Gordon Duff Dodges Nazi-Holocaust Interview

[thirdeyewise]

keep it coming

Okay!

"Churchill's father was a Gentile. At most he was 1/4 Jewish and probably didn't even know it. His religion was Anglicanism.

So Churchill was at least 1/2 Jewish (Jewish mother makes you automatically 1/2 Jewish, not 1/4.)



Also, a Jewish mother makes you a full Jew by Jewish law.

To cement my point even further, we find that Winston Churchill is related to the Black Nobility on his father's side. The Black Nobility is the Khazar (Aryan) branch of this Jewish conspiracy. Mr. Churchill is a Jew through and through.

Check the Hand...CSR

John Churchill 1st Duke of Marlborough
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Churchill,_1st_Duke_of_Marlborough

His Royal contemporaries

James craggs the younger

James, Duke of York

Nazism was a show put on by the European Black Nobility arm of this Jewish conspiracy.
These are "White people" that converted to Judaism over a thousand years ago and are as Jewish as any hooked nose Jew alive. Judaism is an ethnicity and a "religion" but most of all it's a mindset.

Remember my post:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13377&start=15#p51756




It's that Jewish mindset and his hate for the goyim that have this man uttering these words:

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Philip (Charles' father)

While professing Christianity, the oligarchical families, for the greater part, actually despise it in secret.

His grandkids:

Check the Hand...CSR

@3:45 Eustace Mullins explains the Black Nobility
[youtube:1lz7avpy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKNt6sMa7-g[/youtube]1lz7avpy]

This is also explained in this video, specifically from: 0:46 to 2:08
[youtube:1lz7avpy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5nZJFFoqhA[/youtube]1lz7avpy]

The most powerful of the Black Nobility families are located in Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Britain, Holland and Greece in that order. Their roots may be traced back to the Venetian oligarchs, who are of Khazar extraction, and married into these royal houses in the early part of the twelfth century. (Following a great Khazar victory over the Arabs, the future Emperor, Constantine V, married a Khazar princess and their son became Emperor Leo IV, also known as "Leo the Khazar". The Medecci popes, and Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) were Khazars, as is the present Pope, John Paul II. Not all Black Nobility are royal houses, and many of the royal families no longer have kingdoms.

The House of Hanover seems to be German, but is Jewish. So is the House of Habsburg. So it wasn't really the Germans who took over the British throne

http://files.meetup.com/196633/THE%20BLACK%20NOBILITY.pdf

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Suebi
Europe in 400 AD, showing the Suebi in Swabia and their neighbors.

2000 years ago, the Suebi or Suevi were an Elbe Germanic tribe whose origin was near the Baltic Sea, which was thus known to the Romans as the Mare Suebicum (today, the term "Swabian Sea" is applied to Lake Constance). They migrated to the southwest, becoming part of the Alamannic confederacy. The Alamanni were ruled by independent kings throughout the 4th and 5th centuries. Also, a number of Suevi (20,000-50,000[1]) reached the Iberian Peninsula under king Hermeric and established an independent kingdom in 410 in what is now northern Portugal, Galicia, and western regions of Asturias and most of León (in northwest Spain). Their kingdom was known as Galliciense Regnum and endured until 585. Its political center was Braccara Augusta (present-day Braga, Portugal).

 Duchy of Swabia

Map or the Swabian Circle 1572

Swabia became a duchy under the Frankish Empire in 496, following the Battle of Tolbiac. Swabia was one of the original stem duchies of East Francia, the later Holy Roman Empire, as it developed in the 9th and 10th centuries. The Hohenstaufen dynasty (the dynasty of Frederick Barbarossa), which ruled the Holy Roman Empire in the 12th and 13th centuries, arose out of Swabia, but following the execution of Conradin, the last Hohenstaufen, on October 29, 1268, the original duchy gradually broke up into many smaller units.

Holy Roman Empire

Karl the Great's (or Charlemagne) family is known to hail from Swabia. The major dynasties that arose out of the region were the Habsburgs and the Hohenzollerns, who rose to prominence in Northern Germany. Also stemming from Swabia are the local dynasties of the Dukes of Württemberg and the Margraves of Baden. The Welf family went on to rule in Bavaria and Hanover, and are ancestral to the British royal family that has ruled since 1714. Smaller feudal dynasties eventually disappeared, however; for example, branches of the Montforts and Hohenems lived until modern times, and the Fürstenberg survive still. The region proved to be one of the most divided in the Empire, containing, in addition to these principalities, numerous free cities, ecclesiastical territories, and fiefdoms of lesser counts and knights.

The Old Swiss Confederacy was de facto independent from Swabia from 1499 as a result of the Swabian War.

Fearing the power of the greater princes, the cities and smaller secular rulers of Swabia joined to form the Swabian League in the 15th century. The League was quite successful, notably expelling the Duke of Württemberg in 1519 and putting in his place a Habsburg governor, but the league broke up a few years later over religious differences inspired by the Reformation, and the Duke of Württemberg was soon restored. The region was quite divided by the Reformation. While secular princes like the Duke of Württemberg and the Margrave of Baden-Durlach, as well as most of the Free Cities, became Protestant, the ecclesiastical territories (including the bishoprics of Augsburg, Konstanz and others) remained Catholic, as did the territories belonging to the Habsburgs, Hohenzollerns and the Margrave of Baden-Baden.

 Modern history

In the wake of the territorial reorganization of the Empire of 1803 by the Reichsdeputationshauptschluss, the shape of Swabia was entirely changed. All the ecclesiastical estates were secularized, and most of the smaller secular states, and almost all of the free cities, were mediatized, leaving only Württemberg, Baden and Hohenzollern as sovereign states. Much of Eastern Swabia became part of Bavaria, forming what is now the Swabian administrative region of Bavaria.

Swabian settlements abroad

Outside of Germany, many Swabians settled in Hungary, including part of what is now Serbia; and Romania (the Danube Swabians and Swabian Turkey) in the 18th century, where they were invited as pioneers to repopulate some areas. They also settled in Russia, Bessarabia, and Kazakhstan. They were well-respected as farmers. Outside of Europe, Swabian settlements can also be found in Brazil, Canada, and the United States. The town of Swaffham, Norfolk, means "homestead of the Swabians", some of whom must presumably have settled[citation needed] in England alongside the Angles and Saxons. Among the Germans who emigrated to the United States in the 19th century, Swabians in some areas maintained their regional identity and formed organizations for mutual support.[2]

In several languages of eastern and south-eastern Europe, the local name for "Swabian" has come to be used as a colloquial name for "Germans" in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabia

Swabians don't seem too Jewish to me...and yes that has the Royal Families and they aren't Black--CSR

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Great post as usual, cyclops.      

"Churchill's father was a Gentile. At most he was 1/4 Jewish and probably didn't even know it. His religion was Anglicanism.

So Churchill was at least 1/2 Jewish (Jewish mother makes you automatically 1/2 Jewish, not 1/4.)

I've never seen any reference or proof that Jenny Jerome's mother was Jewish. The question surrounds only her father changing his name from Jacobson to Jerome. So if only Jenny's father was ethnically Jewish than she would be 1/2 and Winston 1/4.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-chu ... other.html

Jenny Jacobson

Churchill's mother was Jenny Jerome. Her father was involved in theatre investment and changed his name from Jacobson to Jerome.

'Cunning, no doubt, came to Churchill in the Jewish genes transmitted by his mother Lady Randolph Churchill , née Jenny Jacobson/Jerome.' Moshe Kohn, Jerusalem Post

But, of course, you're not interested in these details becuz you are a proud junk researcher

Care to respond to why you said Hitler created Israel when you know it was the British? viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13462&start=90#p52927

Or why you posted a fake CGI enhanced video? viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13462&start=90#p52947

Or why you use and support the research of full-blooded Jews whom you call "respected researchers", but then accuse Nazis of being crypto-Jewish agents of Zionism based on, literally nothing, or simply for having one Jew (by birth) relative far off in the family line?

Or why you show all the signs of a junkie addicted to crack?  :eh:

I think we'll be waiting a very long time before you actually decide to answer a question instead of projecting and quote mining like typical Jews do. For someone so confident in his theory you sure have a hard time answering even simple questions. Becuz you're a complete fraud and mind blowing despicable zionist shill

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

How Hitler defied the bankers http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6720
Many people take joy in saying Wall Street and Jewish bankers "financed Hitler." There is plenty of documented evidence that Wall Street and Jewish bankers did indeed help finance Hitler at first, partly because it allowed the bankers to get rich (as I will describe below) and partly in order to control Stalin. However, when Germany broke free from the bankers, the bankers declared a world war against Germany.

When we look at all the facts, the charge that "Jews financed Hitler" becomes irrelevant. Los Angeles Attorney Ellen Brown discusses this topic in her book Web Of Debt...

When Hitler came to power, Germany was hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations on the German people, demanding that Germans repay every nation's costs of the war. These costs totaled three times the value of all the property in Germany.

Private currency speculators caused the German mark to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private (Jewish controlled) banks. Germans lived in hovels. They were starving.

Nothing like this had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping out of people's savings and businesses.  On top of this came a global depression.  Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international (mainly Jewish) bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came to power. At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money. World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany.

Hitler began a national credit program by devising a plan of public works that included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers.

The projected cost of these various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. To pay for this, the German government (not the international bankers) issued bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury Certificates. In this way the National Socialists put millions of people to work, and paid them with Treasury Certificates.

Under the National Socialists, Germany's money wasn't backed by gold (which was owned by the international bankers). It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler said, "For every mark issued, we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done, or goods produced." The government paid workers in Certificates. Workers spent those Certificates on other goods and services, thus creating more jobs for more people. In this way the German people climbed out of the crushing debt imposed on them by the international bankers.

Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved, and Germany was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, with no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries (controlled by international bankers) were still out of work.  Within five years, Germany went from the poorest nation in Europe to the richest

Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, despite the international bankers' denial of foreign credit to Germany, and despite the global boycott by Jewish-owned industries. Germany succeeded in this by exchanging equipment and commodities directly with other countries, using a barter system that cut the bankers out of the picture. Germany flourished, since barter eliminates national debt and trade deficits. (Venezuela does the same thing today when it trades oil for commodities, plus medical help, and so on. Hence the bankers are trying to squeeze Venezuela.)

Germany's economic freedom was short-lived; but it left several monuments, including the famous Autobahn, the world's first extensive superhighway.

Hjalmar Schacht, a Rothschild agent who was temporarily head of the German central bank,  summed it up thus... An American banker had commented, "Dr. Schacht, you should come to America. We've lots of money and that's real banking." Schacht replied, "You should come to Berlin. We don't have money. That's real banking."

(Schact, the Rothschild agent, actually supported the private international bankers against Germany, and was rewarded by having all charges against him dropped at the Nuremberg trials.)

This economic freedom made Hitler extremely popular with the German people.  Germany was rescued from English economic theory, which says that all currency must be borrowed against the gold owned by a private and secretive banking cartel -- such as the Federal Reserve, or the Central Bank of Europe -- rather than issued by the government for the benefit of the people.

Canadian researcher Dr. Henry Makow (who is Jewish himself) says the main reason why the bankers arranged for a world war against Germany was that Hitler sidestepped the bankers by creating his own money, thereby freeing the German people. Worse, this freedom and prosperity threatened to spread to other nations. Hitler had to be stopped!

Makow quotes from the 1938 interrogation of C. G. Rakovsky, one of the founders of Soviet Bolsevism and a Trotsky intimate. Rakovsky was tried in show trials in the USSR under Stalin. According to Rakovsky, Hitler was at first funded by the international bankers, through the bankers' agent Hjalmar Schacht. The bankers financed Hitler in order to control Stalin, who had usurped power from their agent Trotsky. Then Hitler became an even bigger threat than Stalin when Hitler started printing his own money.

(Stalin came to power in 1922, which was eleven years before Hitler came to power.)

Rakovsky said:

"Hitler took over the privilege of manufacturing money, and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones. He took over the machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the people. Can you possibly imagine what would have come if this had infected a number of other states?" (Henry Makow, "Hitler Did Not Want War," http://www.savethemales.com March 21, 2004).

Economist Henry C K Liu writes of Germany's remarkable transformation:

"The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began." (Henry C. K. Liu, "Nazism and the German Economic Miracle," Asia Times (May 24, 2005).

In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry commented:

"Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 on, which accounts for Germany's startling rise from the depression to a world power in five years. The German government financed its entire operations from 1935 to 1945 without gold, and without debt. It took the entire Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German revolution, and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers."

These facts do not appear in any textbooks today, since Jews own most publishing companies. What does appear is the disastrous runaway inflation suffered in 1923 by the Weimar Republic, which governed Germany from 1919 to 1933. Today's textbooks use this inflation to twist truth into its opposite. They cite the radical devaluation of the German mark as an example of what goes wrong when governments print their own money, rather than borrow it from private cartels.

In reality, the Weimar financial crisis began with the impossible reparations payments imposed at the Treaty of Versailles. Hjalmar Schacht – the Rothschild agent who was currency commissioner for the Republic -- opposed letting the German government print its own money...

"The Treaty of Versailles is a model of ingenious measures for the economic destruction of Germany.  Germany could not find any way of holding its head above the water, other than by the inflationary expedient of printing bank notes."

Schact echoes the textbook lie  that Weimar inflation was caused when the German government printed its own money.  However, in his 1967 book The Magic of Money, Schact let the cat out of the bag by revealing that it was the PRIVATELY-OWNED Reichsbank, not the German government, that was pumping new currency into the economy. Thus, the PRIVATE BANK caused the Weimar hyper-inflation.

Like the U.S. Federal Reserve, the Reichsbank was overseen by appointed government officials, but was operated for private gain. What drove the wartime inflation into hyperinflation was speculation by foreign investors, who sold the mark short, betting on its decreasing value. In the manipulative device known as the short sale, speculators borrow something they don't own, sell it, and then "cover" by buying it back at the lower price.

Speculation in the German mark was made possible because the PRIVATELY OWNED Reichsbank (not yet under Nazi control) made massive amounts of currency available for borrowing. This currency, like U.S. currency today, was created with accounting entries on the bank's books. Then the funny-money was lent at compound interest. When the Reichsbank could not keep up with the voracious demand for marks, other private banks were allowed to create marks out of nothing, and to lend them at interest. The result was runaway debt and inflation.

Thus, according to Schacht himself, the German government did not cause the Weimar hyperinflation. On the contrary, the government (under the National Socialists) got hyperinflation under control. The National Socialists put the Reichsbank under strict government regulation, and took prompt corrective measures to eliminate foreign speculation. One of those measures was to eliminate easy access to funny-money loans from private banks. Then Hitler got Germany back on its feet by having the public government issue Treasury Certificates.

Schacht , the Rotchschild agent, disapproved of this government fiat money, and wound up getting fired as head of the Reichsbank when he refused to issue it. Nonetheless, he acknowledged in his later memoirs that allowing the government to issue the money it needed did not produce the price inflation predicted by classical economic theory, which says that currency must be borrowed from private cartels.

What causes hyper-inflation is uncontrolled speculation. When speculation is coupled with debt (owed to private banking cartels) the result is disaster. On the other hand, when a government issues currency in carefully measured ways, it causes supply and demand to increase together, leaving prices unaffected. Hence there is no inflation, no debt, no unemployment, and no need for income taxes.

Naturally this terrifies the bankers, since it eliminates their powers. It also terrifies Jews, since their control of banking allows them to buy the media, the government, and everything else.

Therefore, to those who delight in saying "Jews financed Hitler," I ask that they please look at all the facts.

[sullivan]

But I think Duff's really trying to do "The Rivero Two-Step." He doesn't want to have someone like Yeager PIN HIM DOWN on the subject.  He wants to suggest it's a load of shit occasionally for the street cred, but he NEEDS to be able to peddle the Bush-Nazi TWADDLE.

Do you have proof that it is twaddle, or is it a product of your fetish for those nice National Socialist uniforms?  Why do you insist on painting the Bush/Hitler connection and the Holohoax as incompatible?

I had a little thread to keep track of Rivero's bullshit on the subject, but was much maligned for the effort.  It's here http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/11040.

You were much maligned because of the lack of substance to your arguments and the childish name-calling that filled the void left by the absence of such arguments.

I seemed to me that maybe Mikey didn't enjoy the attention.  I had noticed his frequent referrals to "the Nazis" over the years and should have started keeping track on the sly to build a better database.  I let a few go, but he can't lay off for very long.

What is it with you and the Nazis, Fester? You a closet National Socialist? Isn't it time you came out?  You've been called on this several times and refuse to nail your colours to the mast. Why do you appear to find one form of totalitarian rule to be acceptable while condemning another? What dog do you have in this particular fight?

[mgt23]

MSMD your love for Hitler is obvious and you seem to also think people who live in britain de facto, share a common responsibility for the setup of Israel. The fact is International Bankers with loyalty to no country set israel up(As a criminal banking state, independent of any law) , with dumb semite and non-semite alike paid to agree. Whilst you are correct that whether one has semetic blood or not is irrelevent, to whether they are judaic and also zionist; there is one golden rule-follow the money. Hitler took jew money up until he decided to print his own to free himself from his financiers. At that point he realised he was a dead man and THEN he was playing for keeps. Hitler was primarily a power oppotunist until he decided to print his own money.
Totalitarianism sucks full stop. What we need is the individual to be empowered to fight the jew, rather than relying on some group to do it for us. Whilst i respect CSR for trying to bring some balance to the topic, the connections to Warburg/Jewish New York financiers at the very least cast suspicion on the whole NAZI psy-op. Why did they fund Hitler? Because they made a grab for world power for the first time and they needed to do it covertly via WW2 and problem reaction solution.
People who think fascism is the ONLY answer to the jew are wrong, for after centuries the high comand will get infiltrated as it has been done of catholicism(marranos and p2), brit intel(cromwell, churchill and blair) or a masonic revolution in the case of the romanovs and other countries.
 The ONLY alternative in the face of KNOWING you are going to get assassinated/killed in war/starve in synthetic disaster etc, is to bow to no one and do the best you can to name and target(Even if your taken out someone in the swarm might get through). That is why this a is a movement rather than an organisation.

Why do you insist on painting the Bush/Hitler connection and the Holohoax as incompatible?

they are not, as long as you realise that skull and bones is a Talmudic Lilith Cult and not a Teutonic one. Once you understand that, its easy to see via Thule how the Nazi Party was a Talmudic esoteric command structure worshipping the void, rather than the singularity(Christ).

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Okay,

Here's where it is at:

1. Was Hitler a Jew?  - No

2. Was Hitler a Nationalist?  -Yes

3. Was Hitler a Zionist? - No, qualified. Getting the Jews out of Germany (and later Europe) made him one from some political perspectives.

4. Was Hitler-Nazis working for the Jews? - No, qualified. Later plans for moving Jews to Palestine or working with the leaders in Israel made him appear that way from some perspectives.

5. Was Hitler under the influence of Jewish-Banking Elite-Political-Pope-Stalinist-British Intel "Controllers"?  No, he did later have high-ranking traitors in the inner circle give military secrets to the Soviets.

6. Was Hitler a Politician first and foremost before all other considerations? Yes.

7. Was Hitler a secret Communist or Communist agent?  No. He subscribed to Socialism without Jewish control. His Socialism mirrored the US Populist movement (non-Marxist) and Italy's Fascist movements which were known in Europe before him. Hitler rejected Marxism but took the programs that would get him in power via the German people and non-Jewish Capitalists.

8. Was Hitler a pagan Thule-ist? Yes, qualified.  In the early days of his association with the National Socialits, he found meaning in ancient romantic Germanic traditions (Wagner, Teutonic Knights) and would use this as a means to structure a "future Germany". When 8 Thule-ists were killed by Jewish Bolsheviks in Munich, the early FreiKorps-NSDAP was formed.  Much of the early beliefs of the Nazis originated with Nationalist mystics of the 19th century like Madame Blavatsky. Clearly, Hitler wasn't a practicing Catholic which he was baptized as. He did know however the need for a Christian Europe.

9. Was Hitler fighting for "Germans". Yes, he had worked as a day-laborer and had known the plight of the German worker. He had seen Communism up close and personal and rejected it.  He also rejected Social Democracy since he saw it in Austria as a Jewish run scheme, which in most respects it was by the early 20th century.

10. Was Hitler "anti-Jew"?  Yes, qualified. He was against Jewish culture and what the "International Jew" stood for as per Henry Ford. He was not ignorant of Jewish schemes and scams in Germany. He believed Jews organized against other "people" (races) in the countries where they exist as a "state within a state". He didn't originate this, but he spoke passionately about it as part of the Nazi party's platform. He believed Jews and Freemasons promoted the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He was against Jew promoted social themes:  Homosexuality, Prostitution, Pornography, Avarice, Indebtedness, general Social Despair, Freudian Psychology to name a few. Why suffer under the "yolk" of Jews?

11. Was Hitler a Racialist? Yes, like Lothrop Stoddard or Madison Grant, Hitler saw the world in terms of "Race and Culture".  He saw the Jews as a Race and Religion, and corrupting crime gang. He recognized a racial hierarchy based on "Volk" that was based on the Eugenicist writers of the 18th and early 19th centuries.

12. Was Hitler nearly unique in modern History?  Yes.  He fought to reverse the Jewish progression of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He saw himself in the tradition of "German" Nationalists and Fighters from Roman to the Medieval eras (e.g.,  Barbarossa, Arminus, Frederick the Great, etc.)

13. Was Hitler a murderer with innocent blood on his hands? Yes. He killed many innocent people, Germans including Jews. But he had killed in WWI with many others so it was political par for the course of events. Europe was drench in innocent blood and this was due to mostly Jewish-Protocolist treachery.  He killed Erich Marie Remarque's wife by cutting her head off with an ax as per State order proscribed by Hitler's hand. This is simply murder of an innocent. He killed anyone that could be a real threat to the establishment of the "Reich", including Brownshirt leaders or spies, etc.  

14. Was Hitler a victim of propaganda attacks? Yes, in some cases.  He was a lightening rod for every type of calumny thrown at him by Jewish writers and political agents.  The Austrian, British and French intelligence agencies went deep to dig up all types of details on his character to weaken him politically.

15. Was Hitler-Nazis actively using propaganda and telling "Big Lies" before and during the war? Yes. But it is surprising the amount of facts they told to the world as well.

16. Was Hitler crazy? Probably by 1945, after getting addicted to several drugs particularly amphetamines. Before that, he was an Austrian Pan-German idealist that wanted to remake Europe for Germany, and also protect European Christian traditions. Brooding, lower-middle class that had seen events take place under Jewish influence -- he stood to reverse the course of events. That fact that he succeed to an extant briefly, has caused many to call him a "Jew" -- but this is further Jewish memes.  He, despite his flaws, was an Indo-European German with a historical view of the world and events. He took his role-models from great German Leaders and others like Napoleon in history.

17. Was Hitler not any different than Stalin? No. He was very different. Was Hitler married to a Jewess like Stalin? No.  Hitler mixed closely with the German people. Stalin never did this. Stalin was a scheming Criminal from his early days as a bank robber that would take political advantages when they appeared.
       
Like Napoleon, Hitler was a unique actor on the stage that comes along rarely in European history to upset plans of the Jews and their banking schemes.
Without Jews screwing up events in Europe via revolutions, scams and wars, Hitler would have likely became an artist, and would have continued living his life in obscurity.  

We got a Zionist problem; not a Nazi Death Cult problem, right?

Capital "Z" and "J" from this perspective. --CSR

[Wimpy]

I like it CSR, excellent summary.

[mgt23]

1.

Was Hitler a Jew? - No

Semitic? Quite possibly if you adopt the Hitler was a Rothschild angle.
Judaic? If it turns out he was a Lilith follower.
Zionist? Definately, but i will qualify that he was a reluctant one as all he cared about really was getting the jews out of Germany.

2. Was Hitler a Nationalist? -Yes

Agreed

3. Was Hitler a Zionist? - No, qualified. Getting the Jews out of Germany (and later Europe) made him one from some political perspectives.

Agreed

4. Was Hitler-Nazis working for the Jews? - No, qualified. Later plans for moving Jews to Palestine or working with the leaders in Israel made him appear that way from some perspectives.

Yes he was until he printed his own money, that signed his death warrant. After that no he wasnt and the game was for keeps.

5. Was Hitler under the influence of Jewish-Banking Elite-Political-Pope-Stalinist-British Intel "Controllers"? No, he did later have high-ranking traitors in the inner circle give military secrets to the Soviets.

He was not under the influence of jew controllers after he printed his own money. The very reason he had tritors was because the Nazis from their inception was created by jews.....in particular Rudolph Hess.

6. Was Hitler a Politician first and foremost before all other considerations? Yes.

Agreed until he printed money and then i generally think he was a genuine nationalist.

7. Was Hitler a secret Communist or Communist agent? No. He subscribed to Socialism without Jewish control. His Socialism mirrored the US Populist movement (non-Marxist) and Italy's Fascist movements which were known in Europe before him. Hitler rejected Marxism but took the programs that would get him in power via the German people and non-Jewish Capitalists.

Yes he was an agent until he found it convenient to jettison them when he got control over the money supply.

8. Was Hitler a pagan Thule-ist? Yes, qualified. In the early days of his association with the National Socialits, he found meaning in ancient romantic Germanic traditions (Wagner, Teutonic Knights) and would use this as a means to structure a "future Germany". When 8 Thule-ists were killed by Jewish Bolsheviks in Munich, the early FreiKorps-NSDAP was formed. Much of the early beliefs of the Nazis originated with Nationalist mystics of the 19th century like Madame Blavatsky. Clearly, Hitler wasn't a practicing Catholic which he was baptized as. He did know however the need for a Christian Europe.

AND HERE IS THE CRUX OF THE WHOLE WAS HITLER WORKING FOR THE JEW ISSUE..................
this is where the topic rises and falls. Blavatsky was a jew and a void worshipper who was definately brit intel. How can you possibly deny this? Without Thule there is no NSDAP full stop. This point is the key to the whole arguement. If you can convince me he wasnt Thule then i will accept his pure if outdated intentions as a nationalist.

9. Was Hitler fighting for "Germans". Yes, he had worked as a day-laborer and had known the plight of the German worker. He had seen Communism up close and personal and rejected it. He also rejected Social Democracy since he saw it in Austria as a Jewish run scheme, which in most respects it was by the early 20th century.

Agreed

10. Was Hitler "anti-Jew"? Yes, qualified. He was against Jewish culture and what the "International Jew" stood for as per Henry Ford. He was not ignorant of Jewish schemes and scams in Germany. He believed Jews organized against other "people" (races) in the countries where they exist as a "state within a state". He didn't originate this, but he spoke passionately about it as part of the Nazi party's platform. He believed Jews and Freemasons promoted the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He was against Jew promoted social themes: Homosexuality, Prostitution, Pornography, Avarice, Indebtedness, general Social Despair, Freudian Psychology to name a few. Why suffer under the "yolk" of Jews?

apart from the homo bit which was Thule yes i agree.

11. Was Hitler a Racialist? Yes, like Lothrop Stoddard or Madison Grant, Hitler saw the world in terms of "Race and Culture". He saw the Jews as a Race and Religion, and corrupting crime gang. He recognized a racial hierarchy based on "Volk" that was based on the Eugenicist writers of the 18th and early 19th centuries.

agree and is the very reson i cant stand him. we are still dealing with his conception of race to this day, instad on focusing on jewish culture.......which is the protocols.

12. Was Hitler nearly unique in modern History? Yes. He fought to reverse the Jewish progression of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He saw himself in the tradition of "German" Nationalists and Fighters from Roman to the Medieval eras (e.g., Barbarossa, Arminus, Frederick the Great, etc.)

Agreed

13. Was Hitler a murderer with innocent blood on his hands? Yes. He killed many innocent people, Germans including Jews. But he had killed in WWI with many others so it was political par for the course of events. Europe was drench in innocent blood and this was due to mostly Jewish-Protocolist treachery. He killed Erich Marie Remarque's wife by cutting her head off with an ax as per State order proscribed by Hitler's hand. This is simply murder of an innocent. He killed anyone that could be a real threat to the establishment of the "Reich", including Brownshirt leaders or spies, etc.

this is a Lillith trait...........

14. Was Hitler a victim of propaganda attacks? Yes, in some cases. He was a lightening rod for every type of calumny thrown at him by Jewish writers and political agents. The Austrian, British and French intelligence agencies went deep to dig up all types of details on his character to weaken him politically.

Agreed

15. Was Hitler-Nazis actively using propaganda and telling "Big Lies" before and during the war? Yes. But it is surprising the amount of facts they told to the world as well.

YUP

16. Was Hitler crazy? Probably by 1945, after getting addicted to several drugs particularly amphetamines. Before that, he was an Austrian Pan-German idealist that wanted to remake Europe for Germany, and also protect European Christian traditions. Brooding, lower-middle class that had seen events take place under Jewish influence -- he stood to reverse the course of events. That fact that he succeed to an extant briefly, has caused many to call him a "Jew" -- but this is further Jewish memes. He, despite his flaws, was an Indo-European German with a historical view of the world and events. He took his role-models from great German Leaders and others like Napoleon in history.

generlly speaking agreed.

17. Was Hitler not any different than Stalin? No. He was very different. Was Hitler married to a Jewess like Stalin? No. Hitler mixed closely with the German people. Stalin never did this. Stalin was a scheming Criminal from his early days as a bank robber that would take political advantages when they appeared.

they were both butchers, with different styles.


   

We got a Zionist problem; not a Nazi Death Cult problem, right?

no we have a Zionist Lilith problem and very few of you have ever encountered Lilith like i have and survived.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Remember, at the end of the day, early Hitler and the Nazis can always be blamed on the Zionist Jews and their Occultist hanger-ons in Victorian Britain. However, not in the manner described earlier in this thread via Hitler being a Jew. The basic "source" of Hitler and the Nazis is simply a historical belief in a "Will to Power" as per Nietzsche -- something that could stop the Bolsheviks onslaught and hold-off the collapse of Germany on the Western Front. Later they built an entire mystical political movement out of it.  This is a mix of Theosophy, Science Fiction, German Pagan beliefs, Wagner Romanticism, along with a touch scientific exploration of new energies like Electricity, etc. It has nothing to do with "Dark Royals" or "Death Cults" and everything to do with a few Occultist oriented Germans being, frankly desperate, to stop the F'N Jews from taking over via a bloody Communist Revolution ala Russia October 1917.

18. Note Hitler dropped most of this Thule Mysticism once he came into formal power and saw it as a political liability.:

Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 1st Baron Lytton

Bulwer-Lytton admired Benjamin's father, Isaac D'Israeli, himself a noted author. They began corresponding in the late 1820s and met for the first time in March 1830, when Isaac D'Israeli dined at Bulwer-Lytton's house (also present that evening were Charles Pelham Villiers and Alexander Cockburn. The young Villiers was to have a long parliamentary career, while Cockburn became Lord Chief Justice of England in 1859).

Bulwer-Lytton reached the height of his popularity with the publication of Godolphin (1833). This was followed by The Pilgrims of the Rhine (1834), The Last Days of Pompeii (1834), Rienzi, Last of the Roman Tribunes (1835),[5] and Harold, the Last of the Saxons (1848).[5] The Last Days of Pompeii was inspired by Karl Briullov's painting, The Last Day of Pompeii, which Bulwer-Lytton saw in Milan.

He also wrote the horror story The Haunted and the Haunters or The House and the Brain (1859).[16]

Bulwer-Lyton penned many other works, including The Coming Race or Vril: The Power of the Coming Race (1871), which drew heavily on his interest in the occult and contributed to the birth of the science fiction genre. Its story of a subterranean race waiting to reclaim the surface of the Earth is an early science fiction theme. The book popularised the Hollow Earth theory and may have inspired Nazi mysticism.  His term "vril" lent its name to Bovril meat extract.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bul ... ron_Lytton

Nazi "Aryan" Thule

Nazi mystics believed in a historical Thule/Hyperborea as the ancient origin of the Aryan race. Much of this fascination was due to rumours surrounding the Oera Linda Book "found" by Cornelis Over de Linden during the 19th Century. The Oera Linda Book was translated into German in 1933 and was favored by Heinrich Himmler. The book has since been thoroughly discredited.

The Traditionalist School expositor Rene Guenon believed in the existence of ancient Thule on "initiatic grounds alone". According to its emblem, the Thule Society was founded on August 18, 1918[17]. It had close links to the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (DAP), later the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP, the Nazi party). One of its three founding members was Lanz von Liebenfels (1874–1954). In his biography of Liebenfels (Der Mann, der Hitler die Ideen gab, Munich 1985), the Viennese psychologist and author Wilhelm Dahm wrote: "The Thule Gesellschaft name originated from mythical Thule, a Nordic equivalent of the vanished culture of Atlantis. A race of giant supermen lived in Thule, linked into the Cosmos through magical powers. They had psychic and technological energies far exceeding the technical achievements of the 20th century. This knowledge was to be put to use to save the Fatherland and create a new race of Nordic Aryan Atlanteans. A new Messiah would come forward to lead the people to this goal." In his history of the SA (Mit ruhig festem Schritt, 1998), Wilfred von Oven, Joseph Goebbels' press adjutant from 1943 to 1945, confirmed that Pytheas' Thule was the historical Thule for the Thule Gesellschaft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule

Lanz von Liebenfels

Adolf Josef Lanz aka Jörg Lanz, who called himself Lanz von Liebenfels (July 19, 1874 – April 22, 1954) was an Austrian publicist and journalist. He was a former monk and the founder of the magazine Ostara, in which he published anti-semitic and völkisch theories.


Early life

He was born on July 19, 1874 in the Penzing district of Vienna in what was then Austria-Hungary, as the son of schoolmaster Johann Lanz and his wife Katharina, née Hoffenreich. His parents were middle class, and his fathers ancestors had been burghers in Vienna since the early 18th century.

Lanz became a monk in the Cistercian order in 1893, assuming the name Georg and living in the Heiligenkreuz monastery. In 1894, he claimed to have been "enlightened" after finding the tombstone of a Knight Templar, and began developing his theories of "blue-blond aryanism" and "lower races". He left the monastery in 1899; although Lanz claimed that this was due to "growing nervousness", the official documents recorded "carnal love" as the reason, something that may have contributed to his later anti-feminism.

Work with Theozoology

In 1904, he published his book Theozoologie ("Theozoology") in which he advocated sterilization of the sick and the "lower races" as well as forced labour for "castrated chandals", and glorified the "Aryan race" as "Gottmenschen" ("god-men"). Theozoology could also be classified as a work encompassing what has now come to be called cryptozoology. Lanz justified his neognostic racial ideology by attempting to give it a Biblical foundation; according to him, Eve, whom he described as initially being divine, involved herself with a demon and gave birth to the "lower races" in the process. Furthermore, he claimed that this led to blonde women being attracted primarily to "dark men", something that only could be stopped by "racial demixing" so that the "Aryan-Christian master humans" could "once again rule the dark-skinned beastmen" and ultimately achieve "divinity". A copy of this book was sent to Swedish poet August Strindberg, from whom Lanz received an enthusiastic reply in which he was described as a "prophetic voice".

One year later, in 1905, he founded the magazine Ostara, Briefbücherei der Blonden und Mannesrechtler, of which he became the sole author and editor in 1908. Lanz himself claimed to have up to 100,000 subscribers, but it is generally agreed that this figure is grossly exaggerated. Readers of this publication included Adolf Hitler and Dietrich Eckart, among others. Lanz claimed he was once visited by the young Hitler, whom he supplied with two missing issues of the magazine.

As a student of Guido von List, Lanz further expanded his theories; other influences included Otto Weininger, of whom Lanz was a fervent follower.

Interactions with Aryan societies

In 1905 Lanz and some 50 other supporters of List signed a declaration endorsing the proposed Guido-von-List-Gesellschaft (Guido von List Society), which was officially founded in 1908. He also founded his own esoteric organisation, the Ordo Novi Templi (Order of the New Templars) in 1907. These movements were supposed to "further the racial self-confidence by doing pedigree and racial research, beauty contests and the founding of racist "future sites" in underdeveloped parts of the Earth" ("das Rassebewusstsein durch Stammbaum- und Rassekundeforschung, Schönheitswettbewerbe und die Gründung rassistischer Zukunftsstätten in unterentwickelten Teilen der Erde zu fördern"). To further this agenda, he purchased the Werfenstein castle ruins in Austria. Neither organization really managed to attract a large member base, though; it is estimated that the order had around 300 members, the most prominent of which was the poet Fritz von Herzmanovsky-Orlando. Lanz's claim that the organization was already founded prior to 1900, and that he met with August Strindberg in 1896 and managed to convince him to join the order, have been shown to be fabricated.

After Hitler's rise to prominence in the 1920s, Lanz tried to be recognized as one of his ideological precursors. In the preface of issue one in the 3. series of Ostara, c. 1927, he wrote:
"    One shall remember that the swastika- and fascist movements are basically offspring of Ostara.    "

After Austria was annexed by Nazi Germany in 1938, Lanz hoped for Hitler's patronage, but Hitler, embarrassed by this early connection, banned him from publishing his writings. Most notably copies of Ostara were removed from circulation. After the war, Lanz accused Hitler of having not only stolen but corrupted his idea, and also of being of "inferior racial stock".

There is no strong scholarly consensus as to whether Hitler was significantly influenced, directly or indirectly, by Liebenfels' work, and no strong evidence that he was interested in the occult movement as a whole apart from its racial aspects, though the association has been repeatedly made by critics and occultists during and after the Third Reich.

In his publications, Lanz mixed völkisch and anti-semitic ideas with Aryanism, racism and esotericism.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_ ... Liebenfels

Guido von List

Guido von List was strongly influenced by the Theosophical thought of Madame Blavatsky, which he blended with his own racial religious beliefs, founded upon Germanic paganism.

List called his doctrine "Armanism" (after the Armanen, supposedly the heirs of the sun-king, a body of priest-kings in the ancient Ario-Germanic nation). Armanism was concerned with the esoteric doctrines of the gnosis (distinct from the exoteric doctrine intended for the lower social classes, Wotanism).

List claimed that the tribal name Herminones mentioned in Tacitus was a Latinized version of the German Armanen, and named his religion the Armanenschaft, which he claimed to be the original religion of the Germanic tribes. His conception of that religion was a form of sun worship, with its priest-kings (similar to the Icelandic goði) as legendary rulers of ancient Germany.

List claimed that the dominance of the Roman Catholic Church in Austria-Hungary constituted a continuing occupation of the Germanic tribes by the Roman empire, albeit now in a religious form, and a continuing persecution of the ancient religion of the Germanic peoples and Celts.
Among his ideological followers was Lanz von Liebenfels. More controversially, some allege that, in his pagan-Theosophical synthesis, List developed the direct precursor of occult Nazism. His defenders counter that any influence was indirect and inconsequential; in Nazi Germany the strongest occult influence upon Heinrich Himmler, the head of the SS, was Brigadeführer Karl Maria Wiligut who believed List's Armanism to be a heresy from his own ancestral religion of Irminism and had various of List's followers interned in concentration camps.

List's concept of renouncing Christianity, a Semitic religion intertwined with Judaism, and returning to the pagan religions of the ancient Europeans did nevertheless find some supporters within the Nazi party and is favoured by some advocates of Neo-Nazism and White Nationalism in their turn. Germanic paganism has, as a result, been linked to Nazism since the early twentieth century — unfairly, in the eyes of many pagan revivalists.

List's Ariosophy was closely related to the philosophy of the Thule Society which founded the German Workers' Party (DAP), the predecessor of the Nazi party (NSDAP). List's prophecy that a "German Messiah" would save Germany after World War I was popular among Thule members. Thule member and publicist Dietrich Eckart expressed his anticipation in a poem he published in 1919, months before he met Hitler for the first time. In the poem, Eckart refers to 'the Great One', 'the Nameless One', 'Whom all can sense but no one saw'. When the Thules met Hitler in 1919, many believed him to be the prophesied redeemer. As most Thule members were socially and politically influential, their faith was crucial to Hitler's meteoric rise.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_von_List

[mgt23]

damn right he saw it as a liability because it served its purpose and was a load of bollox.
however i know for a fact the black nobility worship lilith and you have failed to comment on that CSR
its what enslaves them to the sanhedrin bankers......

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Keep in mind Lord Lytton's Rienzi that fired the dreams of a "Will to Power":

Rienzi, der Letzte der Tribunen (WWV 49) (Rienzi, the Last of the Tribunes) is an early opera by Richard Wagner in five acts, with the libretto written by the composer after Bulwer-Lytton's novel of the same name (1835). The title is commonly shortened to Rienzi. Written between July 1838 and November 1840, it was first performed at the Hofoper, Dresden on October 20, 1842, and was the composer's first success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rienzi

With its sequence of prayer and march, this music is a powerful Wagner prototype, combining the rapt introspection of a penitent with the militaristic strut of an army. It embodies an idealized historical personality -- in the opera, Cola Rienzi wrests authority from a corrupt Roman oligarchy -- whose patriotic mission inspired not only Wagner but also Hitler: the ''Rienzi'' Overture was the musical theme for Hitler's Nazi Party rallies.

In the case of ''Rienzi,'' the Hitler connection is fascinatingly complex. According to a 1953 account by August Kubizek, Hitler's first exposure to this early Wagner opera, when he was 15, shaped his future: ''My friend, his hands thrust into his coat pockets, silent and withdrawn, strode through the streets and out of the city. . . . Never before and never again have I heard Adolf Hitler speak as he did in that hour, and we stood there alone under the stars. . . . It was a state of complete ecstasy and rapture, in which he transferred the character of Rienzi . . . with visionary power to the plan of his own ambitions.''

The Rienzi with whom the young Hitler identified, who imbued him with a special mission to lead his people ''out of servitude,'' is of course a conquering hero. Even more Romantically potent is that Rienzi is a tragic victim, overthrown by a feckless mob at the opera's close. Hitler himself perished, Romantically ''betrayed,'' with the manuscript of ''Rienzi'' in his possession; some years before, he had refused to relinquish it to Bayreuth for safekeeping.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/08/arts/ ... agner.html

[mgt23]

hitler failed to liberate his people, for the people failed to understand lilith. so yes it was tragic, but if we can just crack the lilith issue humanity has a chance. If we do not we are doomed in the end and that is the ultimate tragedy. So i guess i wish any hero good luck and good hunting.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Mgt23,

I think you are focused on something very ancient and of course Jewish.

AJ and Jim Marrs are for this line of reasoning  of accusing the "elites" and "Bloodlines" which, point in fact, has had nothing to do with the Thule or Nazis.
Don't ride out on a paid "AJ fantasy" with this one as it only blurs the Jew scams currently underway.

Yeah the Jews aren't much different in their practices than their child sacrificing Talmudic-Kabbalistic Semitic-Jew ancestors of old Pagan Babylon, the Sanhedrin who are basically a legal body of Babylonian Talmudics.  However, the so-called "nobility" of Europe were once illiterate tribesmen of olde...amply described in both Greek and Roman literature. Somehow, researchers in this vein want to tag the Warrior Nobility of Europe with being full blooded evil with complex and ancient bloodlines, that mysteriously can't be directly connected to plain ole' Jew Scammers of today. Most of the whole "Black" whatever is basically 20th-19th century literary "imagination" not too different from what the Thule-ists believed. If anyone is practicing "Black Magic" and ancient Baal-Astarte-Asherah-whatever rituals in the modern era --  it could only be Talmudic-Kabbalistic Jews with a couple of duped Goyim thrown in. Most Jews bought their titles into nobility-- all via intrigue, scandal, mercenaries and debts -- hardly noble.     -- CSR

Lilith

Lilith (Hebrew: לילית‎; IPA: lilit, or lilith) is a character in Jewish mythology, found earliest in the Babylonian Talmud, which is generally thought to be related to a class of female demons Līlīṯu in Mesopotamian texts. However, Lowell K. Handy (1997) notes that "Very little information has been found relating to the Akkadian and Babylonian view of these demons. Two sources of information previously used to define Lilith are both suspect." [1] The two problematic sources are the Gilgamesh appendix and the Arshlan-Tash amulets below.[2]

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th Century Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Kohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy and horror.  

Etymology

The semitic root L-Y-L layil in Hebrew, as layl in Arabic, means "night". Talmudic and Yiddish use of Lilith follows Hebrew.

In Akkadian the terms lili and līlītu mean spirits. Some uses of līlītu are listed in The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago (CAD, 1956, L.190), in Wolfram von Soden's Akkadisches Handwörterbuch (AHw, p. 553), and Reallexikon der Assyriologie (RLA, p. 47).[5] The Sumerian she-demons lili have no etymologic relation to Sumerian lilu, "evening."[6]

Archibald Sayce (1882)[7] considered that Hebrew lilit (or lilith) Hebrew: לילית‎; and Akkadian: līlītu are from proto-Semitic. Charles Fossey (1902)[8] has this literally translating to "female night being/demon", although cuneiform inscriptions where Līlīt and Līlītu refers to disease-bearing wind spirits exist.[citation needed] Another possibility is association not with "night", but with "wind", thus identifying the Akkadian Lil-itu as a loan from the Sumerian lil, "air" — specifically from Ninlil, "lady air", goddess of the south wind (and wife of Enlil) — and itud, "moon".[citation needed]

Mesopotamian mythology

Although widely repeated in secondary and tertiary sources the possible references to Lilith in Mesopotamian mythology are now disputed.

Jews Ancient and Modern: (CSR)

The sacrifice of children in this way was widespread in antiquity and was practiced by the children of Israel under the reign of King Ahab and Queen Jezebel. A recent archeological find illustrated how far-reaching such offerings were when it unearthed the remains of over 20,000 infants that had been sacrificed to a single Baal.

For some, a better candidate than Molech for the deity represented at the Bohemian Grove is the Mesopotamian storm demon Lilith, whose giant horned statues once formed the highest competition to Yahweh. In Hebrew folklore, Lilith is "the dark wind of the storm" who takes the form of an owl (still worshipped in modern Beltane / Mayday rituals) and, among other things, overshadows the sacrifice of children. She is a powerful seductress who, before Eve's creation, was Adam's wife and lover according to myth.

Moloch, the Abomination of the Children of Ammon

Molech, whose name probably derived from Melech "king" and Bosheth, "shame", was one of the deities worshipped by the idolatrous Israelites (The Golden Calf). He was referred to as "the abomination of the children of Ammon" (1 Kings 11:7) and the primary means of worshiping him appears to be child sacrifice or "to pass through the fire." Solomon was said to have built a temple to him.

"Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon." (1 Kings 11:7)

Sacrificing children was not uncommon, but the practice died down around the time of Jeremiah when the King defiled Tophet, the place where Moloch was worshipped.

Moloch has often been identified with Milcom, the god of the Ammonites. He was probably also identified with Baal, and as a sun or fire god, as he was also identified with the Assyrian/Babylonian "Malik", and at Palmyra "Malach-bel". Moloch is also identified with Baal Hammon in Carthaginian religion.

Dictionnaire Infernal – Collin de Plancy (1863) (paraphrased)
Moloch was the god of the Ammonites, portrayed as a bronze statue with a calf's head adorned with a royal crown and seated on a throne. His arms were extended to receive the child victims sacrificed to him. Milton wrote that Moloch was a frightening and terrible demon covered with mothers' tears and children's blood.

    "He also defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter pass through the fire for Molech." (2 Kings 23:10)

Note: a heavy Jewish spin below...  

LILITH
The Original Scarlet Woman

In ancient Sumerian belief, the primal gods, the ZU, originally emerged from the Great Chaos of the ABYSS. This Chaos was characterized as an endless Great Sea located in the heavens. The primal gods themselves, the Deep Ones, were called the Ab-Zu (Ap-Su), stellar powers who were connected directly with the Great Deep. Their servitors, who carried out their will, were called the An-Zu, lunar powers who were connected with the air of the night sky. Primary among these were the Abgal, seven wise demi-gods who also emerged from the Waters of the ABYSS, and each of the seven were created male-female.

Lilith was the female aspect of one of the night wind spirits, one of a group of benevolent spirit guides called Lili (Lilitu) or Lama (Lamastu). These spirits were originally associated with guarding the gateway between the spiritual and physical realms and were found on temple doorways. Lilith, being a guide to the wisdom of immortality, is represented holding the Rings of Shem; these are the oldest symbols used to show one who has gained immortality by passing through the Underworld to gain the sacred wisdom of the Tree of Knowledge.

As a guardian and dispenser of the Temple Mysteries, Lilith was the original Scarlet Woman, and her priestesses engaged in sex magick with the priesthood and nobles to bring about spiritual transformation that led to illumination, along with the regeneration of the physical body to prolong life. These Mysteries included a type of physical alchemy involving the menstrual blood of the priestesses. While the term Scarlet Woman originally referred to menstrual blood, it became interwoven with another ancient symbol of divine power, red hair. Many ancient cultures believed that red hair denoted one whose ancestors intermarried with demons or angels, thus giving a greater than average psychic/spiritual power.

One representation of a Lamastu shows her with a lioness head, holding a serpent in each hand and riding in the Boat of the Gods that traverses the Underworld.

This directly links her to the ancient Egyptian god of magick, Heka, and his later manifestations as Hekat, the frog-headed goddess of transformation, Egyptian and Cretan serpent goddesses, and the Phoenician goddesses Astarte and Tanith.

 

The Greek Nymph

There are indications that the Greek culture is far older than most historians will admit, and was a direct inheritor of many Sumerian traditions. Stories of ancient Greek Goddesses called Nymphs appeared among the Greeks before those primal gods, the Titans, and some of the Titans married Nymphs. Nymphs, who later came to be known as female nature spirits, were originally goddesses of transformation and their priestesses. Their function was to lead men who were worthy to spiritual transformation and illumination. These goddesses and their priestesses offered man hidden knowledge (typically discovered in the Underworld) that would lead to physical regeneration and spiritual immortality. The word 'nymph' means bride or nubile young woman, and human nymphs served as priestesses in sexual ceremonies. In ancient times, these ceremonies were conducted in caves, the early temples of the Nymph goddesses. Later, they used stone temples called nympheae constructed near sacred springs, often within a sacred stand of trees. It was from this ancient sex magick that modern man derived the term 'nymphomania.' Most of theses ancient goddesses have vanished from our ken, but one who persisted into later times and was related by characteristics and function to Lilith was Hekate.


Other Permutations & Transformations of Lilith in Other Cultures

When the Sumerian priest Abraham fled the sacking of his town by the Jewish Tribe of Levi and settled among the other eleven Jewish tribes living peacefully in Canaan around 1960 BCE, he brought the Sumerian worship of Baal and Asherah into the Jewish fold. Seven hundred years later, the Tribe of Levi returned from Egypt with a belief in one god, Yahweh. They believed that Yahweh and his good angels ruled the universe, and that all other gods and goddesses or non-Jewish spirits were evil. They transformed the Sumerian Lilith, teaching that she was the wife and consort of the Angel Samael. Samael, a redhead, was the original ruling Archangel of the seventh heaven, one of the Seraphim (Fiery Serpents who guarded the Throne of God). The title 'seraphim' came from the Hebrew 'saraph nahash,' a fiery serpent, which derived from the Sumerian 'siru,' a serpent. Various Jewish traditions refer to him as a guardian angel (of Esau ), an angel of death (sent by God to fetch the soul of Moses when he died), the seducer of Eve (in form of the serpent), the creator of the demonic kingdom of Edom and the demons therein, and the chief of the Satans (angels sent by God to test man). Samael was said to be one of seven fallen angels, the others being Za'afi'el, Za'ami'el, Qasfi'el, Ragzi'el, 'Abri'el, and Meshulhi'el.

When Samael fell from grace, he was replaced by Michael as the chief Archangel. The Yahwist Jews identified Samael with Set-an (the Egyptian god Set), and they were both (as were all of the Fallen Angels) called Dragons or Leviathans (Serpents). They were cast out of the original Paradise and their company was likened to a ruined estate. Bemoaning his own fallen estate in the material world, Job said, "I am a brother to Dragons." (Job 30:29) Samael and Lilith gave the knowledge of the Angels to man and intermarried with humans, resulting in Lilith being punished by being turned into a spirit without form; her hair was "pulled back" so that her manifestation in Eternity was bound and restricted. The couple could only exchange energy with the help of the Blind Dragon Tanin'iver, called blind because it had no color. These Angels were called evil because they sought to aid man's spiritual evolution into a higher type of being.

Samael and Lilith were born as one, emanating from beneath the Throne of God with a great tumult. This refers to the Kabbalistic belief that certain angels were created in male-female pairs. Lilith was also known as Taninsam, based on the name of the intermediary between her and her husband. This intermediary will eat deadly poison at the hands of the Gabriel; it is an elixir of life for all whose inclination overcomes them. Then he participates with Michael in overcoming the rule of unbalanced forces in heaven and on earth. The covenant of salt refers to the Leviathan (Malkhut Leviat Hen) of the salt ocean, who shall feed the righteous in the future.

This story became intertwined with that of the Lesser or Younger Lilith, married to the Demon King Asmodeus. Asmodeus was the son of the mortal Naamah, the sister of Tubal-Cain, and the Angel-Demon Shamdan. The Lesser Lilith was the daughter of the Demon King Qafsefoni and Matred; her name was Mehetabel, from 'mabu tabal,' meaning 'something immersed.' She was a beautiful woman from head to waist, but burning fire down below. This Lilith was evil and constantly causing trouble between the Demons and the Angels. Asmodeus and the Lesser Lilith ruled in Edom, the sixth of the six imperfect Earths created before ours. They had twin sons, one good and one evil. The good son was named Meshihi'el and Kokhvi'el; his root is in heaven and he was called the "sword of the Messiah." The evil son was named Alefpene'ash and Gurigar; he is a war-demon ruling eighty thousand destructive demons, and he is called the "sword of King Asmodeus." Isaiah prophesized that the good son would wreak havok among the demons: "For my Sword shall be drunk in the heavens; Lo, it shall come down upon Edom." This is the Secret Knowledge of the Lesser Palaces.

The stories of the two Lilith's can be seen as an alchemical allegory of the creation and redemption of the human spirit. The two sons represent the spirit (good) and the soul/personality(evil), called evil not because it is evil but because it seeks to mingle its essence with those below (enamored of the physical world). The blind Dragon who eats poison eats the poison of the corrupted soul so as to purify it, overcoming the "evil" of the soul so that it may be transformed and "eat" of the pure food of spirit. This concept of the poison-eating Dragon is commonly found in Alchemy.

Unfortunately, outer traditions among the patriarchal Jews, including those recounted in Isaiah, Genesis and the Zohar, have greatly distorted the original stories, mixing together various traditions and giving Lilith many negative attributes that do not belong to her. The common Jewish concept of Lilith seems to have originated as an attempt to explain why there are two different stories of creation in Genesis. The older Elohist Genesis shows the simultaneous creation of the first man and woman from the same substance, in the image of the Elohim (god and goddess), while the later Yahwist version shows Adam was made first in the image of the one god. The Yahwist Jews returned from Egypt around 1260 BCE and began their campaign to "purify" the religion of the Jews; over the next 500 years, they gradually took control of the religious establishment and replaced the teachings given to the Jews by the Sumerian prince, Abraham, with their own. In some places, they kept some of the older scriptures, including the older story of creation in Genesis. However, over time the Jews had many tribulations and they forgot why there were two versions of creation in their holy scriptures. In an attempt to resolve the contradictions of the two versions, they appear to have adopted the Sumerian wind spirit Lilith as Adam's first wife. Mention of this is made in a Haggadah from the 2nd century BCE, quoted in Willis Barnstone's book, The Other Bible. Lilith refused to be under Adam during sex because they were equal, and when he objected, she left and seven angels were sent after her. She refused to return, and because God killed her children in revenge, she kills human children in their sleep. Afterward, God made Eve from Adam. The version of this story most often quoted about Lilith today comes from an anonymous 9th century manuscript called the Alphabet of Ben Sira. This was a rabbinical parody about a rabbi's responses to Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar's questions. The manuscript was popular entertainment among rabbis for hundreds of years, so the Lilith story in it became well-known. This story is essentially the same as the one in the Haggadah, except it has only three angels. A 12th century Kabbalistic work, the Book of Raziel, gives directions for making amulets to protect women and children from Lilith and refers to the three angels of the Alphabet of Ben Sira.

In the Kabbalistic Sefer Ha-Zohar of the 13th century, all of the older Jewish traditions of Lilith are mixed together. The "Treatise on the Left Emanation" says that Lilith came from heaven and sought to possess human children, but was prevented from doing so by other angels. "From the crevice of the great deep, above, there came a certain female, the spirit of all spirits, and we have already explained that her name was Lilith. And at the very beginning she existed with man." (Zohar III, 19a) She was said to be a Serpent who originated from the side of the flaming sword that guards the gates of the Garden of Eden. Lilith ruled Sitra Ahra, the other side of the mirror, the qliphotic realm of unbalanced energies behind the Tree of Life known to Kabbalists as the Realm of the Serpents or Dragons. Lilith was associated with the legend of Naamah, mother of demons, as her daughter-in law. Naamah was the succubus who stole the souls of sleeping children and then passed those souls to Lilith, and Lilith came to take on the role of Naamah. Thus Lilith became a scapegoat; an ancient wind spirit who comes in the night to bring inspiration became the disobedient first wife of Adam, an evil succubus who kills children and begets demons.

Lilith was said to come as a spirit to men who sleep alone and seduce them, causing them to have nocturnal emissions. The demons sired by Lilith according to the Jews referred to the life-forms that derive from the seed of man spilled during masturbation and nocturnal emissions. This essence contains the life-force, and deprived of its natural course, this essence takes on a form reminiscent of the imperfect creations that preceded man and resulted in the demons. These creations were considered imperfect because they could not manifest in a physical form or reproduce themselves. The results of man's seed in these conditions are similar to thoughtforms, and typically they live in the aura of the one who produces them, unless their creation is accompanied by a strong visualization that would send them to another. These creations can be experienced as a type of incubus or succubus, but more often they stay with their creator. The Jews consider these as illegitimate children, and actually have a prayer said by men that denies they are legitimate and tells them to depart when the man dies and not to impede his ascent to heaven. The assumption among the Jews that the name Lilith came from the Hebrew laylah (night), possibly because the Sumerian Lili were called night spirits, led some illustrators to represent Lilith with black hair.

Lilith, in archetypical form, represents an aspect of the Higher Self which brings spiritual knowledge to men on the Path by uniting with them in a kind of sexual union on the higher planes. It's no wonder the old uptight Rabbis feared her as a demonic succubus, afraid as they were of receiving an "unofficial" spiritual knowledge or power and of offending God by having sexual pleasure. The Jews still have a proscription against Jewish men having sex with their wives while they are menstruating. The term Scarlet Woman is today used as a reference to both the ancient physical alchemy derived from the sexual secretions of Holy Women, and to Holy Women, especially priestesses, who engage in sex magick with magicians . This knowledge is known today from the expositions of Tantric Yoga, but there are many indications that this knowledge was known to and used by the priests and nobles of ancient Sumeria and Egypt, among others. Lilith, the Scarlet Woman, represents today as she did millennia ago the potent combination of spiritual and sexual power by which humans are transformed into something greater. Lilith serves as a prototype of Crowley's Scarlet Woman, a companion who through her divine sexuality awakens the spiritual knowledge latent in man.

http://www.nightwing.awebspider.com/lilith.htm (not the best source --CSR)

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    The Curse of Canaan was extended to the land which was named after him, the Land of Canaan. The Canaanites themselves, the people of this land, became the greatest curse upon humanity, and so they remain today. Not only did they originate the practices of demon-worship, occult rites, child sacrifice, and cannibalism, but as they went abroad, they brought these obscene practices into every land which they entered. Not only did they bring their demonic cult of Egypt, but, known by their later name, the Phoenicians, as they were called after 1200 B.C., they became the demonizers of civilization through successive epochs, being known in medieval history as the Venetians, who destroyed the great Byzantine Christian civilization, and later as "the black nobility," which infiltrated the nations of Europe and gradually assumed power through trickery, revolution, and financial legerdemain.
    — Eustace Mullins; The Curse of Canaan

    Ham's son Canaan saw his grandfather exposed, although at one point he is referred to as "Noah's youngest son," instead of the correct designation as his grandson.
    — Eustace Mullins; The Curse of Canaan

    The area that we call today, Israel, was in very ancient times called Cana. The people there called Canaanites, and they celebrated the great marriage feast, so to speak, between God, the Father, and Mother Earth, and all of the light that the two of them produced for us. This very ancient celebration was in the Spring, and was called The Marriage Feast of Cana. This was where God's Son was symbolically asked by Mother Earth to draw water to make it rain, so that the grapes could grow and we could have a wine feast, which was called The Marriage Feast of Cana. That's where that comes from.
    — Jordan Maxwell; Matrix of Power

    The northern and more settled Canaanites (the Baalites) freely bought, sold, and mortgaged their lands. The word Baal means owner. The Baal cult was founded on two major doctrines: First, the validation of property exchange, contracts, and covenants—the right to buy and sell land. Second, Baal was supposed to send rain—he was a god of fertility of the soil. Good crops depended on the favor of Baal. The cult was largely concerned with land, its ownership and fertility.
    — Melchizedek of Nebadon; The Urantia Book

http://www.truthcontrol.com/node/canaan

[mgt23]

i tip my hat to you CSR (yet again) for your knowledge of Lilith (few know)

AJ and Jim Marrs are for this line of reasoning of accusing the "elites" and "Bloodlines" which, point in fact, has had nothing to do with the Thule or Nazis.
Don't ride out on a paid "AJ fantasy" with this one as it only blurs the Jew scams currently underway.

bullshit.......i'm not saying lilith is in charge, just in cahoots with the zio bankers as essentially the military enforcement arm of freemasonry(apparently quite a small group within the craft i hear, the rest being enochian). and fuck aj and marrs they're idiots. there is a breeding program but different castes are bred for different reasons (jews=maths royalty=ego etc etc) it has everything to do with thule.........
Rudolf Freiherr von Sebottendorff (jewpedia)

Goodrick-Clarke 1985: 138 and see Howard 1989: 124 ("In 1901 von Sebottendorff was initiated into a Masonic lodge which, like many in the Middle East, had connections with the French Grand Orient"). Furthermore: "the masonic lodge, which Glauer had joined at Bursa in 1901, may have been a local cadre of the pre-revolutionary Secret Society of Union and Progress, founded on the model of Freemasonry by Salonican Turks to generate liberal consciousness during the repressive reign of the Sultan." (Goodrick-Clarke, op. cit., 139).

greek jewish freemasons..........hmmmmm and this is where
Walter Neuhaus got his connections both political and financial. it is also the reason they didnt kill hess straight away and indeed respected him(also the reason hitler had so many traitors in his midst and very possibly how he got his new york/warburg money).....and somewhere in this mess frank foley figures.

The Curse of Canaan was extended to the land which was named after him, the Land of Canaan. The Canaanites themselves, the people of this land, became the greatest curse upon humanity, and so they remain today. Not only did they originate the practices of demon-worship, occult rites, child sacrifice, and cannibalism, but as they went abroad, they brought these obscene practices into every land which they entered. Not only did they bring their demonic cult of Egypt, but, known by their later name, the Phoenicians, as they were called after 1200 B.C., they became the demonizers of civilization through successive epochs, being known in medieval history as the Venetians, who destroyed the great Byzantine Christian civilization, and later as "the black nobility," which infiltrated the nations of Europe and gradually assumed power through trickery, revolution, and financial legerdemain.
— Eustace Mullins; The Curse of Canaan

i agree with eustace as well so im not quite sure on what we are disagreing Crack in this respect.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

MSMD your love for Hitler is obvious

no different then your love for Trotsky

and you seem to also think people who live in britain de facto, share a common responsibility for the setup of Israel.

I don't think so. What I said to you was Jew-wise Brits have a tendency to shift the blame for Israel's creation (namely on Hitler) becuz of the obvious involvement of their own government in that matter. The British goverment has for a long time been a tool of the Rothschild family. I don't blame the average Brit for that.

The fact is International Bankers with loyalty to no country set israel up(As a criminal banking state, independent of any law) , with dumb semite and non-semite alike paid to agree.

I would agree with that. As I have shown in this thread, Hitler never intended to set up a Jewish state in Palestine (indeed spoke ill of such a manifestation) and did very little to contribute to that cause save for sending some Jews there in the early 30's who promptly returned to Europe before WW2 even began. The Nazi Party's aim was to move European Jewry to the island of madagascar, until the British and French impeded that ambition. Then they switched to resettlement in the east, back to Khazar land and the occupied Soviet territories. Pinning Israel and Zionism on the back of Hitler is slander and not based in truth. Anyone promoting that idea has a slanderous anti-Hitler agenda.

Hitler took jew money up until he decided to print his own to free himself from his financiers.

He also took Gentile money which anti-Hitler agendists fail to mention. He took no more Jewish money then Gentile money. Why is that always left out of the conversation? It really matters not who gave him money, it's what he did once he got into power. And he did what Lincoln did, he broke the grip of the international bankers (jews) by printing his own currency backed by German labor (not Jew-controlled precious metals). This is why he had to be destroyed. That move pretty much confirms to me he wasn't controlled.

Whilst i respect CSR for trying to bring some balance to the topic, the connections to Warburg/Jewish New York financiers at the very least cast suspicion on the whole NAZI psy-op.

Max Warburg was squeezed out of Germany by Hitler in 1938. His banking operations were handed over to a non-Jew named Brinkmann and he emigrated to the US where he died a short time later.

Hitler was a falliable human being, he wasn't perfect, nobody is. He's the most LIED about man on earth and the most DEMONIZED man to ever live. He is portrayed by popular (jewish) media as Satan's advocate on earth. Why do you think that is? Becuz Hitler's ideas were DANGEROUS and ACCURATE.

Why supposedly Jew-wise people would slander and attack the one man who fought hardest against Jewish control makes no sense whatever.

[mgt23]

He also took Gentile money which anti-Hitler agendists fail to mention. He took no more Jewish money then Gentile money. Why is that always left out of the conversation? It really matters not who gave him money, it's what he did once he got into power. And he did what Lincoln did, he broke the grip of the international bankers (jews) by printing his own currency backed by German labor (not Jew-controlled precious metals). This is why he had to be destroyed. That move pretty much confirms to me he wasn't controlled.

finally we approach some sort of common ground. im saying that he was influenced/controlled in policy up until he took control of the money supply.
i agree with you his ideas were dangerous and accurate.....with one exception RACE. For this he derserves to be destroyed(and attacked only on this issue as i mentioned above some of his policies were excellent regarding the money supply and autarky) as it gave zionist jews legitimacy. A legacy we are still dealing with today. If he had left race out of it and concentrated on judaism and zionism he may well have won.

[mchawe]

It's that Jewish mindset and his hate for the goyim that have this man uttering these words:

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    "If I were reincarnated, .I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." - Prince Philip (Charles' father)

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I think I know where he was coming from when he said those words.
Those words do not prove anything about Prince Philip, except his love of nature and the wild places that are lost but would quickly return with reduced population.
Kenya is a place I have known all my life and have seen the changes. The traditional African had 10 children, but 8 or so died and the population remained stable. Along comes the British at the end of the 19th Century and introduces Western medicine. Whatever is said about Western medicine, it actually works on the whole. So the traditional African goes on having 10 children, but now at least 9 survive.
This leads to a fantastic population growth. Even now nothing has changed and babies are still being produced at an alarming rate. The population at the turn of the 20th century was about 1.5 million. In the 1950s it had grown to about 5.5 million. Still ok for man and beast to co-exist. There were still large areas of uninhabited land where there was only wild animals. Due to tse-tse fly man could not survive in those areas. However, man then eradicated tse-tse fly and then proceeded to encroach upon the areas where the wild life roamed.
Today the last population census showed a population of about 40 million, but for a number of reasons I this could be a gross underestimation and it could be more like 60 million. Unemployment is around 70% and every African wants his piece of land What do you imagine happens when he has 10 kids to inherit that piece of land ? Multiply that by several generations and you have a serious problem of an army of landless unemployed. What you now have is killing, cutting taking...until nothing is left.
If a killer virus wiped out 90% of the population it would only revert to what it was in the 1950s. Even then people were saying this country was doomed because there were babies everywhere.
Where I live on the Indian Ocean about 3.5 degrees South of the Equator, only 20 years ago you could don a pair of goggles and slip over the side of a boat on to the reef and see 100s of fish everywhere. Today.....Nothing !
In the 1950s I remember the main road between Nairobi and Mombasa. There was game as far as the eye could see...wildebeeste, zebra, giraffe, kudu, oryx, eland, impala, Thompson's gazelle, rhino to name just a very few. Now that same land is covered with small holdings with corrugated iron roofed huts. The only describable word... Ugly. Now species then common such as colybus monkey, cheetah, leapard, rhino, kudu and many others, too many to mention, are between endangered and extinct.
When King George VI died in 1952, Elizabeth and the Duke were staying at "Treetops" overlooking Mt. Kenya.
They know only too well what has happened over the years. They have seen it, same as I have.
Just like the word "Holocaust" is a taboo word that nobody must mention, so is the word "Population" in the context of too many people.
The sentiment expressed by Prince Philip has nothing to do with zionism.  On a strictly scientific biological level, taking all emotion out of the equation, man (in this part of the world anyway) is at plague proportions. One of your Red Indians (forget who) said something about if you kill all your wild life, "man dies of a great loneliness of spirit."

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

i agree with you his ideas were dangerous and accurate.....with one exception RACE.

Again the mainstream concept that the nazis were racist white supremacists is highly distorted to fit Jewish Bolshevist propaganda. Of course, official propaganda would have you believe Hitler and the Nazi Party were racist, genocidal madmen hell-bent on dominating the world. (which is actually a perfectly candid description of the J-tribe Hitler opposed)

Hitler opposed race-mixing because he believed it was essentially genocide, destroying thousands of years of genetic lineage, heritage and culture. But Blacks were treated much better in Nazi Germany than in America at the time.

[youtube:2u8yg9rr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypslbskP0s8[/youtube]2u8yg9rr]

There were Blacks and Mullatos serving in Hitler's military establishment. See Veronica Clark's work on this subject http://www.amazon.com/Veronica-Clark/e/B00310I4S6 http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/colu ... -clark.php http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/arch ... forces.php

Countless non-Germans and foreigners, including thousands of Jews and Africans, fought for the Nazis in World War II. While many were coerced into doing so, the majority volunteered to fight. So, how and why did so many non-German ethnic minorities and foreigners fight for the Nazis in World War II? This study answers these questions, among others, by re-examining the Third Reich from an entirely new perspective. The significance of this study is three-pronged. First and most importantly, Axis history has for too long focused on the Germans and their importance to the Axis' efforts. This analysis has explored the bigger picture; that is, the role that non-Germans played. Until now, these "other" players have received short shrift. Secondly, this study explores what non-Whites thought about the Third Reich and their service in the German Armed Forces. Their thoughts and insights regarding the Third Reich and its war effort remain unexplored. The German military, like all Western military forces at that time, served as a "vehicle of change." Latly, Adolf Hitler's racial ambivalence has never been seriously addressed by any historian. Ms. Clark has carefully pieced together Hitler's true racial outlook. You will be shocked by what she has found! Indeed, these generally ignored aspects of World War II, which are so important to understanding the complexities and dynamics of race relations in Nazi Germany, have finally been explored in-depth by historian Veronica Clark. You will come away from her book with a fresh new view of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler, and the German war effort. This is the "new" new history of the Third Reich.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031Q ... G24C8809WJ

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00433 ... VMWJ7K4BSG

[mgt23]

you miss the point entirely. I've seen material like this on JAM's site and acknowledge it. The point i was making is that i am completely against eugenics, primarily because Homo Sapiens have a genetic bottleneck(inbred) and in order to further the chances of survival we must interbreed and widen that gene pool. What Hitler suggested and i really do hope MSMD that you dont agree with, is the equvilent of enforced state inbreeding as one way to social stability.

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First, we can't possible ask that all people helping against the ZioN global regime to be informed/talk about The Holocaust or the Protocols ?  

Don't you know that almost all People are indoctrinated to reject at once anyone speaking about those topics ?

If you think that talking about it to the masses is  the right approach to wake up them then you are/could be a Moron.



So, don't ask/demand on all people in the struggle against the ZioN Elite to talk about it, period. Ok ? Ok.


Them, the whole NaZi thing is a Kabbalah trap, don't fall for it as a way of waking up the masses (note, I don't mean to say don't look at it, at the contrary), you see, we have thousands  & thousands of other argument and facts to deliver and disclosure.




So, we must get smarter, think strategically and never surrender!

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Now the Nazi thing, Listen to Eustace Mullins, research it by youself and don't listen that much to those who want to sale it to you as the only White Way of expressing support for your European culture and heritage.

Case  Study : Emil Maurice

What about this ZioN/NaZi  personality : Emil Maurice, the actual founder of the NaZi organization ?


Emil Maurice (19 January 1897, Westermoor – 6 February 1972, Munich ) was an early member of the Nazi Party

his status as SS Member #2 effectively credited him as the actual founder of the organization.

. . . he was a close associate of Adolf Hitler with a personal friendship dating back to at least 1919.

In 1923, Maurice also became the SA commander of the newly established Stabswache, a special SA company given the task of guarding Hitler at Nazi parties and rallies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice

Hitler's first companion SS member number 2 was Jewish -zionist

[youtube:p2gdgqwi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Gv32YfXDE[/youtube]p2gdgqwi]

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[GordZilla]

Great debate going on here, good work to all. But as I'm reading thru it I came across MGT's comment here;

i tip my hat to you CSR (yet again) for your knowledge of Lilith (few know)

Really? 'Few know'??

I'm sorry but I think you are on the wrong forum if you think few of us know about Lilith. The idea that this is somehow esoteric knowledge amongst people like ourselves is utterly laughable. As CSR has shown it only takes a short search for anyone not aware of her  to find out, however I'd wager dollars to doughnuts that most here were/are already very aware of who Lilith was. The comment smacks of a sort of arrogance that is simply not needed in our forum, in my opinion. We are 'Jew wise', do you really  think we don't know who Lilith was? Either you give yourself too much credit or us not enough, but either way please grab hold of yourself. None of us are incapable of knowing what you may already know, and none of us are 'bellow' you in any way. We are equals, treat us as such please. If you meant 'few know' outside this forum, than perhaps you are right and I do apologise, but inside this forum this comment really gets under my skin, it reads as being very pompous. 'Truth' does not need to be academic, or esoteric or anything of the sort, to the contrary I find truth to be rather simple, it is lies that have to hide themselves in complexity and convolution.   I'm sorry for this side bar comment, but that comment behoved me to say something, I mean no offense to you  personally MGT  -especially if you were directing that to those outside this forum, but please talk as equals, respect all, we all come from different backgrounds but we all arrived here at the same place, all intending to learn more off one and another, talk like that stifles that process - IMHO.

Now with that said, carry on.

[mgt23]

oh really...then why is there a total absence of lilith exploration on this forum. Please refrain from saying im arrogant as i was making an observation not a judgement so get off your high horse.

[SPECTEC]

hmm...if blacks were Jews...and everyone can somewhat agree on that...then why couldn't Jews be Nazis too?...just curious.

[GordZilla]

Steve,

I didn't say you are arrogant, I said the comment sounded that way. The lack of discussion about Lilith, I think is merely a result of unwillingness to explore the Talmud and Kabala much further beyond discovering the poison they contain. I, for one, have no interest in knowing, all aspects of their poison. For example; I know that, according to them, Jesus is boiling in a pot of human excrement in Hell, do I need to know more beyond that? I don't study their garbage beyond recognition of it being just that; garbage.If you want to study Lilith more by all means please do. I was just pointing out that I think most of us have heard their stories on this particular topic, we are not unaware of who Lilith is, I think the lack of a thread on the topic is by no way proof that we are , collectively, unaware about her.  If that comment sounded 'high horsed' to you, then I apologize, if anything it was to convey the opposite reaction to a comment that originally sounded high horsed to me.  And again Steve, it was not an attack on you but rather your assumption that we would, the majority here, not know who she was, and her importance to the Jew. An importance that I do not believe Hilter put stock in. If anything, from what I read from his words, he allied himself much more strongly to Christian ideology which of course is incompatible with Kabalistic and Talmudic ideology, they are completely at odds with one another.

[mgt23]

cool np gord. yes i can see your pov but everywhere i look in the underground esoteric scene of the senior establishment shes there and if thule was by greek jewish talmudists then she would be an auto feature. i just think its important to be aware of her for reasons i cant say publically and to know that people will get targeted by that group. It took me over six months to fight them to a draw.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Case  Study : Emil Maurice

What about this ZioN/NaZi  personality : Emil Maurice, the actual founder of the NaZi organization ?

Emil Maurice (19 January 1897, Westermoor – 6 February 1972, Munich ) was an early member of the Nazi Party

his status as SS Member #2 effectively credited him as the actual founder of the organization.

. . . he was a close associate of Adolf Hitler with a personal friendship dating back to at least 1919.

In 1923, Maurice also became the SA commander of the newly established Stabswache, a special SA company given the task of guarding Hitler at Nazi parties and rallies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice

Hitler's first companion SS member number 2 was Jewish -zionist

[youtube:1no2blyp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Gv32YfXDE[/youtube]1no2blyp]

Dude, this has already been covered, and debunked. The man wasn't "Jewish" and wasn't "a Zionist". So you're quoting his wikipedia page here but suddenly stop before it unveils that his only "Jewish" heritage was one great-grandfather on one side of his family who, in all likelyhood, converted to Christianity.

After Himmler had become Reichsführer-SS, Maurice fell afoul of Himmler's racial purity rules for SS officers, when he had to submit details of his family history before he was allowed to marry. All SS officers had to prove racial purity back to 1750, and it turned out that Maurice had Jewish ancestry – Charles Maurice Schwartzenberger (1805–1896), the founder of Thalia Theater in Hamburg, was his great-grandfather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Maurice

Does 1/8th semitic blood qualifiy someone as "jew" and "zionist"?  :wtf: Does 1/8th African blood make somebody "black" and "black panther", or 1/8th Cherokee blood make someone an "Amerindian"? Only in "nazis were jews" fairyland. The hilarious part is, this thing with maurice is one of the main points they always bring up, and they have to resort to utter distortion and embellishment to even use it as evidence.  :lol: Which pretty much tells the tale of this entire theory -- it's an absolute fabrication built upon half-truths, distortions, exaggerations, embellishments, conjecture, and downright lies.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

As of right now I have Thirdeyesleeze pegged as a Black Muslim (a jew is not out of the question but black muslim is more likely). I'd bet money on it. He's careful not to reveal any information about himself becuz he's afraid it will give him away as a guy with an axe-to-grind with Whites, thus discredit himself as a petty propagandist and pied piper with a chip on his shoulder. Cyclops is just jealous that the most organized resistance to the Jew came from White European Christians. This man (or possibly transgendered shemale?) is clearly an anti-White bigot. A give away is that he uses the word "Aryan" mockingly. This guy is probably some Nation of Islam / black-panther kook. Non-Whites, even Jew-wise one's, never have anything positive to say about Hitler becuz they buy into the "racist white supremacist Nazis" myth, so they usually go for the whole crypto-Zionist Nazis shabang and could care less if it's a bunch of bullshit becuz it fits their worldview.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Frankly, Kabbalistic Kol-Nidre Jews taught me everything I ever wanted to know about "Race" in the popular media and I found much of what they pushed to be utter B.S. and lies.  Jews created the word Racist and Racism along with all the "programs" to "fix the problems" of their "racism". They popularized it in their Marxist diatribes against "imperialism" and Western traditions --  ad naseum.
Today, I reject "Racism" as Communist Salinsky style Jewish Babble that for some reason gets parroted way too much with high moral tones.

It is a noted Jewish tactic, Mgt23.  And I'm not naive.

And here in America... it is like "whatever" for me whenever I see it these days.  A few years back I was considerate of helping "others". But, if you ever had to fight off people of another race to save your life, you get to a point where it is literally "Whatever". Ever have someone of another race threaten to kill you?  :wave:  You think they wave and hold a rainbow?   That's like Hitler seeing his buddies die on the front from JewTarded manipulation and then seeing JewTards trying to create a Soviet. It's Jewish.  So what do you do?   You take a stand against it.  America would be a great place without the Jews and their corrupted dupes here. Really. Jews polluting the culture,  opening the doors to Third-Worlders, and integrating the schools here in the USA has frankly ruined it.   Jews love multi-culturalism just as they yearn wistfully for a multi-cult Vienna of the 1920s. Frankly, it is simply a cover for their SCAMS. And the Jews have been Scamming full-on for over 130 years in the USA.  This is actually the pinnacle of their Scams.

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Here's more on those Neanderthals: maybe the race is still alive... in Israel?  :lol:

Ancient humans, dubbed 'Denisovans', interbred with us
Pallab Ghosh By Pallab Ghosh Science correspondent, BBC News

Professor Chris Stringer: "It's nothing short of sensational - we didn't know how ancient people in China related to these other humans"


    * DNA identifies new ancient human

Scientists say an entirely separate type of human identified from bones in Siberia co-existed and interbred with our own species.

The ancient humans have been dubbed Denisovans after the caves in Siberia where their remains were found.

There is also evidence that this group was widespread in Eurasia.

A study in Nature journal shows that Denisovans co-existed with Neanderthals and interbred with our species - perhaps around 50,000 years ago.

An international group of researchers sequenced a complete genome from one of the ancient hominins (human-like creatures), based on nuclear DNA extracted from a finger bone.

'Sensational' find

According to the researchers, this provides confirmation there were at least four distinct types of human in existence when anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) first left their African homeland.
Denisovan tooth DNA from a tooth (pictured) and a finger bone show the Denisovans were a distinct group

Along with modern humans, scientists knew about the Neanderthals and a dwarf human species found on the Indonesian island of Flores nicknamed The Hobbit. To this list, experts must now add the Denisovans.

The implications of the finding have been described by Professor Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London as "nothing short of sensational".

Scientists were able to analyse DNA from a tooth and from a finger bone excavated in the Denisova cave in southern Siberia. The individuals belonged to a genetically distinct group of humans that were distantly related to Neanderthals but even more distantly related to us.

The finding adds weight to the theory that a different kind of human could have existed in Eurasia at the same time as our species.
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Researchers have had enigmatic fossil evidence to support this view but now they have some firm evidence from the genetic study carried out by Professor Svante Paabo of the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany.

"A species of early human living in Europe evolved," according to Professor Paabo.

"There was a western form that was the Neanderthal and an eastern form, the Denisovans."

The study shows that Denisovans interbred with the ancestors of the present day people of the Melanesian region north and north-east of Australia. Melanesian DNA comprises between 4% and 6% Denisovan DNA.

David Reich from the Harvard Medical School, who worked with Svante Paabo on the study, says that the fact that Denisovan genes ended up so far south suggests they were widespread across Eurasia: "These populations must have been spread across thousands and thousands of miles," he told BBC News.

One mystery is why the Denisovan genes are unique in modern Melanesians and are not found in other Eurasian groups that have so far been sampled.

'Fleeting encounter'

Professor Stringer believes it is because there may have been only a fleeting encounter as modern humans migrated through South-East Asia and then on to Melanesia.
Denisova cave The remains were excavated at a cave site in southern Siberia

"It could be just 50 Denisovans interbreeding with a thousand modern humans. That would be enough to produce this 5% of those archaic genes being transferred," he said.

"So the impact is there but the number of interbreeding events might have been quite small and quite rare."

No one knows when or how these humans disappeared but, according to Professor Paabo, it is very likely something to do with modern people because all the "archaic" humans, like Denisovans and Neanderthals disappeared sometime after Homo sapiens sapiens appeared on the scene.

"It is fascinating to see direct evidence that these archaic species did exist (alongside us) and it's only for the last few tens of thousands of years that is unique in our history that we are alone on this planet and we have no close relatives with us anymore," he said.

The study follows a paper published earlier this year by Professor Paabo and colleagues that showed there was interbreeding between modern humans and Neanderthals as they emerged from Africa 60,000 years ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12059564

You know this thread started out as a critique of Gordon Duff and his Nazi/Bush theories getting shot down... for some reason at the end of this thread I feel like I'm arguing against Jews or (maybe those pushing a Jewish Agenda). -- CSR

[mgt23]

have to agree to disagree. content of character should dictate ones relationship to the politik, not ones genetic makeup. the day some fascist tells me who i can or cant sleep with or starts telling my offspring who they can and cant fall in love with.....will be the day hell freezes over.

anyway on topic duff is suspect, he seemed quite rude but maybe we should get his side of the story.