Fluorine Compounds Make You Stupid

[vaultkeeper]

Reposted with permission from http://www.sott.net

Fluorine Compounds Make you Stupid

Why is the Government not merely allowing, but promoting them?

Reading today's story: UK Minister orders fluoride to be added to water reminded us that some years ago we had a discussion here at SOTT about Prozac.  Someone mentioned the technical name of the compound and it was noted that it was similar to Fluoride (Fluoxetine Hydrochloride).  So, several members of the group started looking at this issue and, yes, sure enough, the same basic poison that is being used to dumb us down in so many other ways, is being given to people as a prescription for any number of psychological problems. I guess that the Powers that Be figure if you are made stupid enough, you won't have brains enough to be depressed. This material was compiled for Signs of the Times by mgt and we have updated some of the old links. It's still shocking.

[Note: portions of this summary are drawn from a number of more extensive articles at fluoridealert.org]

A lot of attention has been brought forth in recent years by alternative medical researchers and others regarding the issue of fluorine compounds (the most common are fluorides) in drinking water, toothpaste, food and beverage products, household products like Teflon(TM), and as we recently learned, as a component in a number of pharmaceutical drugs as well.

Environmentalists have become increasingly concerned about the widespread effects of fluorides in air pollution, both in gaseous and particulate form. The leading causes of fluoride air pollution today include the manufacture of phosphates for fertilizer and other uses, the manufacture of insecticides, aluminum, plastics and many other products. In addition, in the past, the atomic weapons industry has contributed greatly to the overall levels of toxic fluoride pollution in many communities. These statements and more will be supported in the following article. The EPA, charged with protecting the environment (which I take to also mean the environment people live and work in) has long dragged their heels in addressing the fluoride pollution issues.

Part I - The Wishing Well

Since the days of WWII the Federal Government in the US has made a strong push to convince all communities to fluoridate their water, and they drafted assistance the US Department of Public Health and the American Dental Association in this effort. A push which, by the way, still continues today. Thomas Reeves, of the CDC, is a water engineer responsible for overseeing the US fluoridation program (as of May 2001).

Declassified documents obtained by by Joel Griffiths and Chris Bryson (1) appear to show that:

"Fluoride was the key chemical in atomic bomb production, according to the documents. Massive quantities of fluoride-- millions of tons-- were essential for the manufacture of bomb-grade uranium and plutonium for nuclear weapons throughout the Cold War. One of the most toxic chemicals known, fluoride rapidly emerged as the leading chemical health hazard of the U.S atomic bomb program--both for workers and for nearby communities, the documents reveal."

They also showed that there was a clear conflict of interest between dealing with the high toxicity of the fluorine by products of production and the wish of the government to give a "clean bill of health to fluoridation projects as the following selection of quotes from "Waste-not#414" show:

" Much of the original proof that fluoride is safe for humans in low doses was generated by A-bomb program scientists, who had been secretly ordered to provide "evidence useful in litigation" against defense contractors for fluoride injury to citizens. The first lawsuits against the U.S. A-bomb program were not over radiation, but over fluoride damage, the documents show."

" Human studies were required. Bomb program researchers played a leading role in the design and implementation of the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoridating public drinking water--conducted in Newburgh, New York from 1945 to 1956. Then, in a classified operation code-named "Program F," they secretly gathered and analyzed blood and tissue samples from Newburgh citizens, with the cooperation of State Health Department personnel."

" The original secret version--obtained by these reporters--of a 1948 study published by Program F scientists in the Journal of the American Dental Association shows that evidence of adverse health effects from fluoride was censored by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) --considered the most powerful of Cold War agencies-- for reasons of national security."

" The bomb program's fluoride safety studies were conducted at the University of Rochester, site of one of the most notorious human radiation experiments of the Cold War, in which unsuspecting hospital patients were injected with toxic doses of radioactive plutonium. The fluoride studies were conducted with the same ethical mind-set, in which "national security" was paramount. "

" The U.S. government's conflict of interest--and its motive to prove fluoride "safe" -- has not until now been made clear to the general public in the furious debate over water fluoridation since the 1950's, nor to civilian researchers and health professionals, or journalists."

So it seems the government and their contractors had (and still have) a strong fiscal incentive in "whitewashing" the whole fluoride story.

The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta still maintain that water fluoridation is safe and effective.

Thomas Reeves, CDC water engineer and the man currently responsible for overseeing the US fluoridation program made the following statements in a letter. (And I have to ask why is this a Federal program anyway? Wouldn't this logically be a personal choice or at least decided at the community level?  The answer to this becomes clear further down.)

"All of the fluoride chemicals used in the U.S. for water fluoridation, sodium fluoride, sodium fluorosilicate, and fluorosilicic acid, are byproducts of the phosphate fertilizer industry. The manufacturing process produces two byproducts: (1) a solid, calcium sulfate (sheetrock, CaSo4); and (2) the gases, hydrofluoric acid (HF) and silicon terafluoride (SiF4). A simplified explanation of this manufacturing process follows: Apatite rock, a calcium mineral found in central Florida, is ground up and treated with sulfuric acid, producing phosphoric acid and the two byproducts, calcium sulfate and the two gas emissions. Those gases are captured by product recovery units (scrubbers) and condensed into 23% fluorosilicic acid. Sodium fluoride and sodium fluorosilicate are made from this acid."

"The question of toxicity, purity, and risk to humans from the addition of fluoride chemicals to the drinking water sometimes arises. Almost all of over 40 water treatment chemicals that may be used at the water plant are toxic to humans in their concentrated form; e.g., chlorine gas and the fluoride chemicals are no exception. Added to the drinking water in very small amounts, the fluoride chemicals dissociate virtually 100% into their various components (ions) and are very stable, safe, and non-toxic."

Here he reverts to what I call the "diversionary" argument, i.e.; he points out the toxicity of other chemicals such as chlorine as a defense for using fluorides. At no point does he actually address the toxicity of fluorine/fluorides per se except to just say it is "safe". I guess we are just supposed to take his word on that.

"It is an ill wind blows no good"

In 1944 a severe pollution accident occurred at the E.I. du Pont du Nemours Company chemical factory in Deepwater, New Jersey. This factory was then producing fluoride, in the millions of pounds, for the then Top-Secret Manhattan Project. It also appears they were processing free uranium there, but that was never an issue in this accident.

The farms directly downwind of this factory in two counties were adversely affected, causing blighted crops and "burned up peaches" as one farmer put it. Poultry died. Farmhand who ate the produce sickened quickly and "frequently vomited all night and into the next day" The horses were sick and too stiff to work and the cattle were so weak they had to graze crawling. The humans were reported to have an abnormally high fluoride content in their blood. This account was confirmed by Philip Sadtler of Sadtler Laboratories of Philadelphia, who had personally conducted the initial investigation into the incident. In 1946, after the wars end, the farmers filed the first ever lawsuit to come out of the Atom Bomb project:

From the Philadelphia Record, October 18, 1946

"First Atom Bomb Suit - for Ruined Peaches - Filed by Salem County Growers for $400,000

A dozen orchard owners in Salem County (NJ) blamed the atomic bomb yesterday for their ruined 1944 peach crop. And - they're not fooling.

"For they filed suit in New Jersey Supreme Court for $400,000 to make good for their losses. Named in the suit - first of its kind- are three chemical manufacturers whose products went into the manufacture of atomic bombs. They are E.I. duPont de Nemours Company, which has a plant at Deepwater, Salem County; the Sun Oil Company and the General Chemical Company, both of Marcus Hook, Pa. The bill of complaint made no mention of the atomic bomb but attributed the damage to hydrogen fluoride and hydrofluoric acid."

This got the attention of the government swiftly. Manhattan Project chief Major General Leslie R.Groves convened secret meetings between U.S War Department, the Manhattan Project, the Food and Drug Administration, the Agriculture and Justice Departments, the U.S Army's Chemical Warfare Service and Edgewood Arsenal, the Bureau of Standards, and du Pont lawyers. Declassified documents reveal that they agreed to mobilize all resources necessary to effect a defeat of the farmers' claims.

27 August 1945

To: The Commanding General, Army Service Forces, Pentagon Building, Washington D.C.

"At the request of the Secretary of War the Department of Agriculture has agreed to cooperate in investigating complaints of crop damage attributed... to fumes from a plant operated in connection with the Manhattan Project."

Signed, L.R. Groves, Major General U.S.A

Manhattan Project Lieutenant Colonel Cooper B. Rhodes wrote in a memo to General Groves: [these agencies] "are making scientific investigations to obtain evidence which may be used to protect the interest of the Government at the trial of the suits brought by owners of peach orchards in ... New Jersey,"

General Groves wrote "The Department of Justice is cooperating in the defense of these suits," to the Chairman of the U.S. Senate Special Committee on Atomic Energy, in a Feb. 28, 1946 memo.

So a few farmers apparently generated, in the words of Griffiths and Bryson, "a national-security emergency". Why? Because at this point the US was in full scale production of atomic weapons deemed essential to US post-war domination and leadership and the lawsuits were seen as a potential "roadblock". A favorable ruling for the farmers would set a precedent and potentially derail the whole program, dependant as it was, on the production of fluoride.

Griffiths and Bryson write:

"In a subsequent secret Manhattan project memo, a broader solution to the public relations problem was suggested by chief fluoride toxicologist Harold C. Hodge. He wrote to the Medical Section chief, Col. Warren: 'Would there be any use in making attempts to counteract the local fear of fluoride on the part of residents of Salem and Gloucester counties through lectures on F toxicology and perhaps the usefulness of F in tooth health?' Such lectures were indeed given, not only to New Jersey citizens but to the rest of the nation throughout the Cold War."

This is the origin of the entire national water fluoridation project. Hodge's suggestion was brilliant, if somewhat Machiavellian, in that by creating a large "background" presence of fluorine compounds in the environment, esp. the water supply, any future claims of fluoride damage by civilians would be very hard to document and prove in court.

Evidence that the government was well aware of the toxicity problems associated with fluorides in any form dates to at least 1943. Here is a memo reporting on that discussion:

29 September 1943

On 31 August a meeting was held to discuss the allocation of a portion of the experimental program involving the study of the toxicological effect of various special materials. Present at the meeting were: Dr. Col. Ruhoff, Major Hadlock, Lt. Sturgie (Special Materials), Dr. Wensel, Dr. Stone, Dr. Tannenbaum (Chicago Project), Dr. Hodge (Rochester Project), Dr. Warren, Major Friedell, Capt. (Medical Section).

It was decided that a conference on the toxicity of fluorine compounds should be held with the view to orienting those concerned with the specific problems which may arise. It was recommended that a program be arranged by the Public Health Service since some of their members have more exhaustive studies into the biological effects of fluorine and its compounds. The tentative arrangements met with approval of Lt. Col. Ruhoff, and it was contemplated that those companies actively engaged in the production of F, F2, and fluorides be invited. The meeting was also to be attended by representatives of the Manhattan District but their association with the District would be concealed by appropriate measures. . .

(Unsigned)
cc: Lt. Col. Ruhoff
Dr. R.S. Stone

Footnotes to Part 1

(1) Joel Griffiths is a medical writer in New York City, author of a book on radiation hazards and numerous articles for medical and popular publications. Joel can be contacted at 212-662-6695.

Chris Bryson holds a Masters degree from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, and has worked for the British Broadcasting Corporation, The Manchester Guardian, The Christian Science Monitor and Public Television. Chris can be contacted at 212-665-3442.

?Part 2 - Fluorides in Water Systems and Dentistry

?Fluoridation of Municipal Water Supplies

France, Germany, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Northern Ireland, Austria and the Czech Republic do NOT put fluorides in their water supply! If fluoridation is such a boon to mankind, why on earth would so many European nations refuse to do it? According to statements from these governments, the main reason is that they consider it unethical medication of persons without prior consent.

In the case of the Netherlands, their water was fluorinated until their Supreme Court threw it out. (June 22, 1973)

The Czech Republic said this:

"Since 1993, drinking water has not been treated with fluoride in public water supplies throughout the Czech Republic. Although fluoridation of drinking water has not actually been proscribed it is not under consideration because this form of supplementation is considered:

Uneconomical (only 0.54% of water suitable for drinking is used as such; the remainder is employed for hygiene etc. Furthermore, an increasing amount of consumers (particularly children) are using bottled water for drinking (underground water usually with fluor)

Unecological (environmental load by a foreign substance)

Unethical ("forced medication")

Toxicologically and physiologically debatable (fluoridation represents an untargeted form of supplementation which disregards actual individual intake and requirements and may lead to excessive health-threatening intake in certain population groups; [and] complexation of fluor in water into non biological active forms of fluor." (Dr. B. Havlik, Ministerstvo Zdravotnictvi Ceske Republiky, October 14, 1999).

According to data from the World Health Organization these countries have about the same level of tooth decay as the United States which is 60% fluoridated. In addition to the US, the UK, the former USSR and Australia do or did until recently use fluoridation.

We have already seen why the United States and it's prime defense contractors and manufacturers such as DuPont) was so interested in this "forced medication" program and went to great lengths to promote and implement it. Now lets take a look at the consequences.

Fluorosis (over-fluoridation of teeth resulting in white spots later becoming brownish spots and extreme brittleness) is becoming an epidemic problem.

Vulnerable population segments include the elderly, people with diabetes, deficiencies of calcium, vitamin C, cardiovascular problems, kidney problems, underactive thyroids or those with hypersensitivity to fluoride.

Aluminum uptake to the brain has been shown to be facilitated by fluoride.

"Rats fed for one year with 1 ppm fluoride (either as sodium fluoride or aluminum fluoride) in doubly distilled and de-ionized water, were found to have increased levels of aluminum in their brain and amyloid deposits (11). Amyloid deposits in the brain are associated with Alzheimer's disease."

In addition, other studies have suggested fluoride also facilitates aluminum uptake in bone tissue resulting in increased osteoporosis and other bone weaknesses causing proneness to fracture. The fact that kids nowadays seem to get broken bones much easier is surely no cooincidence.

Accumulation in bones, pineal gland and other tissues.

Suppression of normal thyroid function (may be useful in treating hyperthyroid condition). In fact the amount of fluoride ingested daily by most Americans is in excess of that used to treat hyperthyroidism.

Hazardous Wastes - because all fluorides used for municipal treatment are derived from industrial waste (as stated above by Reeves, CDC), arsenic, lead and other highly toxic metals and compounds including radioactive isotopes can easily be brought along with it.

Fluorosilicic acid or sodium fluorosilicate (silicofluorides) are used in 90% of water treatment programs and A study published in the journal Neurotoxicology (27) found that blood lead levels in children were consistently and significantly higher in New York communities where silicofluorides were used to fluoridate the water.

Other studies have found an association between fluoride and Down's Syndrome

This is just a sampling of the increasing number of findings about the health consequences of fluorides. For more information on this subject try these links:

http://www.fluoridealert.org

http://www.fluoridation.com


Fluorides and the Dental Industry

The primary justification for fluoridation has always been that it prevents Caries in children's teeth. Let's take closer look at the history of dentistry and fluoridation.

According to Dr. Paul Connet, PHD, the very claims of dental benefit are dubious are best. He states:

"The benefits to teeth are questionable."

3. The key initial studies which purported to show that fluoride was a benefit to teeth, conducted in Grand Rapids, Michigan (1945), Newburgh, New York (1945), Evanston, Illinois (1947), and Brantford, Ontario, Canada (1945), were of a very dubious scientific quality. This is fully and thoroughly documented by Dr. Philip Sutton in his book, "The Greatest Fraud: Fluoridation"

(1). While the science was dubious, the confidence of the US Public Health Service (PHS) was enormous. In April 1951, before any single fluoridation trial had been completed, the US Surgeon General, Leonard Scheele, was telling a Senate Subcommittee on Appropriations, "During the past year our studies progressed to the point where we could announce an unqualified endorsement of the fluoridation of the public water supplies as a mass procedure for reducing tooth decay by two thirds"

(2). Subsequent Surgeon Generals have continued to act as cheerleaders for this procedure. Their passionate promotion bears little relation to the quality of the science involved in fluoridation, either to its efficacy or to its safety. Another Surgeon General, Thomas Parran, stated, "I consider water fluoridation to be the greatest single advance in dental health made in our generation"

(3). Such an opinion sharply contrasts with that of former US EPA scientist, Dr. Robert Carton, who after he examined the evidence declared, "Fluoridation is a scientific fraud, probably the greatest fraud of the century"

(4). The early studies upon which the entire program was built are now shown to be seriously flawed. In fact there never was a truly scientific double-blind study done on fluoridation in those days! Dr. Connet is kind in his assessment that these scientists were simply over-enthusiastic in their efforts.

From Part 1 above, we already know the real reasons these tests were set up to achieve the results they did.

Dr. Connet goes on to talk about not only a lack of evident benefit, but actually severe tooth damage as the result of fluoridation:

Meanwhile, considerable evidence has accumulated that the state of children's permanent teeth in non-fluoridated communities, as measured by their DMFT (decayed, missing and filled teeth) values, is just as good as (if not better than) those in fluoridated communities. For example, in 1995 the teeth of the children in fluoridated Newburgh were again compared to those in still unfluoridated Kingston (this study started in 1945) and there was little difference in the DMFT values across the 7-14 years age range.

If an average is taken the children in unfluoridated Kingston had slightly better DMFT values. However, there was one big difference: the average levels of dental fluorosis were about twice as high in fluoridated Newburgh as it was in unfluoridated Kingston (7). Dental fluorosis is a mottling of the teeth. In its mildest form it consists of white patches or streaks. As the severity increases the color of the patches changes from white to yellow, to orange and then to brown. In its severest form dental fluorosis results in loss of tooth enamel and extreme brittleness. The only known cause of dental fluorosis is exposure to fluoride and the rates are increasing.

The argument used by the pro-fluoride authors of the Newburgh-Kingston study is that the improvement in DMFTs in non-fluoridated Kingston is due to exposure to fluoride from other sources: fluoridated toothpaste, beverages and processed food. If we accept this argument at face value then it completely undermines the need to add fluoride to the drinking water since a better result (i.e. slightly better DMFTs and less dental fluorosis) was achieved in Kingston without fluoridation."

There is not space here to go into the all the more recent studies and tests, which clearly implicate Fluorides in a whole host of dental, medical and mental problems. A search of the web will easily turn up hundreds of pages on these topics for those who will like to pursue it more.

OK, we know the government and big industry did this to us to protect their pocketbooks. Why the dentists went along with it can only be speculated, but I suspect in the beginning there was considerable pressure put on the dentists by the agencies that regulate them, and of course they were presented with the same flawed studies that everyone else was. And dentists, like many doctors, frequently fail to continue their education after they have left medical/dental school. But there may be an ulterior motive as well - given the kind of damage fluorides produce in the teeth of a significant portion of the population, fluoridation may have actually resulted in more work and profits for dentists rather than the opposite which would be expected if the claims of fluoride benefits were actually true.

Despite the current awareness among the public that there may be serious problems with fluoridation, many dentists continue to promote and sell fluoride treatments (the same one who continue to promote and use mercury-amalgam fillings I would suppose, but that is for another article!). And the CDC and the government continue to promote and expand the fluoridation program. The EPA has carefully sidestepped the question and steadfastly refused to take any action, however, the union of scientists representing EPA research scientists has come out and demanded a moratorium on fluoridation until better study and analysis of the problem can be done. This should be a wakeup call to the public and to the communities still administering fluorides to their constituents.

Part 3 - Chemicals/Drugs containing Fluorine Compounds

HF (hydrogen fluoride or hydrofluoric acid)

Today hundreds of industrial and manufacturing processes use hydrofluoric acid, much of which escapes in gas form into the atmosphere as pollution. It is the 6th most emitted air pollutant in the US. Some of the suspected medical indications from exposure include the following:

[mastermg]

Doesn't the government also drink Fluoridated water? What happens to us is also happening to them.

[joeblow]

Doesn't the government also drink Fluoridated water? What happens to us is also happening to them.

I'm not butt-kissing at all, but this thought has NEVER crossed my mind! What the hell do they use? Maybe they take some medicine/antidote?

[vaultkeeper]

Of course our government is fluoridated - just like most of the population............ the government are not the masterminds, only the enforcers, and the masterminds need for their chosen enforcers to be drugged docile as well.  

Who knows............ you raise a good question.......... how do the masterminds avoid the poison?

[Jimma]

when you run water through saw a brita water filter does that remove fluoride? And if not is there type of filter or technique that does?

[girlyoudontknow2]

From what I have read and been told, Brita filters are not adequate to get rid of flouride.  I know that reverse osmosis systems do filter out at least most flouride.  They are more expensive, but worth it, IMO.

[edis2k]

I've read in an article about the wonders of magnesium and that its supposed to filter out all fluoride. The article also goes into detail about an experiment that they did on rats, where scientists started taking out certain compounds and elements from the rats diets. They went through a few but when they took out magnesium it had drastic affects on the rats and they all shortly died. I'll have to get an update on that but untill then its all just speculation.

[Canard]

when you run water through saw a brita water filter does that remove fluoride? And if not is there type of filter or technique that does?

No it does not, reverse osmosis will do it. They cost a lot though.

[Canard]

I've read in an article about the wonders of magnesium and that its supposed to filter out all fluoride. The article also goes into detail about an experiment that they did on rats, where scientists started taking out certain compounds and elements from the rats diets. They went through a few but when they took out magnesium it had drastic affects on the rats and they all shortly died. I'll have to get an update on that but untill then its all just speculation.

Link?

[edis2k]

Cant remember the link sorry to say, will have to look for it but did save a few lines from the article

"For the method being used to remove the fluorine from the water was to pass the water
through magnesium oxide, or better still, a magnesium substance called magnesite."

I'll try to find the link as best i can.

[kolnidre]

I'm not butt-kissing at all, but this thought has NEVER crossed my mind! What the hell do they use? Maybe they take some medicine/antidote?

Actually, as soon as fluoridation was introduced to the US water supply the House and Senate's drinking water was immediately isolated from that of the cattle. I've seen several references to this sinister and cynical action, but can't think off-hand of where. Will add links if and when I turn it up.

[Canard]

yeah if you had info proving the senate wasnt fluoridated and the work was done, that would be fucking awesome info. search your memory banks r2.

[Lix Tetrax]

Fluorine displaces iodine.

 Replacing iodine in the water supply is necessary. Filtering fluorine is necessary.  :evil:

[K-Sensor]

Fluorine displaces iodine.   Replacing iodine in the water supply is necessary. Filtering fluorine is necessary.  :evil:

That's interesting to know.   Personally I've been buying fluoride free toothpaste for over a year and noticed marked improvements.  Better teeth too!

My health went into free fall after getting out of two computer retail shops I owned and ran.  I was drinking diet coke and eating carbohydrates during the work hours and partying with friends after hours on weekends.   I ended up with chronic fatigue and other other illnesses that I'm just starting to recover from after 8 years.  Going vegetarian was a way forward too.

Regarding the iodine, my brother suffers from hyperthyroidism.  It's said that fluoride stops the symptoms, but thinking about it, if iodine is removed then it's really the cause of the thyroid issue.

[K-Sensor]

I've been meaning to build a solar distiller, but haven't got around to it.  I'd love to learn glass blowing to build the glass components.

[Canard]

here's what i do about fluoride.  I filter thru brita, for the medications in the water.  I then let it for 24 hours in glass containers(thanks about the glass tip joe) after 24 hours chlorine and fluoride are gone.  I do the same for my crops, but am still using plastic containers for them, hopefully its somewhat dissipated by the soil.  I need to get some more glass containers. When I take showers they are short, i try to do navy style(get wet, turn off, lather, rinse) I also try not to make it too hot, the gas form is very dangerous too, all windows and doors open, plus a fan.  Good luck guys.

[OMEGA]

I feel obligated to inform you that unless you are using Reverse Osmosis, the fluoride in your water has not been removed. To my knowledge, Brita filters do not remove the contaminant.

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry ... uoride.htm

[Canard]

LOL @

Steps to Reduce Fluoride Exposure

    * Don't take fluoride supplements.

[Canard]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=C ... tesearch=#

[Yippy]

One would think that background levels of fluoride (what naturally occurs in the environment) which we have been consuming for ages would be safe.

Would this be right?

[Anonymous]

I think the natural important type of fluoride is calcium fluoride, but I could be wrong ...

[sullivan]

I think the natural important type of fluoride is calcium fluoride, but I could be wrong ...

No, you are right, and it is precisely the sort of flouride you won't see in dental preparations or added to the water supply.

[Canard]

Yeah I have found the same conclusions that sullivan has.  Check out that video I linked 3 posts up, if you haven't already it's called Fluoride Deception.  Id really like feedback from the board on it.  I think it's only 30 minutes.

[theshowpodcast.com]

fluoride and mind control document:

http://www.archive.org/download/fluorid ... ontrol.doc

[K-Sensor]

just a quick tip-bit.  Vitamin C is supposed to do wonders in removing fluoride from your system.  Try to get some without artificial sweeteners.