Being Savage # 52 - Koestler's 13th tribe

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Anonymous

Being Savage # 52

how to deal with disinfo agents, shills,and dupes
putting a bullet in a lizard
review of 13th tribe, koestler and sources

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maz

The was a good idea about making a list of criminals to handle the disinfo people.

evanlong

Interesting point about this story being, perhaps, a weapon to be used to line up the Jews and move them to Israel, where they would eventually be destroyed in a war.  The Mazzini-Pike correspondences state that:

QuoteThe Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

- from http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

In other words, according to this, the Zionists would not be slated to survive WWIII.

Anonymous

Quote from: "evanlong"Interesting point about this story being, perhaps, a weapon to be used to line up the Jews and move them to Israel, where they would eventually be destroyed in a war.  The Mazzini-Pike correspondences state that:

QuoteThe Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

- from http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

In other words, according to this, the Zionists would not be slated to survive WWIII.

or Jews who are considered from the line of Cain and not of "The house of Israel" and the House of Judah.

According to some sources

my next show will have some info on this.

chapter 6 of fomenko's work is very interesting, especially the lineage of 1-2 samuel, 1-2 kings and chronicles compared with the different epochs of history.
Fomenko compares the "Kings of Israel" and the "Kings of Judah" don't confuse the State and Jews of Israel with the tribes of Israel and Judah

Chapter 6

rmstock

Hello Savage,

After I listened to your audio, where you mentioned and verbatim read
from " The History of the Jewish Khazars" by D. M. Dunlop, I also
took my copy of Dunlop's book and found some amazing flaws
in Dunlop's research. Here's what i found and emailed to my smal
maillinglist :

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:07:51 +0200 (CEST)
From: Robert M. Stockmann <stock@stokkie.net>
To:
    Subject: The Khazar Conversion to Judaism


    Hi,

    According Dunlop's "The History of the Jewish Khazars" [1], the
    conversion to Judaism of the Khazars has been documented by
    the Khazars themselves. From the index [1] page 281 we read :

        Judaism: Khazar, x, 76, 86, Chap-
          ters v and vi, passim (see also
          under Khazars); Byzantine, 89,
          125, 157, 169, 256; conversion
          of "Meshech" to, 220

    Checking on page 76 (Chapter IV, THE SECOND ARAB-KHAZAR WAR (722-737),
    we read :

       "  For the events of 112/730 our narrative gains confirmation
        once again from the Khazar side. The memory of the capture
        of Ardabil appears to have been retained long afterwards. Ac-
        cording to the Reply of Joseph, when the Jewish religion had
        already been established among them, the King of the Khazars
        was inspired to set up a place of worship, and for the purpose
        of obtaining the necessary means undertook an expedition by
        way of the Darial pass, into the country south of the mountains.
        The principal objective of this expedition was Arbadil. The
        Khazar returned with a treasure of gold and silver, and this
        was dedicated and used for providing the furniture -- ark,
        lamp-stand, table, etc.-- of a tabernacle on the Biblical model.
        The Reply adds that these still existed (c. A.D. 960).{80}
       
        {80} See Chapter VI."

    Apparently there is a old document written by the Khazars themselves,
    titled "The Reply of Joseph". Geee, did they already have email back
    then? Sorry for my humor, but according the above quote it had more
    todo with the "acquisition" of gold and silver, then the worship of
    Yaweh inside their mobile tabernacles on horseback. Looking for "The
    Reply of Joseph" inside Dunlop's index, we find that both a "Short" and
    "Long Version" of "The Reply of Joseph" exist(ed) :

        Reply of Joseph, 42ff., 76, 91, 94n.,
          98n., 125, 132, 133, 139, 144ff.,
          186n., 195, 208n., 240; Long
          and Short Version of
    , 130ff.,
          139ff., 146ff.; grandiloquent tone
          of, 147; different Hebrew style
          from Letter of Hasday, 148,
          151ff.

    ... How about that eh? Going to page 130 we read :

    page 130 :

       "   So much for the possibility of interpolation in the work of
        Aqrish. If anyone thinks that the Khazar Correspondence was
        first composed in 1577 and published in Qol Mebasser, the onus
        of proof is certainly on him. He must show that a number of
        ancient manuscripts, which appear to contain references to the
        Correspondence, have all been interpolated since the end of the
        16th century. This will prove a very difficult or rather an
        impossible task.

           When we try to get behind the printed editions of Qol
        Mebasser, the results are not entirely satisfactory. The only
        known manuscript containing both the Letter of Hasday and
        the Reply of Joseph is in the library of Christ Church, Ox-
        ford. {37} This manuscript presents a remarkably close similarity
        to the printed text, as may be seen from Kokovtsov's edition
        and as I have personally checked. It is not easy to say what
        is the genetic connection between the two, but it is unlikely
        that the manuscript, as has several times been suggested, is
        actually a transcript of the printed text. Rather, as Kokovtsov
        says, the manuscript served directly or indirectly as a source
        of the printed text. But it has no claims to great antiquity.
          Undated like the Christ Church manuscript is another in

        {37} No. 193. Owing to the liberality of the Christ Church  
             authorities I was able to consult this valuable MS. not
             only in the Bodleian but also in the Glasgow University
             Library. Though collated once again by myself, the MS.
             yielded little or nothing which had escaped Kokovtsov.

    page 131:
     
       "the Leningrad Public Library, {38} which contains along with
        midrashic material a longer version of the Reply of Joseph
        than is found in the Christ Church manuscript and the printed
        text of Aqrish, but lacks the letter of Hasday. Attention was
        directed to this manuscript by Harkavy, a most diligent student
        of Khazar antiquities, in 1874, and hailed by him as the un-
        doubted original of the previously known version. {39} Unfortu-
        nately the Long Version of the Reply of Joseph passed to the
        Leningrad library via Firkovitch, who had apparently acquired
        it in Egypt in the sixties of last century. {40}
    This connection with
        Firkovitch did not predispose investigators to regard it as an
        undoubted relic of antiquity. It would appear, however, that in
        this case we need not immediately suspect a forgery. Chwol-
        son, who had examined it, states that the whole manuscript
        is written in the same hand and there are no additions of any
        kind. {41} It is supposed to date from the 13th century. {42} Unless
        therefore this indication of date is completely wrong and
        Firkovitch is responsible for the whole -- contrary to his usual
        method of fabrication, which was to make alterations and ad-
        ditions in authentic documents --  we probably have to reckon
        with the Long Version as considerably older than the printed
        text of Aqrish.
    Harkavy, in spite of his very critical attitude to
        Firkovitch and his discoveries, had no hesitation in accepting
        it as the original of the Short Version in Aqrish, as already said.
        If the view of Harkavy, which for once coincides with Chwol-
        son's, is not right, most people will agree with Kokovtsov's
        cautious statement {43} that as basis for both versions there is
        certainly the same original text, which is in general better
        preserved in the Long Version.
          That the Khazar Correspondence is a forgery of the 16th
        century can scarcely be taken seriously in view of what has


        {38} MS. Heb. 157 of the 2nd Firkovitch Collection.
        {39} Measeph Niddahim, I, no. 8.
        {40} Chwolson, Corpus, German ed., St. Petersburg 1882, 143, n. 6.
        {41} Ibid., 520 (quoted similarly by Kokovtsov from the Russian ed.,
             1884, 499)
        {42} Ibid., 143 n. 6.        {43} Op.cit., Introduction"
     
    Anyone who had the slightest belief that Dunlop's work is a most solid
    documented publication on the Khazars and their history, should think
    again, as we are dealing here, only, with manuscripts originating from
    the hands of Soviet Communist professors and researchers, where the
    Oxford connection does not shine brightly for this University's
    much admired reputation.

    Best regards,

    Robert
    PS.
    [1] The History of the Jewish Khazars
       by D. M. Dunlop
       Paperback: 293 pages
       Publisher: Schocken; First edition (1967)
       Language: English
       ASIN: B000E3WIZS
       http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E3WIZS
    --
    Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
    Network Engineer - UNIX/Linux Specialist
    crashrecovery.org  mailto:stock@stokkie.net">stock@stokkie.net

    ``I hope that the fair, and, I may say certain prospects of success will not induce us to relax.''
    -- Lieutenant General George Washington, commander-in-chief to
       Major General Israel Putnam,
       Head-Quarters, Valley Forge, 5 May, 1778

    Anonymous

    Thanks for the added info R.

    I don't know if I would post my private details as you did, maybe an admin can help you remove it.

    I only had a limited version of Dunlap's, so I read from J Bury's and Arthur's versions as well. They all sound the same after a while. But J Bury does state that the Khazar's did not practice circumcism and other intolerant Jewish customs. Which I found interesting.

    evanlong

    @ John Savage:

    Are you familiar with the work of Barbara Aho?  She contests the notion that the conspirators are Khazarian Jewish converts while maintaining that the conspiracy is Judeo-Masonic:

    http://watch-unto-prayer.org/audio.html

    keeptruthfree

    I need more shows. I really sincerely like this show.
    I'm considering listening to the whole thing again.
    MORE! keep going.

    I mean ALL the shows.  To be clear,
    I have listened to FIFTY-FIVE shows.

    I ordered the four Anatoly Fomenko
    "History: Fiction or Science?" that are available.

    I also figured out how to make the first two books
    that are available on Google Books
    but in that weird non-PDF way
    into PDFs if anybody wants them.

    I already had the Koestler book.

    jai_mann

    Quote from: "evanlong"@ John Savage:

    Are you familiar with the work of Barbara Aho?  She contests the notion that the conspirators are Khazarian Jewish converts while maintaining that the conspiracy is Judeo-Masonic:

    http://watch-unto-prayer.org/audio.html


    Man I'm halfway through the 1st audio on that site. I have to say it's quite good. I had been wondering about old european ties with regards to what is happening now. And the whole separation between the "synagogue of satan" and jews. Fritz Springmeir seems to have done some good work on this also. Now he sits in a Federal prison.  :D  Good times eh? I'll definitely listen to all of the audio as the ladies involved appear to have done good research.

    mgt23

    your idea of a list that would take out the leaders is gold. I have a post on deathflag.com for this.

    evanlong

    Quote from: "mgt23"your idea of a list that would take out the leaders is gold. I have a post on deathflag.com for this.

    Could you post a link for that?

    mgt23

    i'm trying to trace them as we speak. otherwise we will be just targeting the front men. i agree with punishing the collaborators using irony, but unless we get the people issuing the orders we will have made nil progress in the overall info war. when i have succeeded i will release the list for swarming in the public domain, until then it is not strategic to do so which is why i haven't. My next show will explore a possible avenue of tracing them. stay tuned.

    Anonymous

    Quote from: "mgt23"your idea of a list that would take out the leaders is gold. I have a post on deathflag.com for this.

    It came to me in a dream. God spoke to me and told to pass it on.