When Too Much is Too Much

[Jenny Lake]

I get lost in here sometimes. Then I get discouraged because I hope to engage in Discussion --the benefit of sharing thoughts and information with the group. There is so much posting in this forum that most of it blows right by. Sometimes nobody responds and we're missing out on depth. The 'truther' movement and anti-zionist mouthpieces are full of shills --we all know that. A lot of things get posted from very questionable sources, in some cases over and over ---jeez, I wish you happy posters would slow down, maybe add some commentary as to why you post something. Give the 'forum' a chance to read, think, and respond. There's an incredible amount of stuff in these archives, worth re-introducing from time to time.

Anybody else feeling frustrated that "the group" --and that would amount to even 3 or 4 responses on a post-- isn't 'digesting' in here?

[Wimpy]

It can be overwhelming with so many well spoken and researched postings.

I usually find the time to read and reflect but I often conclude that commenting or expanding upon a topic to be an unnecessary distraction from the intended message.  Your previous post in this 'Personal Thoughts' section re: The Bible, for instance, was surprisingly informative and expertly reasoned.  I was more enchanted with following your thought process and the supportive evidence than responding with some mundane musing of mine.

Jenny, you have an outstanding grasp of subjects and the talent for expressing your thoughts.  I look forward to reading more in the future, even "When Too much is Too Much".

[abduLMaria]

I get lost in here sometimes. Then I get discouraged because I hope to engage in Discussion --the benefit of sharing thoughts and information with the group. There is so much posting in this forum that most of it blows right by. Sometimes nobody responds and we're missing out on depth. The 'truther' movement and anti-zionist mouthpieces are full of shills --we all know that. A lot of things get posted from very questionable sources, in some cases over and over ---jeez, I wish you happy posters would slow down, maybe add some commentary as to why you post something. Give the 'forum' a chance to read, think, and respond. There's an incredible amount of stuff in these archives, worth re-introducing from time to time.

Anybody else feeling frustrated that "the group" --and that would amount to even 3 or 4 responses on a post-- isn't 'digesting' in here?

yes, i know exactly what you mean.

2 standard techniques i've seen used for stifling & preventing communication -
*  poison a newsgroup by turning it toxic with personal attacks etc.
*  flood a newsgroup with long posts of information, most of it accurate, some of it inaccurate.

i think one thing that would be useful is an "ignore" feature.  that way when you see an odd posting behavior, that indicates someone perhaps is paid to post here, you can choose to have the web page not display their posts.  phpBB software, which this forum uses, is highly developed; i'm almost sure it will support an "ignore" feature.  but, it can take time to implement.

[Anonymous]

i think one thing that would be useful is an "ignore" feature.

pussy, you can ignoor me, you can avoid me, you can forget me. But you CAN'T DEFEAT ME!!!

paid to post here

listen, if a nigga gotta eat, den a nigga gotta eat.

I be all about da money

[Jenny Lake]

thanks guys....Wimpy, I know what you mean about foregoing a response as I often do it myself, especially when a post is getting attention and the thread trails somewhere other than my own sentiments.
It's the "flood" that concerns me and I have thought about it as a 'technique' --so, begging those who recognize it and are not intentionally distracting the group to please think about the effect. The most valuable time I've ever spent in forums and discussions was to take a worthy subject and plumb it thoroughly and get a good response from everyone. If we get accustomed to adding something thoughtful to a thread for others to consider, we might get some really precious insights. What's the obligation to be 'newsy' here? --none, far as I can tell.

[Wimpy]

i think one thing that would be useful is an "ignore" feature.

pussy, you can ignoor me, you can avoid me, you can forget me. But you CAN'T DEFEAT ME!!!

paid to post here

listen, if a nigga gotta eat, den a nigga gotta eat.

I be all about da money

http://www.spoc.tv/tv-sketches/niggerette-video.aspx

[Wimpy]

Jenny,

If you suspect forum sliding, as referenced below along with a link to MikeWB's post, it's got to be the toughest psyop tp prove.  The technique is the perfect passive aggressive maneuver.

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

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[Jenny Lake]

Wimpy, it doesn't  make that much difference if people don't 'shepherd' their own material. Sometimes there just won't be enough interest in the bulk of postings for them to get responses. Sometime I'll go through a couple pages and note the quality of the 'O' responses and see how it stacks against the ones that get 10 or more replies --that might be interesting-- I'm amazed at how gossipy stuff draws a crowd. If I ever get around to making a comment about Alex Jones, for example, it would only be for the purpose of having figured the game.
...I think it's the 'flooding' that bothers me and I don't think that's intentional --just an effect. I've had people send me literal books and say "hey, this might interest you" and after some pages I'd write back and say "I'm not going to read anymore --can you tell me exactly why you sent it?". The effect has been that people have cut way back on the amount of stuff, much to the better use of time. "Stuff" wastes peoples time, and I'm not going to insinuate that it's being done purposefully. Responses speak for themselves in terms of what interests this group.

[Christopher Marlowe]

I know the feeling of having an overwhelming amount of material posted on the site.  I'm probably guilty of posting extra long posts.  I try to be exact in what I am trying to say, so I spend a lot of time crafting a post. Then I look and it's really long.  I try to make the reading faster by bolding the essential sentences.

Discussion is essential, but some people are only going to respond to certain things. Sometimes I will go for weeks digesting material and never posting.  Sometimes I resist the urge to post because I have nothing to add, except perhaps "Good Post" or "Happy Birthday, faceless person". In General, I read A LOT MORE than I post.

Sometimes if there are a lot of posts on a topic, I cut and paste them into a mac "Text Edit" file, then I use the "speak function" and this computer voice can read the TIU while I do a workout. (Usually I like to work out to DBS and Ognir--Sweating to the oldies?!)  

To make matters worse, or better, WUFYS is BACK! I say that might be worse because now there will be even MORE material to skim through.

I do appreciate YOUR efforts here, Jenny Lake.

[Jenny Lake]

Thanks Christopher.
I put the time in reading too, though if I had more energy for it, I'd collate and use the archives here to flesh out the topics more. Personally, as I learn and absorb more of my own research, things get very synthetic when I use notes and cross-referencing. It's been invaluable and I don't do it enough --so maybe my 'complaint' is a displacement. Anyway, it is what it is and there's no shortage of interesting material in TIU. It fulfills the 'big picture' when I can keep up.
Been glad to see lately that the response overall seems improved. My imagination?

[Christopher Marlowe]

Been glad to see lately that the response overall seems improved. My imagination?

Hard to say. It varies so much from post to post. The hacked climate thread was a treasure trove of sites and summaries. Others are single posts.

I'm not a good judge as to what people are going to be interested in, or what they know/don't know. e.g. the "israel did it, all the proof in the world" thread. I thought that was old hat, but that went over like gangbusters. People from all over the web were citing this site. Huge. (Without getting too far off topic, I've also noticed that I might run something down, or say it fast because I am already bored with it. Later I find that my audience has never heard the info before. It's brand new to them.)  You never know.

Generally, I would say the quality of responses is pretty high on TIU.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

My thoughts exactly Jenny and Christopher... (cough..) I'm kind of guilty of posting a lot of stuff here. Sad thing is that I come across it while looking for other things in Searches and when I find something it is kind of like "wow, this might be good to share".  If I had a personal forum I could post most of the stuff there and not over post in areas with conversation.   I agree that I would just post "thanks for sharing" or "great info" or " great thoughts on that" type of replies as well. Jenny your posts real great pieces of work and I'm not at all against bringing up a "project" to share knowledge and research on.  To often, it gets pushed down the Form "stream" and sadly that water doesn't stop coming...  

Cheers and "all about the money"...
CSR

[Jenny Lake]

CSR! I have to commend you for managing your material --you're doing it, literally making 'notebooks' out of some of the threads, and you find really thoughtful stuff. I probably spend the most time here reading your posts and have learned enormously. I guess what I'm really getting at is that level of  'synthetic' understanding.
Its a really good idea to have blogs for notebooks --working on that too, having the same thought. It also protects the work, no? Lots of independent, outside reposits that we're making ourselves....