The bible is repulsive!

[mgt23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU09N9OShEk&feature=channel_page

lets not leave the talmud out. things are starting to slip into place. this pedophilia crap is a test of jewish faith on trying to climb the zionist heirachy i reckon. Furthermore i think its the rabbi's that are doing it, when they get to a certain level. Fits in with the above post and the accusation of satanism.

[GordZilla]

There we go, "The Talmud is repulsive" now with that I can agree  :-)

[veritasvincit]

mgt 23 - this is why I don't believe in the major organized religions - especially any doctrine that teaches the old testament - having grown in a Catholic school and community, I knew there wasn't something quite right about organized religions and their ridiculous rituals and customs when I was about 7 yrs old, the time of First Communion.  Now don't get me wrong here, I do think most religions have good intentions however, because man is not perfect there have been many misinterpretations of the bible and the word of the Lord.  The most important lessons that I took with me from this catholic upbringing was basically, the ten commandments and "do unto others".  All the other rituals, customs and micro laws I threw away a long time ago.  I believe we should discuss religion and God - how else do we find the truth if we don't?

This thread is an excellent forum to get people discussing the topic.  Much of what is stated in the Old Testament is repulsive.  Did God really tell the prophets to stone people to death or burn down their cities?  Did he intend there to be numerous laws to micro manage us with regards to what we should eat or whether we should circumcise our sons or whether we should borrow.  It is interesting that the Torah consists of the five Mosaic books, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy.  The Koran believes in God but not Jesus and most Christian religions are contradictory to believe in both the mosaic law and Christianity.

Because of this thread, I started re-reading the New Testament to get a handle on the truth.   Jesus was sent forth to set the Law straight in the name of God. (God's Laws – not man's laws)  I liken all the prophets that have come forth in God's name, to reporters, who didn't get the story 100% correct because their own doctrines, beliefs and traditions skewed the whole truth.  Jesus' only purpose on this earth was to teach the laws of God.  As the son of God and part of the Holy Trinity, I can only believe his words, not only because he is Jesus but the words I read do not defile my heart and soul.
 

Matthew 5:17  Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 He therefore that shall break one of these least commandments, and shall so teach men shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. But he that shall do and teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, that unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And then he goes on to clarify the Law (God's laws - the commandments)

Matthew 5: 21  You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill, shall be in danger of the judgment 22 But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 27 You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. 28 But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye scandalize thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than thy whole body be cast into hell.  33 Again you have heard that it was said to them of old, thou shalt not forswear thyself: but thou shalt perform thy oaths to the Lord. 34 But I say to you not to swear at all, neither by heaven for it is the throne of God:
38 You have heard that it hath been said: An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. 39 But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other:
43 You have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thy enemy. 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you:

Now it is interesting the way he states:  "You have heard it hath been said" and then goes on to contradict the law of old by stating "But I say to you".  Is this not his way of correcting what the prophets in the old testament prophesized?  He goes on to denigrate the organized religions:

Matthew 6:2  Therefore when thou dost an alms-deed, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be honoured by men. Amen I say to you, they have received their reward. 5 And when ye pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, that love to stand and pray in the synagogues and corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men: Amen I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret, and thy father who seeth in secret will repay thee. 7 And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard. 8 Be not you therefore like to them for your Father knoweth what is needful for you, before you ask him. 9 Thus therefore shall you pray:
22 And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.

And Jesus goes on to talk about the hypocrisy of the scribes and Pharisees traditions and their doctrines and commandments of men:

Matthew15:1 Then came to him from Jerusalem scribes and Pharisees, saying: 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the ancients? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answering, said to them: Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition?  8 This people honoureth me with their lips: but their heart is far from me.
9 And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.
12 Then came his disciples, and said to him: Dost thou know that the Pharisees, when they heard this word, were scandalized? 13 But he answering, said: Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. 14 Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both fall into the pit.  19 For from the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false testimonies, blasphemies. 20 These are the things that defile a man. But to eat with unwashed hands doth not defile a man.

Then the Pharisees tempted and questioned Jesus and answered: the two greatest commandments that the whole law depends upon:

Matthew 22: 34 But the Pharisees, hearing that he had silenced the Sadducees, came together. 35 And one of them, a doctor of the law, asked him, tempting him: 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

How do we question anything that Jesus taught?  He only taught love and peace to all including our enemies.
Jesus was very angry with the scribes and Pharisees though, and saw through all their hypocrisies:

Matthew 23: 5 And all their works they do for to be seen of men. For they make their phylacteries broad and enlarge their fringes  6 And they love the first places at feasts and the first chairs in the synagogues, 7 And salutations in the market place, and to be called by men, Rabbi. 8 But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master: and all you are brethren. 9 And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven
25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. 27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful but within are full of dead men's bones and of all filthiness. 28 So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just: but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, that build the sepulchres of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the just,
33 You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell? 37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldst not? 38 Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate.

Finally, Jesus spoke about the deception that is to come or is it already here or has it passed?:

Matthew 24: 4 And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you. 5 For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ. And they will seduce many. 23 Then if any man shall say to you, Lo here is Christ, or there: do not believe him. 24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect

The Zionists and many others who have either played into their game or walk, talk and act like one have seduced and deceived many, even the elect.

[mgt23]

i just kinda agree with treat others as you want to be treated.
but jesus is philosophically unsophisticated. he did have balls tho assuming he existed.

anyway some more documents satanic books of repulsion great find here:
http://satanicsingles.com/library/The_Babylonian_Talmud.pdf
http://satanicsingles.com/library.jsp

[mgt23]

http://satanicsingles.com/library/Qabalah.pdf   pg73 para 2

check this out....says in here that all goy are to be killed with only illuminated left (i think it is paraphrasing the zohar). I fecking told all of you that they were using the jewish kaballah and wanted you all dead. Now where my fecking medal!!!!???


on a side note i believe thats what the large hadron collider is for as outline on pg73 para 2(the entire universe will vanish into absolute light...)

[ehpg]

I think mgt23 might either be an agent or very arrogant and ignorant or both, either way he is entitled to his "opinion". this is a Zoharite/Pharisaic/Satanic concept of the deliberate destruction and defamation of God's message, messengers and followers. The grouping of the Bible with Talmud is an old dirty Pharisaic trick and it's played out, get some new material.  I'll go with agent, and that's my Personal Thought.

[veritasvincit]

I don't think mgt23 is an agent nor is he ignorant.  The very fact that he is questioning to find the truth is what this world needs more of.  We also have to differentiate the old testament from the new testament.  Their messages are at complete polarity.  If you'll notice, the only laws that Jesus re-iterates from the old testament are the ten commandments and "do unto others".  He actually debunks the majority of the messages that the prophets of the old testament wrote about.  All through Matthew 5, Jesus continually says "Ye hath heard that it hath been said" and then contradicts what has been said by saying, "But I say unto you."

Matthew 22:36-40 sums up his message, which is one of pure love and benevolence:

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

This is the true message of Christianity.

[mgt23]

agent....yeah thanx.... agent 23 maybe.
point one:I am showing in this thread how in the talmud(especially so),the old testament(definately), the newtestament(I have to say they is not much barbarity here, only the gouge your own eyes out bit), and now the Zohar-where there is and it is a fact barbaric claims as to what a follower must do given a pretext. Remember I didn't write it.

 point two:If I'm wrong prove i've miss quoted-only a zionist would not try to disprove it and just smear me with "agent".
As for the two commandments I have to say from a evolutionary viewpoint:
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"-makes a lot of sociological sense and i live by this.

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart and with thy whole soul and with thy whole mind"
Now if I'm correct the ineffable kabballah name/word of god is "truth"-so in the above phrase yes i do believe in truth with my whole soul-i just dont think its a old grey man with a beard sitting in a cloud(excuse the paraphase)

now if you for one moment read the document i posted called "secrets of the kaballah" the reason why the goyiem are to be exterminated is that they are a danger to the illuminated. for if a "dark gentile" master blinds the masses with his (incorrectly applied) messianic fervor he is capable of launching a end times global war. In fact it predicts this and only the return of Solomon can unite the Israelites to exterminate the goyiem.

i am researching other jewish kaballah texts to see if this can be corroborated by multiple sources.


Edit:what i have problems with is the turn the other cheek law. I think it is right in most situations, but not all. I am trying to implement it in my life, as it is a lot of sense. I just don't think that if a murderer was after my girlfriend i would ask her to turn the other cheek. am still pondering this one.

[veritasvincit]

The zionists have broken the first and most precious of God's laws:  to love thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.  They think they have replaced God on this earth and that is the greatest sin.

Secondly, they have broken the most fundamental law of God and mankind:  "do unto others and love thy neighbour".  Any person that believes in this ideology alone:  "do unto others and love thy neighbour" is already enlightened, even if he does not himself profess to having faith or religion.  

Solution:  round them all up (zionists and their cohorts) and lock them up in one of their FEMA camps for life.  This is the only way we could ever love them, by ensuring they are locked away unable to control and destroy our economic system, manipulation and social/mind control through their media, destroy religion and God, bully and war with any nation, manipulate and control nature (water, seeds, oil, gold, land, medicine, air, food etc. etc.)

If they are the chosen ones, they must be the chosen ones of Satan.

[ehpg]

I don't believe in the major organized religions

classic zoharite reasoning at work

Truth is a dynamic and changing thing. The bible isn't and i believe was fabricated by jewish satanist zionists + minor contribution/collaboration of assorted zionists.

where is the evidence here.
I am not saying that it has not been possibly altered but they would not need to write supplements to manipulate God's Law and wait soo long to put these satanic teachings(Talmud and Zohar) on paper.

1)i'm against mysticism
2)saying that darwin was tutored by satan is mysticism. even if darwin was a satanist, he still wrote it if delusional.
3)I dont want to blind, convince or convert. just stimulate.

distort and confuse is more like it

4)evolution dictates the worship of the species not the individual.
5)I dont believe in aliens/paraphysical enties. no evidence.

darwin and his associates were conmen and their work  has been debunked many times.

sounds like agent talk to me.

[mgt23]

I don't believe in the major organized religions

classic zoharite reasoning at work

oh pray tell, what religion should i believe in....?
great logic in that i'm a believer in zoharite religion, if i dont believe in a organized religion.

where is the evidence here.
I am not saying that it has not been possibly altered but they would not need to write supplements to manipulate God's Law and wait soo long to put these satanic teachings(Talmud and Zohar) on paper.

ha so philosophy is not an evolving subject matter ehhh...?
and by your logic then we should believe in the oldest writings on the speculation of creation, cuniform tablets, sanskit, innuit oral tradition?

darwin and his associates were conmen and their work has been debunked many times.

wheres your evidence to this assumption(irony) i have given a couple of links and a torrent to start the reader on his own journey...where is your counterpoint reasoning?

sounds like agent talk to me.

james bond was a pussy.


edit:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4653894 ... _Evolution
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3833460 ... ist_Videos

[targa2]

Let's be clear about something. There was no such word as JEW at the time of the writing of the scripture.  A gentile was someone other than those who were " believers " or followers of the law. All these terms are distortions.  The Talmudists distort the Old Testament with their rabbinical extrapolations. The Christians distort the Old and New Testaments to suit the ebb and tide of the political will of the era.

Everybody takes snippits and quotes out of context to suit their personal agenda. Even if you want to discredit the scripture, the only fair way to do so is to read ALL OF IT YOURSELF !!!!  That is called research.  Otherwise you are engaging in HEARSAY which is inadmissable in a law trial and the Bible is primarily a book of law.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

I'm with ehpg  on this one.

You need richer historical material to buttress your claims mgt23.  There is a book called "The Bible as History" by Werner Keller. I don't know if you've read it, but it is worth your time if you haven't.  It was written in 1955 and is not a "Bible Thumper" type of book.   Disprove it if you want to. But you must remember that many sections of the bible's "history" were unknown until rediscovered in the 18th,19th and 20th centuries by Archeaologists. And you know what? They used the Bible as the best map to discover these ancient civilizations in Turkey and the Levant.

http://www.amazon.com/Bible-as-History- ... 0553279432

One other thing, did you know that the early Bolsheviks relished Communism because it allowed the Bolshevik Jews to treat rural people like "mere animals" or GOYIM.  Without God and Jesus his son, we are just "Goyim" on this earth and a slosh of mere cells. Don't let our enemies portray or treat you as one.  I'm sick and tired of the Fake Jews we see running the bankrupt show these days. Their time is coming to an end.

The Song of Solomon and the Psalms are both worth a read (and reread)  as works literature alone. They are great and very moving.  Always remember this, that Jews hate all New Testament Eschatology precisely because it clearly outlines their destruction in this "world".  Like Masada in 70 AD, when their world was destroyed, it will be destroyed once again.

[mgt23]

http://www.amazon.com/Bible-as-History- ... 0553279432
is there a torrent on this? will check it out if i can. not sure how you think you are going to get round dendrochronology tho....
i don't support any left-wing fascism or any fascism. if anything i agree with some thoughts from kurt saxon on DIY survivalism.
At least your post CSmRep gave me some material....ehpg post was vague and called me an agent(not cool) :cry: . typical zionist behaviour they never try and disprove you.
so i will try and get a pdf copy from somewhere or fork out a few dollars and get the book.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

It might be hard to find in .pdf.  You might see it in a used book store that hasn't gone out of business yet.  A lot of libraries have a beat up copy somewhere.

[mgt23]

i just put a bid on ebay for one...only a few quid. hopefully it will let me win and i can get it within the week.

[ehpg]

[youtube:2o7g25gw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N09BIEzDlI[/youtube]2o7g25gw]


Intelligent Design debate
Natural History magazine

Three proponents of Intelligent Design (ID) present their views of design in the natural world. Each view is immediately followed by a response from a proponent of evolution (EVO). The report, printed in its entirety, opens with an introduction by Natural History magazine and concludes with an overview of the ID movement.

The authors who contributed to this Natural History report are:

    * Richard Milner and Vittorio Maestro, ed. (introduction)
    * Michael J. Behe, Ph.D. (ID) and Kenneth R. Miller, Ph.D. (EVO)
    * William A. Dembski, Ph.D. (ID) and Robert T. Pennock, Ph.D. (EVO)
    * Jonathan Wells, Ph.D. (ID) and Eugenie C. Scott, Ph.D. (EVO)
    * Barbara Forrest, Ph.D. (overview)
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhmag.html

(note: "Science requires positive evidence that biological complexity is intentionally designed." yet the same does not apply to Darwin's EVO)

Questioning evolution theory (Michael Behe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5lfTPwct4

100 reasons why evolution is so stupid.(Kent Hovind)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7272982882

Irreducible Complexity (bacterial flagellum) debunked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_HVrjKcvrU  
very funny stuff the debunking of science with myth (note: the lack of explanation of all the individual parts and their respective functions)

other resources:
    * Access Research Network http://www.arn.org/
    * Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness (IDEA) Center Online http://www.ideacenter.org/
    * Intelligent Design Network http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
    * intelligentdesign.org http://www.intelligentdesign.org/
    * International Society for Complexity Information and Design http://www.iscid.org/


which is science and which is fiction?

[mgt23]

much better will go through them today. thx for links.

[mgt23]

managed to buy a copy online will hopefully get it couple o days. any opinions on this text by former readers?
http://www.amazon.com/Bible-as-History- ... 0553279432

[Anonymous]

http://www.amazon.com/Bible-as-History-Werner-Keller/dp/0553279432
is there a torrent on this? will check it out if i can. not sure how you think you are going to get round dendrochronology tho....
i don't support any left-wing fascism or any fascism. if anything i agree with some thoughts from kurt saxon on DIY survivalism.
At least your post CSmRep gave me some material....ehpg post was vague and called me an agent(not cool) :cry: . typical zionist behaviour they never try and disprove you.
so i will try and get a pdf copy from somewhere or fork out a few dollars and get the book.

It's a fabrication

the bible is a history of [Constantinople and the Venetians] aka British Israel and takes place in the Med not egypt.

I spent a whole show going over the issues with dendrochronology

[Anonymous]

Let's be clear about something. There was no such word as JEW at the time of the writing of the scripture.  A gentile was someone other than those who were " believers " or followers of the law. All these terms are distortions.  The Talmudists distort the Old Testament with their rabbinical extrapolations. The Christians distort the Old and New Testaments to suit the ebb and tide of the political will of the era.

Everybody takes snippits and quotes out of context to suit their personal agenda. Even if you want to discredit the scripture, the only fair way to do so is to read ALL OF IT YOURSELF !!!!  That is called research.  Otherwise you are engaging in HEARSAY which is inadmissable in a law trial and the Bible is primarily a book of law.

well apparently the word "gentile" is not in the original Aramaic Version, apparently the word Goy and Goyim existed and meant nation or nations.

[Anonymous]

I'm with ehpg  on this one.

You need richer historical material to buttress your claims mgt23.  There is a book called "The Bible as History" by Werner Keller. I don't know if you've read it, but it is worth your time if you haven't.  It was written in 1955 and is not a "Bible Thumper" type of book.   Disprove it if you want to. But you must remember that many sections of the bible's "history" were unknown until rediscovered in the 18th,19th and 20th centuries by Archeaologists. And you know what? They used the Bible as the best map to discover these ancient civilizations in Turkey and the Levant.

http://www.amazon.com/Bible-as-History- ... 0553279432

One other thing, did you know that the early Bolsheviks relished Communism because it allowed the Bolshevik Jews to treat rural people like "mere animals" or GOYIM.  Without God and Jesus his son, we are just "Goyim" on this earth and a slosh of mere cells. Don't let our enemies portray or treat you as one.  I'm sick and tired of the Fake Jews we see running the bankrupt show these days. Their time is coming to an end.

The Song of Solomon and the Psalms are both worth a read (and reread)  as works literature alone. They are great and very moving.  Always remember this, that Jews hate all New Testament Eschatology precisely because it clearly outlines their destruction in this "world".  Like Masada in 70 AD, when their world was destroyed, it will be destroyed once again.

Now you are onto something - Turkey - Constantinople aka Jerusalem
Song of Sol om on is an esoteric work
Masada in 70AD - Prove it please - your sources will all fall in medieval 15th century and upwards in the end

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

John,

I'm kind of curious if you have ever read the bible front to back? If you have, how long did you it take you?

[Anonymous]

John,

I'm kind of curious if you have ever read the bible front to back? If you have, how long did you it take you?

I think I was forced to once upon a time, but I can't say I have actually understood it before.
for example:
The Story of Samson
Is about the Seasons of the year - death and rebirth through the seasons. And the sun gets weak when it's hair get cut off or [Rays]

So why do you want to know?

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

So why do you want to know?

Well people that have read it, and in depth, with intelligence applied - tend to first see it as a "historical document" and then as a inspired document of Law, Miracles, Community, Divine Behaviour, etc.  

If you really had read at an older, literate age, you would see that many of the people mentioned in the Bible existed.  Pharoahs, Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Hittites, Samaritans, Rulers like Alexander the Great, etc. The archaeology behind these Historical entities followed only within the last 200 years or so.
The bible connects us to the ancient world in the stories and descriptions of the times.  It is perhaps the only "living" document extant that was handed down intact from the earliest days. Funny to see it not a book of "simple, made up stories" but a document that was used to actually find "lost" civilizations.  
People that read the Bible in depth know this - those that do not, are fairly ignorant of the History of the Levant, Judaics,and ancient peoples. If Alexandria's library had not burned down, and the documents there had survived until today, I bet their would be less doubt about the historicity of the Bible as living document that is the most accurate available.

Just my thoughts.

[Anonymous]

So why do you want to know?

Well people that have read it, and in depth, with intelligence applied - tend to first see it as a "historical document" and then as a inspired document of Law, Miracles, Community, Divine Behaviour, etc.  

If you really had read at an older, literate age, you would see that many of the people mentioned in the Bible existed.  Pharoahs, Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Hittites, Samaritans, Rulers like Alexander the Great, etc. The archaeology behind these Historical entities followed only within the last 200 years or so.
The bible connects us to the ancient world in the stories and descriptions of the times.  It is perhaps the only "living" document extant that was handed down intact from the earliest days. Funny to see it not a book of "simple, made up stories" but a document that was used to actually find "lost" civilizations.  
People that read the Bible in depth know this - those that do not, are fairly ignorant of the History of the Levant, Judaics,and ancient peoples. If Alexandria's library had not burned down, and the documents there had survived until today, I bet their would be less doubt about the historicity of the Bible as living document that is the most accurate available.

Just my thoughts.

Well, I am inclined to disagree, but I am currently rereading it.

I am saying mixed in with all the stories about the sun and stars is a history, but not of who you think and not where you think. I am sure the Levant was part of the empire, but the main city Jerusalem was Istanbul aka Constantinople. They have been searching for over 200 hundred years for evidence of the biblical stories and coming up short in the region of Levant. Remember the bible is a Medieval document at best 500 years old as a written document and maybe 1000 years old as a verbal or re-written document.  As far as the mystical fires that just happen to destroy the only copy of something, well when they created the time line in late 15th century and 16th century, they had to make sure everyone was on the same page and anything that disagreed had to be destroyed.

it's funny that you mention the Persians

did you know the oldest copy of the bible write's it as PRS

PRS was then translated into PeRSia cause there were no vowels in the early Aramaic or Biblical Hebrew versions of the bible
Some speculate that the story is actually the story of the popes captivity in Avignon by franks because PRS could mean PaRiS as well.

I hope you weren't implying that I am ignorant and not intelligent, because that would be insulting.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

I hope you weren't implying that I am ignorant and not intelligent, because that would be insulting.

No not at all, I'm just saying that if you treat it as a historical document and use the internet to look the people and places behind the stories, you might find it a richer experience. The Bible as History is kind of the approach to take with it.  There is a lot of ignorance surrounding this topic the world over. I'm fairly ignorant on many sections of the bible, but I do know where the Island of Patmos is.

[Anonymous]

I hope you weren't implying that I am ignorant and not intelligent, because that would be insulting.

No not at all, I'm just saying that if you treat it as a historical document and use the internet to look the people and places behind the stories, you might find it a richer experience. The Bible as History is kind of the approach to take with it.  There is a lot of ignorance surrounding this topic the world over. I'm fairly ignorant on many sections of the bible, but I do know where the Island of Patmos is.

  Not in levant

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The Bible and Archeology - Part One
http://www.scribd.com/doc/807/The-Bible ... y-Part-One

The Mystery Of The Historical Jesus - The Messiah in the Qur'an, the Bible, and Historical Sources
http://www.quranicstudies.com/louay-fat ... jesus.html

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The Bible and Archeology - Part One
http://www.scribd.com/doc/807/The-Bible ... y-Part-One

---yeh i spotted this and bookmarked it for reading. I got the bible is history this morning and am gonna wade through it.