Let's Quote the Talmud, Shall We?

[LordLindsey]

http://www.rense.com/general86/talmd.htm

I wish like Hell that I could show web pages like Mike and others can, but here are the words; nevertheless.

"Jewish Talmudic Quotes - Facts Are Facts
From Acharya S
7-26-9
 
Talmudic Quotes
 
The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.
 
Rabbi Menachen, Comments for the Fifth Book
 
Jehovah himself in heaven studies the Talmud, standing: he has such respect for that book.
 
Tractate Mechilla/Me'ilah
 
R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses commanded us a law for an inheritance; it is our inheritance, not theirs. Then why is this not included in the Noachian laws? -- On the reading morasha [an inheritance] he steals it; on the reading me'orasah [betrothed], he is guilty as one who violates a betrothed maiden, who is stoned. An objection is raised: R. Meir used to say. Whence do we know that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest? From the verse, [Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments:] which, if man do, he shall live in them. Priests, Levites, and Israelites are not mentioned, but men: hence thou mayest learn that even a heathen who studies the Torah is as a High Priest! -- That refers to their own seven laws.
 
Sanhedrin 59a
 
To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.
 
Libbre David 37
 
A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.
 
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17
 
We beg Thee, O Lord, indict Thy wrath on the nations not believing in Thee, and not calling on Thy name. Let down Thy wrath on them and inflict them with Thy wrath. Drive them away in Thy wrath and crush them into pieces. Take away, O Lord, all bone from them. In a moment indict all disbelievers. Destroy in a moment all foes of Thy nation. Draw out with the root, disperse and ruin unworthy nations. Destroy them! Destroy them immediately, in this very moment!
 
Prayer said on the eve of Passover (Pranajtis: Christianus in Talmudae Judeorum, quotations from: Synagoga Judaica)
 
The Feast of Tabernacles is the period when Israel triumphs over the other people of the world. That is why during this feast we seize the loulab and carry it as a trophy to show that we have conquered all other peoples, known as "populace"...
 
Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
 
When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.
 
Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D
 
Resh Lakish said: He who is observant of fringes will be privileged to be served by two thousand eight hundred slaves, for it is said, Thus saith the Lord of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you, etc.
 
Mas. Shabbath 31b
 
On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle.
 
Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII
 
When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.
 
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156
 
If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.
 
Choschen Hamm 388, 15
 
Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: "Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh; they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath." At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: "The Lord alone will appear great on that day!...
 
Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
 
That the Jewish nation is the only nation selected by God, while all the remaining ones are contemptible and hateful.
 
That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.
 
A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.
 
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348
 
R. Hanina said: If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death; for it is written, And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian. [Ex. 2:12] R. Hanina also said: He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, one who smiteth man [i.e. an Israelite] attacketh the Holy One.
 
Sanhedrin 58b
[In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.]
 
If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.
 
Tosefta, Aboda Zara, VIII, 5
 
Has it not been taught: "With respect to robbery -- if one stole or robbed or [seized] a beautiful woman, or [committed] similar offences, if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean ["Cuthean" or "Samaritan" = goy/gentile/heathen/non-Jew] against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained?" But if robbery is a capital offence, should not the Tanna have taught: He incurs a penalty? -- Because the second clause wishes to state, "but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained," therefore the former clause reads, "[theft of an Israelite by a Cuthean] must not be kept." But where a penalty is incurred, it is explicitly stated, for the commencing clause teaches: "For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty?"
 
Sanhedrin 57a
[Translation: A Jew may rob a Goy, but a Goy may not rob a Jew. If a Goy murders another Goy or a Jew, he should be killed, but a Jew will not be incur the death penalty for killing a non-Jew.]
 
Kill the Goyim by any means possible.
 
Choshen Ha'mishpat 425:50
 
Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.
 
Yalkut 245c
 
Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.
 
Zohar, Shemoth
 
Tob shebbe goyyim harog - Even the best of the Goyim (Gentiles) should be killed.
 
Soferim 15, Rule 10
[NB: Hoffman says, "This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, 'Gentile,' (p. 617)." Another source says this passage is at Avodah Zara 26b. We have not been able to verify any of these references. It does not seem to be at Avodah Zara 26b of the Soncino edition.]
 
What is [the meaning of] Mount Sinai? The mountain whereon there descended hostility [sin'ah ] toward idolaters [non-Jews].
 
Shabbath 89a
 
The same has been taught as follows: If the ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite [non-Jew] there is no liability, but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite... the payment is to be in full, as it is said: He stood and measured the earth, he beheld and drove asunder the nations [Gentiles], and again, He shined forth from Mount Paran...implying that from Paran he exposed their money to Israel.
 
Baba Kama 38a
[Trans: The property of the Israelite is more valuable than that of the Gentile. Mount Paran refers to Deut. 33:2, where God offered the law to the nations (Gentiles), who rejected it. The money of the Gentiles is available to the Israelites.]
 
ONE SHOULD NOT PLACE CATTLE IN HEATHENS' INNS, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF IMMORAL PRACTICE WITH THEM. A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE ALONE WITH THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF LEWDNESS, NOR SHOULD A MAN BE ALONE WITH THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUSPECTED OF SHEDDING BLOOD. . .
 
Why then should we not leave female animals alone with female heathens? -- Said Mar 'Ukba b. Hama: Because heathens frequent their neighbours' wives, and should one by chance not find her in, and find the cattle there, he might use it immorally. You may also say that even if he should find her in he might use the animal, as a Master has said: Heathens prefer the cattle of Israelites to their own wives, for R. Johanan said: When the serpent came unto Eve he infused filthy lust into her.
 
Avodah Zarah 22a-b
 
He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over heathens or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: Upon the flesh of man [adam] shall it not be poured; and cattle and vessels are not man. Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not man. But why is one exempt in the case of heathens; are they not in the category of adam?-No, it is written: And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are adam [man]: Ye are called adam but heathens are not called 'adam. But is it not written: And the persons [adam] were sixteen thousand? -- Because it is used in opposition to cattle. But is it not written: And should I not have pity on Nineveh [that great city, wherein are more than six score thousand persons [adam]?--This too is used in opposition to cattle.
 
Mas. K'rithoth 6b
[This passage refers to anointing with oil. "Heathens," i.e., Gentiles, are not "adam" or man but are equated with cattle]
 
An objection was raised: And the persons were sixteen thousand!--This is due to [the mention of] cattle. Wherein are more than six-score thousand persons that cannot discern between their right and their left hand!--This is due [to the mention of] cattle.
 
Mas. Yevamoth 61b
[Again non-Jews are referred to as "cattle."]
 
All Israelites will have a part in the future world... The Goyim, at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down to hell.
 
Zohar, Shemoth, Toldoth Noah, Lekh-Lekha
 
Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
 
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L
 
Everything a Jew needs for his church ritual no goy is permitted to manufacture, but only a Jew, because this must be manufactured by human beings and the Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings.
 
Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39
 
A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.
 
Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348
 
A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.
 
Gad. Shas. 2:2
 
A boy-goy after nine years and one day old, and a girl after three years and one day old, are considered filthy.
 
Pereferkowicz, Talmud t.v., p. 11
 
Raba stated: With reference to the Rabbinical statement that [legally] an Egyptian [Gentile] has no father, it must not be imagined that this is due to [the Egyptians'] excessive indulgence in carnal gratification, owing to which it is not known [who the father was], but that if this were known it is to be taken into consideration; but [the fact is] that even if this is known it is not taken into consideration.... Thus it may be inferred that the All Merciful declared their children to be legally fatherless, for [so indeed it is also] written, Whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
 
Yevamoth 98a
[Trans.: A non-Jew is "legally fatherless," regardless of whether or not the father is known. Gentile children are essentially asses and horses, i.e., animals.]
 
[The daughters of the heathens] should be considered as in the state of <http://jewish.com/askarabbi/askarabbi/askr4942.htm>niddah [separation?] from their cradle...
 
Avodah Zarah 36b
 
They decreed in connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal emission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit pederasty with him.... It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen girl [communicates defilement] from the age of three years and one day, for inasmuch as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious!
 
Avodah Zarah 36b-37a
 
R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition [intercourse], and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. The penalty of adultery may be incurred through her; [if a niddah] she defiles him who has connection with her, so that he in turn defiles that upon which he lies, as a garment which has lain upon [a person afflicted with gonorrhoea].
 
Sanhedrin 55b
 
Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that.24 (24) I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.
 
Sanhedrin 54b
 
Raba said. It means this: When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this [three years old], it is as if one puts the finger into the eye; but when a small boy has intercourse with a grown-up woman he makes her as 'a girl who is injured by a piece of wood.'...
 
Kethuboth 11b
[This debate concerns whether or not someone is a virgin. Virginity is prized above all, such that it is believed that a girl under the age of three will regain her virginity, even if a man has had intercourse with her. (Fn. 7 says, in regard to putting "the finger into the eye": "I.e., tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years.") Since virginity is prized above all, one could assume that this conclusion has allowed grown men to have sex with little girls with immunity. A grown-up woman is not deflowered by having sex with a small boy, however, since he is only like a "piece of wood."]
 
It was taught: R. Judah used to say, A man is bound to say the following three blessings daily: "[Blessed art thou...] who hast not made me a heathen," ".... who hast not made me a woman"; and "... who hast not made me a brutish man." R. Aha b. Jacob once overhead his son saying "[Blessed art thou...] who hast not made me a brutish man," whereupon he said to him, "And this too!" Said the other, "Then what blessing should I say instead?" [He replied,]...h who hast not made me a slave." And is not that the same as a woman? - a slave is more contemptible.
 
Menachoth 43b-44a
[A "prayer" or "benediction" to be said by a Jewish man every day: "Thank God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave."]
 
Do not save Goyim in danger of death.
 
Show no mercy to the Goyim.
 
Hilkkoth Akum X1
 
A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.
 
Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122
 
And he who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null.1 [HIS VOWS ARE THEN INVALID,] PROVIDING THAT HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW.
 
Nedarim 23b
[Essentially the "Kol Nidre" prayer said every year at Yom Kippur. Fn. 1 says: "This may have provided a support for the custom of reciting Kol Nidre (a formula for dispensation of vows) prior to the Evening Service of the Day of Atonement (Ran.). The context makes it perfectly obvious that only vows, where the maker abjures benefit from aught, or imposes an interdict of his own property upon his neighbour, are referred to. Though the beginning of the year (New Year) is mentioned here, the Day of Atonement was probably chosen on account of its great solemnity. But Kol Nidre as part of the ritual is later than the Talmud, and, as seen from the following statement about R. Huna h. Hinena, the law of revocation in advance was not made public."]"

[LatinAmericanview]

Where can one get an English or Spanish version of the Talmud? Clearly Rense is great source but I want my own copy. According to lore the only translated version came under the direct commission by the Tsar of Russia. I guess we can assume that the Tsar would be motivated to produce a faithful version without any embellishments. :roll:

[LatinAmericanview]

Where can one get an English or Spanish version of the Talmud?...I guess we can assume that the Tsar would be motivated to produce a faithful version without any embellishments.

I would assert that you assume correctly then ("unless" you were being facete: and you really must dispense with lore): the Tsar or his translators would hardly need to "embellish" the Talmud. Here's your downloadable and/or readable online English version...cannot direct you to a Spanish copy or translation [but "seek and ye shall find", I'm sure]:
 
http://www.come-and-hear.com/

Post Script to LAV: "Middle management /administrator" Mayer Amschel Rothschild read the Talmud to his family every night...before he sent them off to bed*.

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* http://www.answers.com/topic/mayer-rothschild

Rothschild attended a Jewish school called a heder, beginning at the age of three or four. There he studied the Jewish sacred books, the Torah and the Talmud. By the age of seven or eight, Rothschild and his classmates would have read the five books of Moses in Hebrew and Judendeutsch, a mixture of Hebrew and the Frankfurt dialect. (Frankfurt Jews did not speak Yiddish). Instruction at the heder did not include any secular subjects or German. At home, Rothschild helped with the family business, running errands to other moneylenders and sorting out various coins his father had exchanged for local money.

In 1775, at the age of eleven, Rothschild left the heder and went to study in a Jewish seminary, or yeshiva, near Nuremberg. etc., ad nauseum...

What was the Tsar motivation in exposing the Talmud? Keep in mind the Tsar would eventually be undone the Jews.

[MikeWB]

Problem with quoting Talmud is that there's hundreds of fake quotes and mistranslations that don't mean what the Talmud really says. So when you quote them and put Jews in a bad light, they strike your claims by asking you for the proof and when you look at the actual Talmud yourself, you don't find those quotes at all. So they win and discredit you.

If you really want to quote Talmud, don't quote Rense since Rense.com is overflowing with bullshit, propaganda and nonsense. Download Talmud yourself, say Soncino Babylonian Talmud pdfs, and then quote it. look up every quote in there and see if it: 1) exists and 2) really says what they're saying it says.

Quoting Rense is worse than not quoting at all.


Check out  how they make fools and idiots out of those who misquote:

Misquotes From Talmud?

What about the Jewish Talmud and these quotes? [Note: Click on the reference to get to my answer about a specific passage.] Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal." Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed." Sanhedrin 59a: "A Goy (Gentile) who pries into the law (Talmud) is guilty of death." Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything with a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly." Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is of three years of age." Sanhedrin 105ab: "Jesus fornicated with his jackass." Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung." Schabouth Hag. 6b: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording." Zohar 1,160a: "Jews must always try to deceive Christians." Hilkkoth Akum Z1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death." Choschen Ham 388, 15: "If it be proven that someone has given the money of israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth." Choschen Ham 266, 1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
Answer

These misquotes and fabrications come straight from the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan web site. Some cannot be explained simply because the quotes do not exist in the Talmud. Some references are to a book that does not exist in Talmud or any Jewish literature. Others are taken seriously out of context, or add words or thoughts that are not in the original.
1. Sanhedrin 59a says nothing about murdering the heathen, nor does it include the phrase "wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b is not even part of the Talmud. It is a commentary to the Talmud, and this passage is taken seriously out of context. What the original says is that all the Canaanites were to be killed under the conquest of Canaan under Joshua. We even find in the Bible that Joshua was to conquer the land completely, killing all the inhabitants. (Joshua 9:24)
3. Sanhedrin 59a does say, recording a conversation between two teachers, that one of them zealously said that a heathen who looks into the Law (the Torah, not the Talmud) should be guilty of death. It goes on to say, however, that the other teacher destroyed his argument, showing instead that a heathen who pries into the Law becomes as a High Priest. So this quote is taken out of context, just like the presidential candidates take their opponent's comments out of context for their own ads.
4. Libbre David 37 is a pure fabrication. There is no such tractate in Talmud, nor any such book or portion of a book in all of Jewish literature.
5. Yebhamoth 11b says nothing about intercourse with a little girl. Actually, the reference should be Ketaboth 11b, concerning betrothals. A footnote to that passage says that if a man were to have intercourse with a three year old she should not suffer the consequences of loss of virginity when she become eligible for marriage. The comment is actually a defense of victim's rights. The man who did such thing would be punished, but the victim shouldn't be.
6. Sanhedrin 105a talks about Balaam (of talking donkey fame), and does claim that he fornicated with his ass (presumably a Jenny Ass, not a jackass). It says absolutely nothing about Jesus. In fact, nothing is said about Jesus in the entire Talmud, much of which was written before Jesus was born or during his lifetime.
7. Gittin 57a tells of Balaam and some Jewish heretics suffering such fates. It does not mention Jesus or Christians. The heretics mentioned were probably the Sadduccees.
8. Shabouth Hag 6b doesn't exist in the Talmud. I could find no such reference, except in lists similar to the one you sent me.
9. Zohar 1, 160a and Hilkoth Akum are not part of Talmud. There is no such reference as Zohar 1, 160a. (Zohar references don't have letters in them, like Talmud references do.) I could find no passage in Zohar about deceiving Christians. In fact, the Zohar considered any deceit (no matter to whom it was directed) to be wrong.
10. Choschen Ham 388, 15 and 266,1 are not part of Talmud. There is no such book or tractate as Choschen Ham. It may be an abbreviation of Choshen HaMishpat, which is not part of Talmud. If it is Choshen HaMishpat that is intended the passages in question are taken seriously out of context. The first one actually says that if a Jew owes a debt to a non-Jew then he must repay it, but if the non-Jew would not accept repayment he might use deceit to give the money back.
The compilers of this list clearly had an agenda to push, and were not hesitant to lie and misrepresent in order to push it. It is similar to lists other groups have put forth to try and discredit the Jews or others, and end up showing themselves to be foolish instead.

So to avoid all these traps that destroy your credibility, go for the truth and get Talmud, find quotes and read it yourself. Don't trust anyone!

[LatinAmericanview]

The translations were never authorized by Jewry. For example the Bible was never authorized by the Vatican. So we are at a loss why they were printed for largely illiterate populace. The next question is why the Tsar had the Talmud translated in the first place?

[MikeWB]

See this:

Libbre David 37
 
A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.
 

There's no such book in Talmud. I just opened it, did a search and couldn't find it. Whoever wrote this had a clear motive and those who quote it are just discrediting themselves. A quick search on google shows that this book/quote appears only on white nationalist sites. If you wanted to manufacture something, why the heck would you go for an obvious route and create a completely false reference that references something that doesn't even exist? Is it to make it so obvious to everyone that the quote is bullshit so it completely discredits everyone who quotes it (white nationalist sites)?

This whole filed is completely full of lies, deceptions and propaganda so never trust everything you read. Always check and reference it yourself. I've learned this lesson myself early on. Don't repeat others' mistakes. Just go on a tracker, search for Talmud and download it and check.

Those idiot nazis are mostly controlled by the jews so they manufacture these quotes and use them against the jews and in the process they discredit themselves. Talmud's full of stuff against Goyim and there's no need to manufacture nonsense. But the thing about Talmud is that it's not overt hate like these quotes say. It's more subtle hate that needs to be studied to be explained to others. But these idiot nazis manufacture stuff anyway because they're just plain stupid to quote the real quotes and understand them, or are controlled by FBI/ADL and their controllers feed them this garbage and they repeat that shit and discredit themselves in the process.

[LatinAmericanview]

Another interesting thing is that I was certain that the Tsar had ordered the first translation of the Talmud. Apparently is was Ordered by the Pope.

An unexpected result of this affair was the complete printed edition of the Babylonian Talmud issued in 1520 by Daniel Bomberg at Venice, under the protection of a papal privilege. Three years later, in 1523, Bomberg published the first edition of the Jerusalem Talmud. After thirty years the Vatican, which had first permitted the Talmud to appear in print, undertook a campaign of destruction against it. On the New Year (September 9, 1553) the copies of the Talmud which had been confiscated in compliance with a decree of the Inquisition were burned at Rome; and similar burnings took place in other Italian cities, as at Cremona in 1559. The Censorship of the Talmud and other Hebrew works was introduced by a papal bull issued in 1554; five years later the Talmud was included in the first Index Expurgatorius; and Pope Pius IV commanded, in 1565, that the Talmud be deprived of its very name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#Att ... the_Talmud

I have not found any Tsar refferences.

[LatinAmericanview]

I a bit confused. I there King James Bible equivalent for the Talmud translated in English? Carol Valentine as a source is questionable. I just want the definitive English version Talmud preferably with how to cook Christian babies recipes.

[LatinAmericanview]

Your local library might have the Rodkinson translation...but you won't be able to check it out (I doubt), andif you try they'll get your name and hang you up by your gonads from a meat hook etc...ye'll die from loss of blood for sure.

:shock:

[scorpio]

What about the Steinsaltz translation of the Talmud? - it is supposed to be a fairly 'hot' version.
According to Israel Shahak, The only fully version of the Talmud are in HEBREW.
English is considered a goy language
Also Michael Hoffman gives many quotes from the Talmud  in his 1100 page book Judaism Discovered. I seriously doubt he is making them up.

[sullivan]

I a bit confused. I there King James Bible equivalent for the Talmud translated in English? Carol Valentine as a source is questionable. I just want the definitive English version Talmud preferably with how to cook Christian babies recipes.

Its impossible to get one. You won't find one in a bookshop alongside The Bible, The Koran or The Bhagavad Ghita. That fact alone speaks volumes. There was an English translation by Soncino, but that is generally only available in national libraries, if at all.

[abduLMaria]

According to Israel Shahak, The only fully version of the Talmud are in HEBREW.

it almost sounds like a person would need to learn Hebrew and then go from there.

it's a lot of work but obviously a full uncensored version - available in English with Hebrew references - would ... give the Zionists something to whine about.

[abduLMaria]

it won't let me edit my last post so ...

some info about one of the authors of the Talmud, Hillel -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillel_the_Elder

"Hillel (הלל) (born Babylon traditionally c.110BCE-10CE[1] in Jerusalem) was a famous Jewish religious leader, one of the most important figures in Jewish history. He is associated with the development of the Mishnah and the Talmud."

born in Babylon - Iraq, that is.

[AbdulHaq]

it almost sounds like a person would need to learn Hebrew and then go from there.

it's a lot of work but obviously a full uncensored version - available in English with Hebrew references - would ... give the Zionists something to whine about.

For us to be able to defeat these bastages, more of us( At least some of us) will HAVE TO learn Hebrew. They know ALL of our languages. I've started learning  myself online and bought a couple of books. I'm afraid that professor Shlomo Ben Zona might get suspicious of why an Ayrab would  want to learn Hebrew, so I won't be signing up for any classes. It might be easier for a White Christian to sign up for a Hebrew class without looking suspicious( play the Christian zionist friend of Israel role). Who knows, maybe we could have a small army of Crypto Gentiles soon :lol:
Let us out-Jew the Jew

[abduLMaria]

For us to be able to defeat these bastages, more of us( At least some of us) will HAVE TO learn Hebrew.

i'm trying to learn some programming related to 3D animation, like for particle effects.  if i try to learn Hebrew too ... i might OD.

until i do learn Hebrew, i can always rely on other students of history.  i think that is part of the study of history, choosing your teachers, finding out who you can trust.

through DBS i found this
http://radioislam.org/islam/english/english.htm#proto

"Copyright ©1999 - by Michael A. Hoffman II and Alan R. Critchley"
- would you trust these guys with your history education ?

http://radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/talmud2.htm
"THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TALMUD"

for example

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

[scorpio]

More on the Steinsaltz Talmud

According to Judaism Discovered by Michael Hoffman, page 330

As of this writing, all other editions of the Babylonian Talmud in english of which we are aware, have been censored to a degree that renders them unreliable. Publication of the Steinsaltz edition in English (21 volumes plus a reference guide), was halted after only 1/3 of the tractates of the Babylonian Talmud had been published. The reason that Random House, the publisher gave for the stopping of the Steinsaltz version, was that the books were not selling well. There has been some suggestion however, that the project was actually halted because of rabbinicc complaints that the Steinsaltz English version was giving away too much away and focusing too much light on the "problem" Talmud passages. A set of the now out of print 22 book English Steinsaltz edition command high prices on the rare book market. The Salcino talmud, in many passages, uses such words such as "idolators and heathen" to translate the Hebrew word goyim, which actually means "non-Jew' This was done to soften the Talmud in anticipation of non Judaic readership for the English version. If one examines the Steinsaltz English Talmud however, and compares it with the Soncino Talmud, on will find in most cases that the correct original Talmudic word for non-Jews has been restored and no cosmetic euphemism is employed.

Also, according to Israel Shakak in Jewish Cutlure, Jewish religion:
1) The only fully unedited versions of the Talmud are in HEBREW ONLY
2) They sell a booklet called 'Talmudic omissions' (in Hebrew only) that has the most hateful anti-goy writings.

Also, Sully makes a great point about being able to buy any other religious text very easily, anywhere in the world....
except the Talmud! :evil:  :roll:
Years ago a friend of mine wanted to get a Talmud. He called a local synagogue and respectfully asked them where he would find a Talmud.
They told him to forget it!!

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

I wonder what a computer translation of the Original Hebrew to English might turn out?

Has anyone found a Hebrew .txt version that is used by the Talmudics?

[kolnidre]

Although not a direct quote from the Talmud, this is from an introduction to the Babylonian Talmud, Tract Erubin, translated and annotated by Michael Rodkinson and printed by the Talmud Society of Boston in 1918.

A remarkable feature of the Tract is the exposition of the manner in which the shrewd sages circumvene the rigorous prohibitions contained in the Tract Sabbath and how they take advantage of every loophole afforded them through imperfections in the law, at the same time avoiding any palpable infraction of the law itself.

This is such an astute analysis of how these Pharisees set up law, but then either for expedience or difficulty of enforcement, come up with myriad other ways to use the laws to scam and/or control others.

Not much further down in the introduction, the commentator writes about the concept of communal land, which he confusingly terms "private," which apparently means belonging to Jews. He says that despite normally strict punishments for executing a written instrument (recording a transaction) on the sabbath, the sages (high-ranking clergy) permitted the written execution of an instrument in Palestine when it involved the purchase of land from a gentile for communal (Jewish) purposes.

[abduLMaria]

A remarkable feature of the Tract is the exposition of the manner in which the shrewd sages circumvene the rigorous prohibitions contained in the Tract Sabbath and how they take advantage of every loophole afforded them through imperfections in the law, at the same time avoiding any palpable infraction of the law itself.

This is such an astute analysis of how these Pharisees set up law, but then either for expedience or difficulty of enforcement, come up with myriad other ways to use the laws to scam and/or control others.

sounds like America.  that old saying about "reading the fine print".

& one of the reasons i am eliminating as many corporate contracts as possible from my life.  i found out through experience that those corporations (Meetup, Club One, Bank of America, UPS store) had & have assumed the right to either withdraw money from my bank account without my permission, or to hit up my credit card number (which i gave them trustingly) without my permission.

old saying, from the '60's - "don't trust anybody over 30, period".

new saying, from the '00's - don't trust any American corporations - PERIOD.  too much of their contract law is Talmud-derived.