jews, Arabs, Muslims or whomever.

We believe that these commitments - not ethnic or group loyalties - define the limits of legitimate debate. We invite like-minded Jews in Britain to add their names to the list of IJV signatories.

Jews abroad who are confronted with the same climate are taking similar steps to make their voices heard. The Alliance of Concerned Jewish Canadians has been formed to promote "an alternative public Jewish voice" on Israeli policies. Last July "concerned South African Jews" appealed to "all who share our commitment to a common humanity" to call for Israel to stop its bombardment of Lebanon. In the past few years, Jewish groups speaking out against Israel's violations of human rights have proliferated, notably in the United States, but especially in Israel itself.

We are not setting ourselves up as an alternative to the Board of Deputies or any other body. But we challenge the standard concept of "the Jewish community" as a collective entity for which the board is the secular voice and the chief rabbi the religious voice. This system was developed in another era - though it is being used today as a template for other minorities. It pictures "the Jewish community" as a single bloc that, whatever its internal complexity, presents a common face to the outside world via its ambassadors.

There is an affinity between our initiative and the New Generation Network, which was launched in the Guardian last November. A diverse group of Britons questioned the idea that the pie of British society (or that portion consisting of "minorities") can be divided into neat ethnic or religious slices: discrete "communities" with authoritative "leaders". For many of us, this model is suffocating and goes against the grain of our experience.

Among other things, it places a premium on keeping disagreement "in the family". For Jews, this ethos is especially stifling if the subject is Zionism or Israel. Some people, rightly condemning demonisation of the Jewish state, do not hesitate to demonise fellow Jews who, when expressing their views on these subjects in public, cross an invisible line of acceptability. We reject any attempt to suppress legitimate public debate and we abhor the culture of vilification.

The slur of "traitor" or "self-hating Jew" is especially noxious. For, if we feel compelled to protest against injustice to Palestinians, this is partly because of the lessons of our own history: the Jewish experience of marginalisation and persecution. Furthermore, when the language of human rights is spoken, many of us (secular and religious) hear the voices of those Hebrew prophets, rabbis, writers, activists and other Jewish figures down the centuries for whom Judaism means nothing if it does not mean social justice.

So, when we speak out against Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, or the bombing of Lebanon, or discrimination against Palestinians within Israel itself, we are not turning against our Jewish identity; we are turning to it. Some of us, recalling that nearly 40 years have passed since Israel's occupation began, hear a resonance. This was the length of time the Israelites wandered in the wilderness, near the end of which Moses gave them a directive: "Justice, justice shall you pursue" (Deuteronomy 16:20). It is a compass bearing for all humanity, especially when we are trying to find our way - or help others to find theirs - to a better future.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I have a goalkeeper mentality. I listened to the audio and to be fair greg is a great debater. However i'm only interested in perfect logic and experience. If a document is contradictory then i will suspect it. I will then look at other ways of extracting value.

The ark has already been built and i'm convinced the chosen are going in 2x2 right now.


The bible is a code not a history. In my esoteric opinion it is written in the "language of the

birds".

I'm a fan of logic and experience. Not science. Nor the Bible.


http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4727730/101_Contradictions_In_The_Bible

10.How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the

Ark?
(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

35.Would Jesus inherit David's throne?
(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was
cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David's throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

77. (a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
(b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)

92.Does God change his mind?
(a) Yes. "The word of the Lord came to Samuel: "I repent that I have made Saul King..." (I Samuel 15:10
to 11)(b) No. God "will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent" (I Samuel 15:29)
(c) Yes. "And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel" (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that
the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that
God repented on several other occasions:
i. "The Lord was sorry that he made man" (Genesis 6:6)
"I am sorry that I have made them" (Genesis 6:7)
ii. "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people" (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).


Take a look at how easily the Bible pretends to be "complete" with this short extract on the secret gospel of Mark(never mind the book of enoch)


From the letters of the most holy Clement, the author of the Stromateis.

To Theodore.
You did well in silencing the unspeakable teachings of the Carpocrations.
For these are the "wandering
stars" referred to in the prophecy, who wander from the narrow road of
the commandments into a boundless
abyss of the carnal and bodily sins. For, priding themselves in
knowledge, as they say, "of the deep things of
Satan", they do not know that they are casting themselves away into "the
nether world of the darkness" of
falsity, and boasting that they are free, they have become slaves of
servile desires. Such men are to be
opposed in all ways and altogether. For, even if they should say
something true, one who loves the truth
should not, even so, agree with them. For not all true things are the
truth, nor should that truth which merely
seems true according to human opinions be preferred to the true truth,
that according to the faith.
Now of the things they keep saying about the divinely inspired Gospel
according to Mark, some are
altogether falsifications, and others, even if they do contain some true
elements, nevertheless are not reported
truly. For the true things, being mixed with inventions, are falsified,
so that, as the saying goes, even the salt
loses its savor.
As for Mark, then, during Peter's stay in Rome he wrote an account of the
Lord's doings, not, however,
declaring all of them, nor yet hinting at the secret ones, but selecting
what he thought most useful for
increasing the faith of those who were being instructed. But when Peter
died a martyr, Mark came over to
Alexandria, bringing both his own notes and those of Peter, from which he
transferred to his former book the
things suitable to whatever makes for progress toward knowledge. Thus he
composed a more spiritual Gospel
for the use of those who were being perfected. Nevertheless, he yet did
not divulge the things not to be
uttered, nor did he write down the hierophantic teaching of the Lord, but
to the stories already written he
added yet others and, moreover, brought in certain sayings of which he
knew the interpretation would, as a
mystagogue, lead the hearers into the innermost sanctuary of that truth
hidden by seven veils. Thus, in sum,
he prepared matters, neither grudgingly nor incautiously, in my opinion,
and, dying, he left his composition
to the church in 1, verso Alexandria, where it even yet is most carefully
guarded, being read only to those
who are being initiated into the great mysteries.
But since the foul demons are always devising destruction for the race of
men, Carpocrates, instructed by
them and using deceitful arts, so enslaved a certain presbyter of the
church in Alexandria that he got from
him a copy of the secret Gospel, which he both interpreted according to
his blasphemous and carnal doctrine
and, moreover, polluted, mixing with the spotless and holy words utterly
shameless lies. From this mixture is
drawn off the teaching of the Carpocratians.
To them, therefore, as I said above, one must never give way; nor, when
they put forward their falsifications,
should one concede that the secret Gospel is by Mark, but should even
deny it on oath. For, "Not all true
things are to be said to all men"

(----GOD I HATE DUPLICITY AMONGST BOLLOCKS----)

 For this reason the Wisdom of God,
through Solomon, advises, "Answer the
fool from his folly", teaching that the light of the truth should be
hidden from those who are mentally blind.
Again it says, "From him who has not shall be taken away", and "Let the
fool walk in darkness". But we are
"children of Light", having been illuminated by "the dayspring" of the
spirit of the Lord "from on high", and "Where the Spirit of the Lord is",
it says, "there is liberty", for "All things are pure to the pure".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpocratians

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3833460/Anti-Creationist_Videos

my favorite if you wish to know is dendrochronolgy of tree rings

Right on cue. Do what Jews do: promote atheism, promote distrust in religion and the Bible, promote anarchism, promote chaos theory, promote homosexuality, feminism, and carnal mindedness.

Bravo, Shlomo....Bravo!

[mgt23]

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