Do not confuse a Jew with a Judahite or an Israelite.

[AntiPharisee]

Do not confuse a Jew with a Judahite or an Israelite.

Two links, elaboration plus original
by Eli James
http://www.anglo-saxonisrael.com/newsle ... 8_9_25.php

[Anonymous]

Don't believe this British Israel aka Christian Identity propaganda

but certainly be willing to question everything.

Today it is assumed that the well-known "ancient Babylon"
was located in modern Mesopotamia. However, some medieval
texts adhere to a contrary opinion. For example, the well-known
"Serbian Alexandria" places Babylon in Egypt. In that same place,
i.e., in Egypt, Alexander the Great supposedly died, although,
according to today's version, this happened in Mesopotamia.
      The titles and names in the ancient texts quite often were
used "without vocalizations", that is, without vowels, only in the
form of a "skeleton" of consonants, and this relates not only to
Hebrew. With the passage of time, the vowels were forgotten and
blurred into other vowels. As a result, the most diverse
vocalizations arose, which radically changed the meaning of the
text.

Bible:
     The well·known Biblical "Babylonian Captivity", which
decisively concluded the history of the Judaic kingdom: The exile
from Jerusalem came after the war with Nebuchadnezzar.

Imaginary Middle ages:
    The well·known "Avignon Captivity", which was called a
"Babylonian Exile" in the Middle Ages. It decisively concludes
the history of the Roman Empire of the 10-13th centuries A.D.

Bible:
     The exile of the God-fearing people lasted 70 years according
to the Bible (II Chronicles 36:20-20. This event is unique in
Biblical history.

     The "Avignon Exile" lasts exactly 70 years. This event is
unique in the Western European chronicles and in the history of
the papacy.
     In the New Testament, as is known, there is little historical
information, and therefore, we will not find in it evident parallels
with the events and situation of the Middle Ages. It is all the
more curious to compare the text of a Testament and the writings
which accompany it with the works of those authors who lived a
millennium after Jesus Christ, who died on the cross supposedly
in the first. century of the new era. What did the Babylonian
princess and writer, Anna Comnena, who described the life of her
father Alexius Comnenus in the composition "Alexsiad", know about
 him, for example?
     The Christian Anna Comnena did not know anything about
Jesus. In any case, she does not once mention him.

     

The territory of Egypt is called Babylonia, and Cairo is
Babylon. The crusaders, having been sent on the fourth crusade,
ponder their destination - Alexandria or Babylon. Even a
conception of the Mediterranean Sea does not exist yet; such a
name is nowhere to be found, and its dimensions have been
exaggerated, at a minimum, by three times.
      Europe's distortions also are monstrous. Okay. at least Europe
itself is on the maps. London, true, is called New Troy.

 

Those who were proteges of the former empire were supposed
to leave the scene of history.
     The monotheists also left. Part of the previous religious elite
fled from New Rome to the south of France - the old Biblical
heartland. Later, the stay there of the monotheists as fugatives
will be reflected in the Old Testament as the exile of the Judaeans
in Babylon. and in the history of the Catholic Church as the exile
of the popes in Avignon. These events are one and the same.
     The majority of Judaies fled to the west. to imperial Semitic
Mauritania. In particular, there the ethnic features of the people
who are later called Jews were formed from the middle of the 14th
to the end of the 15th centuries.

[Anonymous]

The Babylonian Captivity of the Church

A prelude 1520

Jesus

http://www.lutherdansk.dk/Web-Babylonia ... Luther.htm

[Anonymous]

the legendary Trojan kingdom of seven kings, allegedly in 1460 -1240 BC

The Avignon Papacy was the period from 1309 to 1377 during which seven Bishops of Rome, known as popes, resided in Avignon, (modern-day France)

the alleged years 753-522 BC Titus Livy's Regal Rome of the seven kings, or the so-called First Roman Empire.

all phantom reflections of a later period of time

[Yammitor]

I am with AntiPharisee on this one.

Don't believe this British Israel aka Christian Identity propaganda

Thats what i would say about your Anatoly T. Fomenko propaganda and recent work, I don't think his theories holds water and just serve to discredit as much history as possible or confuse history so one dosen't know what to believe anymore.

I enjoyed some your earlier shows, remember gem this   ( thanks)  :

     "Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that,

        "A holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."

    "Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction

        "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."


Religions have indeed been "permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses". Before anybody dismisses religion and the bible totally. I mean 100%,  maybe they should look at the beliefs of the people who built western civilisation during the last 10 centuries, their own forefathers. Mobes covered some of this on his recent show (# 14  about 20 mins in ). The bible is the basis for common law and 64% of the constitution.

http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/mobes/RiggOnomics14.mp3

When so many holes are poked in history like Fomenko does it only serves to erode the foundations upon which society has been built upon.
If Fomenko's work becomes accepted by society then society would be forced to revaluate all their beliefs. What debased and corrupt system will be derived from the current cesspool of moral corruption that we live in. I think the new morals of society would be :
 ""Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." This statement is taken from the first chapter verse 40 of the The Book of the Law, also know as Liber al vel Legis, which is claimed to have been communicated to Aleister Crowley by a discarnate entity known as Aiwass on April 8, 9 and 10 in 1904, in Cairo, Egypt."

You are doing the Jews work for them i am afraid.

Perhaps Andrew Carrington Hitchcock says it better than i can in an interview on the subject where he talks about what he has learned since writing his book The Synagogue Of Satan
http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-22187/TS-176347.mp3

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp;jsessionid=848A062F791271BD27019DF7C49F6934.prod118_4?masterId=22187&pageNumber=1&pageSize=15

I don't like the term "Christian Identity" or "British Israel" as they has also been hijacked also.
Our beliefs can be best described as following the teaching of early christanity as taught by Jesus HIMSELF before the jews of the day corrupted and twisted his message.
Jesus said ""Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34"

The only way we will be sucessful against our oppressors is by morally upgrading our society. Unfortunately I also believe that before we can do this as a society we must 1st plumet to the furthest the depths of depravity and wickedness for a few years at least until we learn our lesson good and well. Then perhaps we will willingly upgrade our morals as a society and as a whole.

Anyone else who wants to know more about the differences between a Jew and an Israelite and how their beliefs has been hijacked there is a gold mine of mp3 files at

http://www.israelect.com/reference/BertrandLComparet/sermons/

Also George Gordon is not a JEW he's a christian who follows the mosaic laws i.e. early christanity. as layed down by Moses.

Confused by what i have written, I am not surprised your religion and beliefs have been "permeated with Judaism"

Jesus said the truth will set you free from the system that seeks to control you.

[Ognir]

Sounds like religion to me this thread :lol:

I wasn't so sure about George Gordan, however in another audio, several years back, he said he was Jewish, maybe Scottie can say yeah or nah

[ehpg]

Nice work Yammitor, very Impressive.

[Yammitor]

Thanks, i am not looking to make this a religion thread just discussing the two separate lines of thought on the same conspiracy and its leaders.

I am not sure 100% on George Gordon not being jewish, If you heard him say hes a Jew well then i take it back. I haven't listened to alot of his work since i only from him thru your radioshow recently.  However i based my opinion that he is a christian following the Moasic laws after looking at his website and listening to some of the mp3 files from this library. His views are the same as those expressed by Bertrand L Comparet, which is why i'd say hes Early Christian rather than Jewish in terms of religion.
However he could be a former converted Jew like Benjamin Freedman. But i definatly don't think he is a religious Jew, possibly a racial Jew to some extent but thats it.

Back to jews misleading us to believe they are Israel of the Bible.
The jews know that they are not Judahites or Israelite, as Harold Wallace Rosenthal eludes to this deception many times in parts of his interview with Walter White

http://iamthewitness.com/news/2009.04.14-Rosenthal.html

"
(The Jews have established five major falsehoods which work to conceal their nature and protect their status and power, to wit:

1) ]The Jews are Israelites, and thus God's chosen people;
2) Jesus Christ was a Jew;
3) That 6 million Jews were killed in a holocaust during WW II;
4) That all races are equal, or that all are brothers; and,
5) That the Jews are just another religious group.)
"

They know the Bible isn't their book

"Politically, they hail the blessings of democracy and never understand that through democracy we have gained control of their nation. Their book (Notice that Mr. Rosenthal always refers to the Bible as their book -- the white people, never as our book or the Jews' book) again teaches a benevolent despotic form of government in accordance with the laws of that book,"

They know Jesus was not of their race or religion

"In regard to the moral value of the Jews' religious teaching, there exist quite exhaustive studies which show the kind of religion that we have in a light that makes it look uncanny to the Aryan mind. We are the best example of the kind of product which religious training evolves. Our life is of this world only and our mentality is as foreign to the true spirits of Christianity as our character was to the Founder of this new creed 2,000 years ago. The Founder of Christianity made no secret of his estimation of the Jews and the fact that he was not one of us."

"We are obliged to conceal our own particular character and mode of life so that we will be allowed to continue our existence as a parasite among the nations. Our success in this line has gone so far that many believe that the Jews among them are genuine Frenchmen, or Englishmen, or Italians, or Germans who just happen to belong to a religious denomination which is different from that prevailing in these countries.

Rosenthal knew the truth, however they are still god chosen people.
The Jews have a different God Lucifer and they are his chosen people, that is why they are so heartless.
They are the children of their father the devil after all.
Its their nature to be cruel.

"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer."

The above is an exact quote of Harold Wallace Rosenthal, former top Administrative Aide to the then Senator Jacob Javits, who was since defeated in the 1980 election.

I could go on and on but, people should just read the Rosenthal interview if they haven't already.

[Ognir]

Let's not split hairs over it
Keep posting

[veritasvincit]

Yammitor:  well articulated and quoted

"Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."

Religions have indeed been "permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses". Before anybody dismisses religion and the bible totally. I mean 100%, maybe they should look at the beliefs of the people who built western civilisation during the last 10 centuries, their own forefathers

Our beliefs can be best described as following the teaching of early christanity as taught by Jesus HIMSELF before the jews of the day corrupted and twisted his message.
Jesus said ""Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34"

The only way we will be sucessful against our oppressors is by morally upgrading our society. Unfortunately I also believe that before we can do this as a society we must 1st plumet to the furthest the depths of depravity and wickedness for a few years at least until we learn our lesson good and well. Then perhaps we will willingly upgrade our morals as a society and as a whole.

Confused by what i have written, I am not surprised your religion and beliefs have been "permeated with Judaism"

Jesus said the truth will set you free from the system that seeks to control you.

[Rockclimber]

Sounds like religion to me this thread :lol:

I wasn't so sure about George Gordan, however in another audio, several years back, he said he was Jewish, maybe Scottie can say yeah or nah

Gordon a Jew? Not by blood (if there is technically such a thing) as he's Scottish. He calls himself a Hebrew I believe. He is by far not a "Christian" either. He believes that the Mosaic law still applies today and that by abiding by the law good things will come your way. He is no fan of the Christians nor the Judaics that much I know for sure. I once heard him comment during his 7-part show on Freemasonry that "Christ never had a good word to say about a Jew". I believe it's in part 7 of the series where he says this but I'm not 100% positive as I last listened to it a couple of years ago.

[veritasvincit]

there is much to be questioned about Gordon's religious beliefs though

[Rockclimber]

there is much to be questioned about Gordon's religious beliefs though

Agreed

[Anonymous]

I am with AntiPharisee on this one.

Don't believe this British Israel aka Christian Identity propaganda

Well that's a shame, but I certainly understand why you find Fomenko's work objectionable. But it seems to me that he proves that Israel and Judah are European, so you would think you would be happy about that. But I suppose that he places it in the 15 to 17th century has you all bothered.

I have listened to Bertrand for many hours, and I have to say that he knows his stuff, but I would say his dates are off.

I particularly liked his "foundations in the stars" where he describes almost the same astrological information as Fomenko about the Egyptian horoscopes.  

Thats what i would say about your Anatoly T. Fomenko propaganda and recent work, I don't think his theories holds water and just serve to discredit as much history as possible or confuse history so one dosen't know what to believe anymore.

How so? please let us discuss it. Does his theories go against British Israelism and Christian Identity? I think he clears history up quite nicely, but it goes against everything that British Israelism and Christian Identity teaches. He gives Jesus his props, just in a different time.

In fact it has cleared things up so much for me that I now understand, Linburgh, Disney, McCarthy, Rockwell etc.....

I enjoyed some your earlier shows, remember gem this   ( thanks)  :

     "Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that,

        "A holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."

    "Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction

        "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."

It is a gem and you're welcome

Religions have indeed been "permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses". Before anybody dismisses religion and the bible totally. I mean 100%,  maybe they should look at the beliefs of the people who built western civilisation during the last 10 centuries, their own forefathers. Mobes covered some of this on his recent show (# 14  about 20 mins in ). The bible is the basis for common law and 64% of the constitution.

http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/mobes/RiggOnomics14.mp3

I don't disagree

When so many holes are poked in history like Fomenko does it only serves to erode the foundations upon which society has been built upon.
If Fomenko's work becomes accepted by society then society would be forced to revaluate all their beliefs. What debased and corrupt system will be derived from the current cesspool of moral corruption that we live in. I think the new morals of society would be :
 ""Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." This statement is taken from the first chapter verse 40 of the The Book of the Law, also know as Liber al vel Legis, which is claimed to have been communicated to Aleister Crowley by a discarnate entity known as Aiwass on April 8, 9 and 10 in 1904, in Cairo, Egypt."

You are doing the Jews work for them i am afraid.

what a sad statement. So you are saying that people need their illusions in order to live good lives. I am sure you are correct that most people need their illusion to function. As far as me doing the Jews work, I am just asking questions and expanding my mind. Reading everything believing nothing unless I can prove it my self. I do offer opinions based on research and comparisons. I would love to discuss and investigate with you these. I personally feel that people need to reevaluate all their beliefs, and see that it's all been a lie.

Well, I believe I am doing God's work. He inspires me to seek the truth and share it with you. I have been called, even if it means that I must suffer, be persecuted, stoned, crucified, denied, ridiculed, laughed at, I must continue to spread his truth. The truth is we are all God's children and therefore should love and respect one another, and not believe in the lies of history or some group with an agenda.

Perhaps Andrew Carrington Hitchcock says it better than i can in an interview on the subject where he talks about what he has learned since writing his book The Synagogue Of Satan
http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-22187/TS-176347.mp3

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp;jsessionid=848A062F791271BD27019DF7C49F6934.prod118_4?masterId=22187&pageNumber=1&pageSize=15

I will have a listen

I don't like the term "Christian Identity" or "British Israel" as they has also been hijacked also.
Our beliefs can be best described as following the teaching of early christanity as taught by Jesus HIMSELF before the jews of the day corrupted and twisted his message.
Jesus said ""Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34"

The only way we will be sucessful against our oppressors is by morally upgrading our society. Unfortunately I also believe that before we can do this as a society we must 1st plumet to the furthest the depths of depravity and wickedness for a few years at least until we learn our lesson good and well. Then perhaps we will willingly upgrade our morals as a society and as a whole.

What would you like to be called If "Christian Identity" or "British Israel" are not the right terms.  Shall I call you a member of the true house of Israel or house of Judah? Please let me know what terms to use.

Anyone else who wants to know more about the differences between a Jew and an Israelite and how their beliefs has been hijacked there is a gold mine of mp3 files at

http://www.israelect.com/reference/BertrandLComparet/sermons/

I think everyone should listen to Bertrand, I have been using him in my shows lately, but I am sure you are aware of that.

Also George Gordon is not a JEW he's a christian who follows the mosaic laws i.e. early christanity. as layed down by Moses.

Confused by what i have written, I am not surprised your religion and beliefs have been "permeated with Judaism"

Jesus said the truth will set you free from the system that seeks to control you.

I am not confused and know you well. And as I pointed out, I though George was a member of the "House of Judah". Is that the right term?

peace