Hitler the Zionist Jew and Enemy of Europe?

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CrackSmokeRepublican

#60
July 05, 2012, 02:22:41 AM
Smoke'em in the Lizard Tepee (with Wagner blaring)  if you got'em Tim:   :)

http://books.google.com/books?id=bm1lr4aXnesC&pg=PA185
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

pas

#61
July 05, 2012, 08:02:14 AM
I wrote:

QuoteDo mean at 02:07?I don't see the Masonic square and compass, I see only a swastika and a ''v'' shape underneath it.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Timothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

QuoteWhat, no defence of Wagner?

Please just answer the question.And concerning Wagner, I know little about him.All I know that I like some of his music (Liebestot a.o.) and that he's accused of being antisemitic which I don't have a big quarrel with.I heard on the radio a while back that a Wagner concert in Israel was cancelled because of prostest from ''holocaust survivors''.


QuoteTell me, Pas, what brotherhood of initiates is Hitler talking about?

I've no idea but where does that quote originate from.Contextual it might be easier to pass judgement.And do note who is attributing this quote to Hitler (jew Telegraph).
Funny they don't mention Persifal was banned from 1939.

QuoteAt the start of World War II, the Nazis prohibited all performances of Parsifal throughout Germany. Bayreuth also had to comply with this order that had originated from the Ministry of Propaganda. Following the controversy over replacing the original sets, and the disappointment over the 1937 production, the ban on Parsifal proved puzzling. At first, this decision was hard to fathom, and no official reason was given for banishing the work from Germany's stages. Before the war, Parsifal, like no other of Richard Wagner's work, had fueled Hitler's imagination, and had provided the Nazis with the kind of mythic Germanic Christian idealogical background that was easy for the people to understand. However, as the dead and wounded were being shipped back from the front, presenting an opera where one of the main characters lay suffering from a mortal wound was obviously not very good P.R. for the war cause.

Wagner authority Robert R. Gibson has offered further possible reasons why the Nazis banned Parsifal. He argues that the opera's main character learns pacifism throughout his long journeys, and ultimately becomes a compassionate human being. These traits were considered feminine attributes, and not worthy of the idealized Nazi conception of the Aryan male. The author also mentions that the ban occurred at the time when the Nazis were trying to suppress homosexuality. Propaganda Minister Josef Goebbels denounced priestly and monastic celibate life in a speech in 1937. Parsifal, with its representation of a community of quasi-religious brothers who embrace (The SS were forbidden to touch one another) must have been anathema to the Third Reich.
Source:http://www.wagneroperas.com/indexwagnerbayreuthreich.html
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CrackSmokeRepublican

#62
July 05, 2012, 08:36:23 PM
I think  A. Kubizek has the last word on Hitler and Wagner:

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QuoteChapter 17 - Nights at the Opera.

The high spots of our friendship were our visits together to the H of Opera, and memories of my friend are inseparably connected with these wonderful experiences. The theatre in Linz saw the beginning of our youthful friendship, and this was reaffirmed whenever we visited the foremost Opera House in Europe. As we grew older, the contrasts between us made themselves increasingly noticeable and the difference in our family backgrounds, our professional aspirations and our attitude to public and political life separated us more and more. Yet our fervent enthusiasm for everything that was beautiful and noble, which found its highest artistic expression in the performances of the Vienna Opera, linked us ever more closely. In Linz our relationship had been smooth and harmonious. But in Vienna the conflicts and tensions grew, largely owing to our living together in a single room. It was fortunate that at the same time the influence of our common artistic experience fortified our friendship.

True to tradition, we humble poverty-stricken students had to fight hard for the chance of seeing those performances. It is true that in theory there existed cheap tickets for the Promenade which, in Vienna, as in Linz, used to be our aim; but we never got one, not even through the Conservatory. So we had to pay the full price — two crowns — a lot of money, when one thinks that Adolf, after having paid his rent, was left with fifteen crowns for the whole month. And although we paid full price, we had to fight hard to get these tickets, the sale of which started only one hour before the performance began.

Having finally secured the ticket, there started a rush towards the Promenade, which fortunately was not far from the box office. It was below the Imperial box and one could hear excellently. Women were not admitted to the Promenade, which pleased Adolf hugely, but on the other hand it had the disadvantage of being split up into two halves by a bronze railing, one for civilians, one for the military. These young lieutenants who, according to my friend, came to the Opera less for the sake of the music than for social reasons, paid only ten hellers for their tickets, while we poor students were fleeced twenty times that amount. This always made Adolf very wild. Looking at these elegant lieutenants who, ceaselessly yawning, could hardly wait for the interval to display themselves in the foyer as though they had just come out of their box, he said that among the visitors to the Promenade, artistic understanding varied in inverse proportion to the price of the tickets. Moreover the military half of the Promenade was never full, while in the civilian half students, young employees and artisans trod on each others' toes.

One disadvantage was that the Promenade was usually the haunt of the claque, and this often spoilt our pleasure. The usual procedure was very simple: a singer who wanted to be applauded at a certain point would hire a claque for the evening. Its leader would buy their tickets for his men and, in addition, pay them a sum of money. There existed professional claqueurs who "worked" at a fixed rate. So it would often happen that, at a most unsuitable moment, roars of applause would break out around us. This made us boil with indignation. I remember once, during Tannhauser, that we silenced a group of claqueurs by our hissing. One of them, who continued to shout "Bravo" although the orchestra was still playing, was punched in the side by Adolf. On leaving the theatre, we found the leader of the claque waiting for us with a policeman. Adolf was interrogated on the spot and defended himself so brilliantly that the policeman let him go, but he was in time to catch up with the claqueur in question in the street and give him a sound box on the ears.

As nobody was admitted to the Promenade in hat and coat, we left them behind when we went to the Opera, to save the cloakroom fee. To be sure, it was often bitterly cold, coming out of the overheated theatre into the night. But what did that matter after Lohengrin or Tristan?

What was most annoying for us was that we had to be home by ten o'clock at the latest if we wanted to save the Sperrsechserl (the tip for the concierge). It took us, according to Adolfs precise calculations, at least fifteen minutes to walk home from the Opera, and so we had to leave there at a quarter to ten. The consequence was, that Adolf never succeeded in hearing the end of those operas which finished later and I had to play for him on the piano what he had missed.

Richard Wagner's music dreams were still the object of our undivided love and enthusiasm. For Adolf, nothing could compete with the great mystical world that the Master conjured up for us. Thus, for instance, when I wanted to see some magnificent Verdi production in the Hof Opera, he would bully me until I gave up my Verdi and went with him to the People's Opera in Wahring, where they were doing Wagner. He preferred a mediocre Wagner performance a hundred times to a first-class Verdi. I thought differently, but what was the use? I had to yield, as usual, for when it was a question of a Wagner performance, Adolf would tolerate no opposition. No doubt he had heard a much better performance of he work in question-l do not remember whether it was Lohengrin or Tristan — at the Hof Opera. But this was not the point at issue. Listening to Wagner meant to him, not a simple visit to the theatre, but the opportunity of being transported into that extraordinary state which Wagner's music produced in him, that trance, that escape into a mystical dream world which he needed in order to endure the tensions of his turbulent nature.

......

In this, my friend saw the unique, eternal formula with which Richard Wagner castigated the want of comprehension of his contemporaries and which, so to speak, applied to his own fate; for his father, his family, his teachers, although they certainly had "felt" that there was something outstanding about him, for the love of God could not understand it. And when people had, at long last, grasped what he wanted, they still remained incapable of "measuring" the extent of his will. These lines were for him a daily exhortation, a never failing comfort which helped him in his dark hours.

We studied, with libretto and score, those works of Wagner that we had not seen in Linz. So Wagnerian Vienna found us well prepared and, naturally enough, we entered at once the ranks of his worshipers, and wherever we could we acclaimed the work of the Master of Bayreuth with fervent enthusiasm.


......

What had been for us the height of artistic experience in Linz was reduced to the level of poor, well-intentioned provincial performances after we had seen the perfect Wagner interpretations by Gustav Mahler at the Vienna H of Opera. But Adolf would not have been Adolf if he had contented himself with regretful memories. He loved Linz, which he always thought of as his home town, although both his parents were dead and there was only one human being left there to whom he was passionately devoted, Stefanie, who still did not know what she meant to the pale youth who had stood and waited for her day after day at the Schmiedtoreck. The cultural life of Linz had to be brought to a level commensurate with that of Vienna : with savage determination Adolf set to work.

On leaving Linz, he had put great hopes in the Theatre Building Society, of which he had become an enthusiastic member. But these worthies who had got together to give Linz a new, dignified theatre apparently were making no headway. Nothing was ever heard of it and Adolf's impatience grew. So he started working on his own. He took pleasure in applying to his own home town that style of monumental architecture that he had become familiar with in Imperial Vienna.

......

He had already removed from the central area of the town the railway station with its ugly workshops, smoke-stained sheds and cumbersome railway tracks and transferred it to the outskirts. This enabled him to enlarge the Park and add a Zoo, a Palm House and, of course, an illuminated fountain. It was in the centre of this well-tended park that the new Linz Opera House should be erected, smaller in size than the Vienna Hof Opera, but its equal in technical equipment. The old theatre was to become a Playhouse and was to be put under the same direction as the Opera.

In this way my friend got over the deplorable conditions of his home town and all the greater was the enjoyment that he derived from Vienna's artistic attractions.

We saw almost all Richard Wagner's works. The Flying Dutchman, Lohengrin, Tannhauser, Tristan and Isolde, Die Meistersinger have remained unforgettable to me, as has The Ring, and even Parsifal.

.....

Occasionally, of course, Adolf saw other operas as well, but they never meant as much to him as Wagner's. In Linz we had already seen a surprisingly good Figaro, which had filled Adolf with delight. I still remember him saying, on our way home, that the Linz theatre should in future concentrate on operas which, like Figaro, were within their scope. A production of The Magic Flute, on the other hand, was a complete failure, and Weber's Freischutz was so bad that Adolf never wanted to see it again. But in Vienna, of course, every thing was different. We saw perfect performances, not only of the Mozart operas, but also of Beethoven's Fidelio. Italian opera never attracted Adolf, although Italian composers like Donizetti, Rossini, Bellini and especially Verdi, as well as Puccini, who was then still very modern, were highly appreciated in Vienna and played to full houses.

The Verdi operas we saw together were The Masked Ball, 11 Trovatore, Rigoletto and La Traviata, but Aida was the only one which he liked at all. For him, the plots of Italian operas laid too much emphasis upon theatrical effect. He objected to trickery, knavery and deception as the basic elements of a dramatic situation. He said to me once, "What would these Italians do if they had no daggers?" He found Verdi's music too unpretentious, relying too much on melody. How rich and varied by comparison was Wagner's range! One day when we heard an organ grinder playing La donna e mobile, Adolf said, "There's your Verdi!" When I replied that no composer was safe from such profanation of his works, he barked at me furiously, "Can you imagine Lohengrin's narration on a barrel organ?"

.....

Neither Gounod, whose Faust he regarded as vulgar, nor Tchaikovsky, nor Smetana met with his approval. No doubt he was handicapped here by his obsession with German mythology. He rejected my contention that music should appeal to all races and nations. For him nothing counted but German ways, German feeling and German thought. He accepted none but the German masters. How often did he tell me that he was proud to belong to a people who had produced such masters.

When he listened to Wagner's music he was a changed man; his violence left him, he became quiet, yielding and tractable. His gaze lost its restlessness; his own destiny, however heavily it may have weighed upon him, became unimportant. He no longer felt lonely and outlawed, and misjudged by society. He was intoxicated and bewitched. Willingly he let himself be carried away into that mystical universe which was more real to him than the actual workaday world. From the stale, musty prison of his back room, he was transported into the blissful regions of Germanic antiquity, that ideal world which was the lofty goal for all his endeavours.

Thirty years later, when he met me again in Linz, his friend whom he had last seen as a student of the Vienna Conservatory, he was convinced that I had become an important conductor; but when I appeared before him as a humble municipal employee. Hitler, then Reichs Chancellor, said to me, "So you have become a pen-pusher? But you are an artist. We'll talk about it." With these words, he was probably alluding to the possibility of my assuming the direction of an orchestra.

I declined, gratefully. I no longer felt up to the task. When he realised that he could not help his friend with this generous offer, he recalled our common experiences in the Linz Theatre and in the Vienna Hof Opera, which had elevated our friendship from the commonplace to the sacred sphere of his own world, and invited me to come to Bayreuth.

I should never have thought that those outstanding artistic experiences of my Vienna student days could still be surpassed. And yet this was the case. For what I experienced in Bayreuth as the guest of the friend of my youth was the culmination of everything that Richard Wagner had ever meant in my life.
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Michael K.

#63
July 07, 2012, 08:53:01 AM
CSR wrote:

QuoteTim... come on now... don't beat this dead old horse... :)

QuotePrussia
Hussar from Husaren-Regiment Nr.5 (von Ruesch) in 1744 with the Totenkopf on the mirliton (ger. Flügelmütze).
August von Mackensen, German field marshal.

Use of the symbol as a military insignia began with the cavalry of the Prussian army under Frederick the Great. Frederick formed Husaren-Regiment Nr. 5 (von Ruesch), a Hussar regiment commanded by Colonel von Ruesch. These Hussars adopted a black uniform with a Totenkopf emblazoned on the front of their mirlitons and wore it on the field in the War of Austrian Succession and in the Seven Years' War.

In 1808, when the regiment was reformed into Leib-Husaren Regiments Nr.1 and Nr.2, the Totenkopf remained a part of the uniform. During the Napoleonic Wars, when Frederick William, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, was killed in battle, his troops changed the colour of their uniforms to black, with a Totenkopf on their shakos in mourning their dead leader (Other sources claim that the "Black Brunswickers" were so equipped while Friedrich Wilhelm of Brunswick lived, as a sign of revenge on the French.[2]


http://encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com/f/ ... the-great/
QuoteFrederick II, King of Prussia, surnamed the Great, was born on January 14, 1712, and died on August 17, 1786, at the age of seventy-four years and a few months. He was initiated as a Freemason, at Brunswick, on the night of August 14, 1738, not quite two years before he ascended the throne...

We hear no more of Frederick's Freemasonry in the printed records until the 16th of July, 1774, when he granted his protection to the National Grand Lodge of Germany, and officially approved of the treaty with the Grand Lodge of England, by which the National Grand Lodge was established. In the year 1777, the Mother Lodge, Royal York of Friendship, at Berlin, celebrated, by a festival, the king's birthday, on which occasion Frederick wrote the following letter, which, as it is the only printed declaration of his opinion of Freemasonry that is now extant, is well worth copying:

QuoteI cannot but be sensible of the new homage of the Lodge Royal York of Friendship on the occasion of the anniversary of my birth bearing, as it does the evidence of its zeal and attachment for my person. Its orator has well expressed the sentiments which animate all its labors; and a society which employs itself only in sowing the seed and bringing forth the fruit of every kind of virtue in my dominions may always be assured of my protection. It is the glorious task of every good sovereign and 1 will never cease to fulfill it. And so I pray God to take you and your Lodge under his holy and deserved protection. Potsdam, this 14th of February, 1777. Frederick. Brother ad. E. Cauthorne submits here that, Frederick did not ill his latter days take the active interest in Freemasonry that had distinguished his early life before coming to the throne. It cannot be established that he ever attended a meeting after he became king, though manic such efforts have been attempted. Some overzealous persons have claimed that he established the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of the Thirty-third Degree but the Grand Lodge of the Three Globes at Berlin as well as many European historians, have often shown this a> have been impossible. But we must not forget that the adoption of the Constitutions makes them legally binding upon the Freemasons who subscribe to this document, no matter whether it was or was not the creation of Frederick. Further, in reference to the above comments by Brother Cauthorne, the subject of Frederick's Masonic activity and the Constitutions has been given critical study by Brothers General Albert Pike, Enoch T. Carson and Dr. Wilhelm Begemann (see their various conclusions in Mackey's revised History of Freemasonry, pages 1828-39).

http://www.masonicworld.com/education/f ... asonry.htm

QuoteAs soon as Frederick ascended the throne, he invited into his kingdom all those who were called les esprits forts: Voltaire, le Marquis d'Argens, the Abbe de Prade, Maupertuis, and even the impious La Metrie. This example encouraged the literary Germans to proclaim their sentiments, Berlin became the asylum of the persecuted, and the nursery of truth.

The history of the secret societies of Germany was at that time little known. It might be interesting to a philosopher, but the generality of people might regard it as a romance: all well-informed persons can attest the reality of it.

Towards the end of the last century an association, or secret society, existed, which was daily gaining ground. It was the Order of the Illumines. The chiefs of this Order had resolved to form an association which was to unveil the mysteries of superstition, to enlighten mankind, and to render them happy. Their object was to gain a superiority over the lodges of Freemasonry, (2) and to turn these institutions from darkness to the benefit of humanity. They proposed to extend the sphere of knowledge universally, not so much in depth as on the surface; to introduce reason and good sense; to ameliorate the condition of men by an insensible operation. No Prince, however great or good, was to be admitted. They swore to preserve, as much as was in their power, Sovereigns from the perpetration of crimes, and from the commission of errors; to abolish the slavery of despotism, to destroy ecclesiastical jurisdiction, to favour the liberty of the press, and to unveil mysteries of every description.

The project was great noble and sublime; but prudence was wanting in its execution. They expected to see a sudden effect, whilst they forgot that the edifice was only building. The society enlarged, the wicked and designing were admitted; the powers of bigotry and superstition saw the force of their enemy, and the arm of Government was called to their assistance. Many of the chiefs were driven from Germany, others were imprisoned, and every thing but death and torture inflicted on them.

The dispersed members of this association soon formed another assembly; they were again surprised, their papers taken, and their doctrines published, without regard to the effects which they might produce. Many sects arose from these, which rendered discord prevalent throughout Germany. Their different Orders had little resemblance to Freemasonry - they were visionary, mystical, and cabalistic.

Frederick had too sound an understanding to be caught in the snares of enthusiasm. It is not known whether the attempt were made to conquer him, but it is most probable that he was never tried. Nor is it certain when the area or how the nature of the misunderstanding between this Monarch and the superiors of the Order of Freemasonry began. Whether he was ignorant of the machinations of modern Masonry, of the visions and the horrors which were latterly raised, or of the general tendency of these mysterious associations; or whether having once adopted the Masonic costume, and having openly protected its Orders, he did not wish, even after having seen its evil tendencies, to retract and to separate from a society into which he had erewhile not disdained to enter - he refrained from excluding from his dominions these secret associations.

Masons of every denomination - Rosicrucians, Centralists, Illuminate - had all, under his reign, the liberty of establishing lodges and societies according to their fancy, provided they did not disturb the public order.

Thus Berlin became the receptacle of sects, of parties, of conjurations, of chemical mysteries, and of extravagances of every kind.

Horse just playing dead...

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/bernheim12.html

QuoteGERMANY'S GRAND LODGES UP TO 1930

At the beginning of 1930, Germany comprized some 75,000 Masons and nine regular Grand Lodges, the numerical importance of which was very different (see Table 1). About two-thirds of the brethren belonged to the three oldest, always Christian-oriented and at that time strongly nationalistic Grand Lodges founded in the 18th century which were called 'Old Prussian' because they were founded and had their seats in Berlin. They never initiated 'non-Christians', the then usual expression to designate Jews. Along the 19th century, five more German Grand Lodges were founded and a further one in 1924. They were called 'humanitarian' and initiated men of any religious denomination (see Table 2). In 1922, the Old Prussian Grand Lodges decided to withdraw from the German Grand Lodges' Alliance founded in 1872, explaining: « There is a border which strongly differentiates humanitarian from Old Prussian national Freemasonry. We, the three Old Prussian Grand Lodges, refuse to take part in the general humanitarian fraternization movement between people in the world. » (Steffens, p. 332)





Some brethren believe that there was only one type of German Freemasonry which was indifferently persecuted by Hitler. In fact, several masonic spiritual families existed side by side in Germany, which reacted and were treated differently by the Nazis. In 1994, Melzer stressed the fact that men like Kurt Tucholsky (1890-1935), or Carl von Ossietzky (1889-1938) who received the Nobel-Prize for Peace in 1935, are often cited as famous German Freemasons of that period, but that it is seldom mentioned that they both belonged to the FzaS (Masonic Union of the Rising Sun) founded in 1907, which German and most foreign Grand Lodges termed 'irregular' (for an English appreciation of the FzaS, see Jowett). Melzer also remarked that the name and deeds of one of the most remarkable brethren of that time, Leo Müffelmann, tend to be slowly forgotten...

A pamphlet (Denkschrift zur Klarstellung des Verhältnisses der Grossen National-Mutterloge [...], present writer's archives) privately printed in 1951 by the Grand National Mother-Lodge of the Three Globes, shows what was then its attitude toward its recent past:

QuoteThe pure working of the Mother-Lodge of the Three Globes was disturbed by the National Socialists' assumption of power on January 30th, 1933. The Grand Lodges working in Germany dissolved under the pressure of circumstances, with the exceptions of the Grand National Mother-Lodge, of the Grand National Lodge, and of Royal York. These three Grand Lodges, called Old Prussian, relying on their old rights, attempted to keep on existing. However the ideology of National Socialism found an echo even in the ranks of the brethren, which manifested itself in the activity of Bro. Bordes, Master of the military Lodge 'Star of Brabant', and in that of daughter-lodges of the western part of Germany which created the Bielefelder and Wetzlarer Circles. This resulted in Bro. Bordes being elected Grand Master by a majority of Grand Lodge members from western Germany, present at the general assembly held on April 9th, 1933 [...]. Bro. Bordes, a follower of Hitler, was fascinated by National Socialism.

http://www.tribwatch.com/nazi.htm
QuoteARYANS VERSUS ROTHSCHILDS

I do not believe that Hitler was on side with the Illuminati if by that term we mean the Rothschild secret societies that came before him in Britain and France. It appears abundantly clear that the Rothschilds, who were working hard to re-populate Israel with Jews, were opposed by the Nazis in that very agenda. The Nazis were not only attempting to destroy the Jews, but they persecuted the Rothschilds as well, killing at least one of them.

At one time it confused me to learn that Hitler also persecuted/killed the Jehovah's Witnesses, but now I see that what I considered petty speaks again to Hitler's anti-Rothschild program, for the founder of the JW's was Charles Russell, an avid Illuminatist acting vigorously on behalf of Rothschild Zionism. Apparently, then, the JW's were yet a sufficient threat to the anti-Jewish forces of World War II that they were marked for elimination.

It is likely that the Nazis knew well beforehand the details of the 1948 Jewish-resettlement mandate. That year coincides with Rosicrucian/Illuminati plots for a New World Order on or about the year 2000. For, through a wildly faulty interpretation of the Daniel-9 prophecy, the leading Rosicrucian, Isaac Newton, had predicted -- three centuries ago! -- that Jesus would return 49 years after the establishment of Israel in Palestine. Rosicrucians of later generations must have taken Newton's scheme to heart because the 20th-century Rosicrucian psychic, Edgar Cayce, had predicted the return of Jesus immediately after the discovery of the so-called "Hall of Records" in 1996-98; note that 1948 plus 49 years lands smack dab between those dates, in 1997.

Cayce announced the 1996-98 period in 1930ish, long before 1948 arrived, meaning that 1948 had already been chosen, prior to the time of his announcement, as the year of Israeli Independence.

With peculiarity, if the following be true, Henry Sedgwick of the Rosicrucian/Rothschild Illuminati predicted, while yet in the 19th century, the beginning of the New Age for 2000.5, a date that conjures up 1997 plus 3.5 years. One could therefore get the impression that the year of Israel's re-establishment had been chosen, not by God, but by Illuminati groups, at least several decades ahead of time, to coincide with 2000.

As we will see in later chapters, the Rothschild Illuminati was wound up in Rosicrucianism, and because Hitler's people were Rosicrucians, he could have learned from Rothschild agents the details of the 1948 Zionist agenda. It may have been this agenda that broke the Nazi-Rothschild partnership, if ever there was one (some suggest there was). We see the rise of the Nazis very soon after the first World War in which Rothschild's pro-Zionist "Balfour Declaration of 1917" was announced. The second World War was thereby assured as a war between the Aryan Nazis and the Rothschilds, in a struggle to wrestle control of Europe away from the Rothschilds.

We might speculate that, on the one extreme, the Jewish Illuminati wanted a Biblical Millennium with Jews in the highest power structures, while at the other extreme, the Nazi-Atlantean Rosicrucians wanted something quite different, more along the lines of open paganism. One could estimate that this squabble hasn't gone away just because Hitler lost the war; the same divisions could exist today in Illuminata-land.

When I learned that the Nazis were affiliated with old-Norse paganism, I connected them to the Rose-Line cult simply because I had come to categorize the Rose Line primarily as an old-Norse cult seeking world conquest. Some have suggested that Hitler was an illegitimate Rothschild, but I dunno, although I would not be surprised if what amounts to an official world leader of the New World Order will one day to our future be a Rothschild...by some other name to disguise it.

Because the Nazi leadership promoted a brand of world-conquest Aryanism, I wondered if they had been connected to the New Atlantis hoax as per the Edgar-Cayce Rosicrucians. Aryanism and Atlantis are hand-in-hand concepts that were promoted prior to the Nazis by the likes of Madame Blavatsky and her Theosophical Society. It is known that Theosophy was intricately entwined around the Golden Dawn cult of England, which itself was a branch of the Bavarian Illuminati to which the first Rothschilds committed themselves:

    "Blavatsky claimed to have been party to revelations from Hidden Masters called the "Great White Brotherhood" who resided somewhere in the Himalayas. But Blavatsky later admitted in letters to her sister that this was a codename for the Rosicrucian hierarchy who funded her. It is clear her work is influenced, if not sourced, in the work of Masonic demagogue General Albert Pike - the American South's Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, Civil War war criminal, and leading member of the Ku Klux Klan - who revealed Rosicrucian/Masonic doctrine and its "Aryan heritage" in his unpublished pamphlet Morals & Dogma (1871) that was distributed to Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret (32nd degree) Scottish Rite initiates" (http://www.kat.gr/kat/history/Mod/nv/Bl ... Helena.htm)

Not only had Blavatsky been illuminated in the Atlantean world-conquest scheme by Rosicrucian priests of a Tibetan monastery, where she learned that "Atlantean" and "Aryan" were synonymous terms, but she picked the Nazi symbol up from that place so as to reveal the Rosicrucian nature of the Nazis:

    Blavatsky was taught that the most powerful symbol of these esoteric ones was the Swastica. She wrote there were 7 stages of [human] evolution - she named them "route races". The race which should rise again to true spirit she named Aryans. In Tibet the Swastica was known as the "son of fire and creation", but in Madame Blavatsky's teachings the Swastica was the symbol of the Aryan race."

    Guido von List (1848-1919)...was very fascinated by Madame Blavatsky's ideas, too, so he incorporated her occult teachings into his own teachings of German myth"

    "Hitler and the Secret Societies," by Wes Penre,
    (http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm).

The German myth that Penre speaks of was "the worship of the god Wotan" (or Odin), the chief Scandinavian god who, I believe, was an ancestral Gogi leader where the Scandinavians had been settled, in the Black-sea region. But not only the Scandinavians, for the ancient Germans were themselves relatives of the Scandinavians, for they too worshipped Odin. It is very interesting that the Bible calls end-time Gog an "Assyrian," while many German researchers claim ancestry in the Assyrians. I should add that both the Scandinavians and the Merovingian Franks are classified today as "Germanic" tribes, and that the Merovingians worshipped Odin very seriously.

Penre continues to tie the Nazis to the Scandinavians by saying: "Von List taught that the Swastica was '...the very act of creation' based on the Norse legend about the creation of the universe." Then, near the end of von List's life, the "Thule Society" was born (1918) after his teachings. Thule was the name of Scandinavia in ancient times, but has since become a mythical island referring to an ancient civilization. Atlantis comes to mind. Penre writes:

    "Hitler now became a member of even another occult organization - the Vril Society. Vril was the language spoken by the Atlanteans, composed of sounds and clicks...vril was the power that woke up man's ability to be a Superhuman."

That sounds like "tongues" and the Manifest-Sons-of-God teachings now spreading in charismatic circles. In the next part of my book, I show charismatic connections to Illuminatists/Freemasons, and that Rosicrucian "alchemy," a spiritual transformation of the soul, is very similar to the manifest-Sons doctrine so that we all had better be very careful where the spirit comes from in the churches which teach these things. Penre writes: "The Thule society was an outspring from the Germanen Order, founded in 1912, which also was led by von Sebottendorf. He had published a strange booklet called "Die Praxis der alten türkischen Freimaurerei" [The practice of ancient Turkish Freemasonry]. It was about how alchemy could transformate mankind."

Turkish Freemasonry? For what it may be worth to you, let me tell that, in my attempts to identify the modern Gogi, I found that the Turks are one main branch. Put concisely, the Gogi were a branch of Scythians, and while some western Scythians evolved into the blue-eyed blonde Sarmations who brought forth the Germanic tribes known variously as Alans/Goths, other Scythians (in the far east) brought forth the Huns who in turn brought forth the Kok-Turks, the latter ruled by Khazars who ultimately produced the Seljuk Turks that in turn evolved into the Ottomans who came to rule Palestine for a long time...until the Rothschilds defeated them in 1917 en route to taking control of Palestine. I note that, also in 1917, the Rothschilds, via the Bolshevik Revolution, took control of the other Gogi, the Russians. The defeated Ottoman Gogi were left confined mainly to Turkey, and I doubt very much that they will put forth the Biblical end-time Gog.

In the 19th century, the English and German Rothschilds had been involved in, as I touch upon in another chapter (www.tribatch.com/jewsociety.htm), the bishopric-of-Jerusalem scam (1842 onward), wherein the bishops of Jerusalem alternated between Anglican and Prussian bishops, may have been based on a partnership between the English and German Rothschilds. According to Britannica, the Germans, while yet in that 19th century, began to invest huge tax-dollar initiatives for the purpose of building the most skilled and powerful army in the world, as if planning to initiate World War I (1914) many years in advance. The fact that the English Rothschilds can be shown to have been secretly on side with the Germans during that War shows that the Rothschilds from both countries were brainwashing/using the German peoples from an early time to bring these initiatives to pass.

The Hitler attempt at supremacy becomes staggering, not only as we realize that Rosicrucianism is alive and powerful into the 20th century, but when we suspect that the Roslin Institute, which advances genetic-modification technology, is a Rosicrucian bastion attempting any number of insane possibilities toward "superhuman" world rule. The Roslin institute conducts gene-altering tests on animals as practice for altering human genes and the ultimate goal of successful human cloning. In theory, the blood and/or other body parts on the Shroud of Turin can possibly furnish a clone of the person once wrapped within it, and this clone can then be proclaimed as a resurrected Jesus.

It's staggering to learn that the father of human genetics/eugenics, Francis Galton, was associated with the scientific think tank, the Lunar Circle/Society (in England), no doubt a Rosicrucian organization after the Royal Society. One founder, if not the founder, of the Lunar Circle was the grandfather of Charles Darwin, and he, Erasmus Darwin, had been the initial promoter of the Origin-of-Species concept. Another member of the Lunar Circle was Samuel Galton, the grandfather of Francis.

The purpose of the Lunar Circle was to furnish a utopian world through scientific inventions, but, alas, all that it gave us was the smoke and greed of the Industrial Revolution, which even the modern pagans regret and lament. The Rosicrucian, Ben Franklin, was affiliated with members of the Lunar Society, and by and large, the members were advocates of the liberal-minded French and American Revolutions, the projects of various Illuminatists. "Interestingly enough, in an article by Lord Richie-Calder, Lunar Society members were assigned the very esoteric appellation of 'merchants of light.' This was precisely the same description used for the hypothetical society presented in Sir Francis Bacon's New Atlantis"
(this quote by Ian Taylor, the Creationist I presume, but borrowed from:
http://www.biped.info/articles/collins1.html)

Half-cousin to Charles Darwin was Francis Galton, and he used Origin of Species in the way intended by its author, first to become an apostate, and then to attack Christianity. Evolution became "survival of the fittest," and the Nazis came to use just that concept when seeking their superhuman race. Francis had said, "...it would be quite practical to produce a highly gifted race of men by judicious marriages during several consecutive generations" (Britannica 1970 Vol. 8 pg. 815).

It could be important that Erasmus studied medicine at the University of Edinburgh, in the city where the Roslin Institute is now located. "Darwin himself was initiated at the St David's Lodge No 36, Edinburgh in 1754 at a time when Edinburgh was a center for enlightenment and medical knowledge. He was also a member of the Canongate Kilwinning Lodge No 2."
(http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/issue9-eye.shtml)

The Enlightenment was a Rosicrucian concept but disguised as Unitarian/Universalist Christianity, otherwise called "liberal" Christianity but known by myself as apostate Satanism, having the purpose of pulling as many Christian souls down as possible. According to freedictionary.com, the precursors of the Enlightenment were the Polish Brethren, a brotherhood of Arians defined as those who reject the deity of Jesus; these spread to the Netherlands where also the Rosicrucians had been brooding. "The Polish Brethren advocated the separation of church and state and taught the equality and brotherhood of all people"
(http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.c ... 20brethren) In other words, the Unites States finds its roots in the Polish Brethren, for as the latter wormed their way into the mind of John Locke, he wormed into the mind of Thomas Jefferson. Erasmus Darwin was cut essentially from the same cloth; it was nothing less than a planned anti-Christian movement with a deliberate air of respectability. With Utopia in mind, "Locke himself declared that 'in the beginning all the world was America.'
(http://www.metrum.org/mapping/atlantis.htm)

It would be hard for me to deny that this movement, still with us to this day, will provide the anti-Christ spirit of the last days under the designation, "False Prophet." The question is, which brand of Rosicrucians will put forth the False Prophet, the Rothschilds/Zionists, or the "Christian" apostates, or the neo-Nazis? Or will they all unite? It is perhaps due to the inability of the various Illuminatii to reach a compromise that the New World Order merely spins its wheels at this time. It's true that the New World Order is already upon us, but no official announcement has been made, no official ceremony to mark her commencement, and no set of laws unveiled to which her culture is to conform.

CrackSmokeRepublican

#64
July 08, 2012, 12:43:41 AM
From Wes Penre's Website:  
QuoteHuman Origins and Genetic Engineering

These Papers go into details about how our sector of the Milky Way (Sector 9) was developed and who our true ancestors were. They will also discuss the many galactic wars and conflicts that have been taken place, and still are going on between different alien races, dimensional and inter-dimensional.

Moreover, we will discuss all the very strong evidence that the human race (the current homo sapiens sapiens), has been genetically engineered by extraterrestrial species "in their image". This manipulation and improvements of already existing species on Earth has been done on us by more than one alien race. It all started millions of years ago, and in these papers we will talk about those who more or less made us into what we are today; the modern man. And interestingly enough; some of them are still here.  :shock:

http://wespenre.com/


I don't know Michael but it looks like there might be "two" prizes in that "box". There is a huge "Plastic UFO-Lizard re-entry vehicle" prize down in there somewhere by the looks of Penre's work. It connects it "all together".  :think:   Now, you can get more than just the "decoder" ring, you can get the "UFO vehicle" that the "Icke Lizard" can fit into to travel across the stars and even time warps... it even takes a single AA battery... just ignore the "Made in China" stamp by "Penre Industries". Some assembly required.   :)   :wave: .  

The old horse is dead.   :D:D
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#65
July 08, 2012, 01:13:28 AM
Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"From Wes Penre's Website:  
QuoteHuman Origins and Genetic Engineering

These Papers go into details about how our sector of the Milky Way (Sector 9) was developed and who our true ancestors were. They will also discuss the many galactic wars and conflicts that have been taken place, and still are going on between different alien races, dimensional and inter-dimensional.

Moreover, we will discuss all the very strong evidence that the human race (the current homo sapiens sapiens), has been genetically engineered by extraterrestrial species "in their image". This manipulation and improvements of already existing species on Earth has been done on us by more than one alien race. It all started millions of years ago, and in these papers we will talk about those who more or less made us into what we are today; the modern man. And interestingly enough; some of them are still here.  :shock:

http://wespenre.com/


I don't know Michael but it looks like there might be "two" prizes in that "box". There is a huge "Plastic UFO-Lizard re-entry vehicle" prize down in there somewhere by the looks of Penre's work. It connects it "all together".  :think:   Now, you can get more than just the "decoder" ring, you can get the "UFO vehicle" that the "Icke Lizard" can fit into to travel across the stars and even time warps... it even takes a single AA battery... just ignore the "Made in China" stamp by "Penre Industries". Some assembly required.   :)   :wave: .  

The old horse is dead.   :D:D

Speaking of dead horses, I think your cereal box joke has run its course. And frankly, it comes off as evasive.
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CrackSmokeRepublican

#66
July 08, 2012, 02:26:07 AM
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"
Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"From Wes Penre's Website:  
Quote...

The old horse is dead.   :D:D

Speaking of dead horses, I think your cereal box joke has run its course. And frankly, it comes off as evasive.

Well I actually meant it to be annoying... I guess it worked.   0:)
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

mgt23

#67
July 08, 2012, 06:45:09 AM
i want the vehicle.......i need to complete the set huhuhuhuhuhu

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#68
July 20, 2012, 02:54:12 AM


Nazis persecution of "homosexuals" as a smoke screen

From historian E. Michael Jones, notable author of The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit:

QuoteIn thinking back on his days at the institute, while in exile in France, Hirschfeld (Jewish sexologist) remembered a day, three years before the Nazis came to power, when the institute treated a patient who had had a sexual encounter with SA chief and NSDAP founder, Enrsy Roehm. "We were on good terms with him," Hirschfeld wrote of tis patient, "and he told use quite a bit of what happened in his circle. But at that time we hardly took notice of his accounts. He also referred to Adolf Hitler in the oddest possible manner. 'Afi is the most perverted of all of us. He is like a very soft woman, but now he makes great propaganda in heroic morale.'"

Guenter Maeder described the conversion as "Tuntengeschwaetz" or queer gossip, but Hirschefeld was obviously having second thoughts as did Maeder, who wrote that, "after careful reflection about the matter, and in view of prominent psychologists, Hitler had something feminine  about him. He was perhaps sadomasochistic, with some homosexual inclinations. These instincts did not seem strong enough to resist repression and sublimation through an iron will."

Far from prosecuting homosexuals, the Nazi leadership was almost exclusively homosexual, and struggles in the Weimar Republic during the '20s amounted, according to Abrams and Lively's reading, to a battle between two groups of homosexuals: the "butch" faction under SA leader Ernst Roehm, and the "femmes" under Magnus Hirschfeld. Because the courts referred violators of Paragraph 175 to him for treatment, Hirschfeld came into possession of large amounts of incriminating evidence concerning the sex lives and homosexual proclivities of prominent Nazis. Hirschfeld, apparently no respecter of professional confidentiality, worked hand-in-glove with the SPD, the social democrat party in Germany, during the Weimar Republic, releasing to their newspapers selected details about the perverted sex lives of Nazi luminaries. Ernst Roehm had to make an impromptu trip to Bolivia  as the result of Hirschfeld's sexual-science archives making their way into SPD newspapers. The Nazis bombed in the next election, as a result, and Hitler was furious. Hirschfeld, as a result, became not only the essence of everything Hitler hated—the Jew, the phony scientist, the queer, the Kulturbolschewist, and social engineer—he became a potent political enemy as well, and denunciations of Hirschfeld, as the typical Jew, began to figure prominently in Hitler's speeches from then on.

Hitler, according to Igra, was a homosexual prostitute in Vienna. The Nazis were also notoriously homosexual, so much so that Mussolini was scandalized by their behaviour. As a result, the homosexual issue was something that Hitler would have to use against his opponents lest his opponents use the issue against him. Politically, however, the situation was unambiguous. The major parties of the Left, SPD and the communists, both espoused gay rights and came close to fulfilling Hirschfeld's dream in the late '20s of abolishing Paragraph 175....

—E. Michael Jones, Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control, St. Augustine's Press, pages 197-198



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SPECTEC

#69
July 20, 2012, 07:52:35 PM
Video by Thirdeyewise...

[youtube:3754rm3z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGLhhHu1Kig[/youtube]3754rm3z]

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#70
July 20, 2012, 09:33:43 PM
Great post, SPECTEC. I've always liked Myron Fagan.



More on Nazi homosexual hypocrisy from E. Michael Jones, continued from my previous post from Libido Dominandi:

QuoteThis left Hitler with only one option in exploiting the average German's revulsion  at the Weimar Republic's version of gay liberation. IN addition to that, Hitler, largely as a result of his stay in prison following the abortive Munich Beer Hall putsch, had decided that he needed to come to power in Germany by democratic means, not by military force. That meant taking into account public opinion and manipulating it to his advantage. That meant tapping the huge amount of resentment against the punitive Versailles Treaty, the threat of communist revolution, and Kulturbolsche-wismus or modernity of the sort practiced by Schoenborg in music, Gropius in architecture, and, most of all, Hirschfeld in sexology.

As a result of their exigencies, Hitler embarked on an anti-gay rights campaign that focused obsessively on Hirschfeld and quickly shaded over into smearing all things modern as Jewish, foreign, internationalist, and racially degenerate. The fact that Berlin had become a magnet for homosexuals lent force to Hitler's claim that modernity and degeneracy were synonymous. If anyone doubted Hitler;s charges, there was always the high-profile example of Magnus Hirschfeld testifying at another sodomy trial or organizing  one of the international congresses for sexual reform to prove him right. IN this respect, Hitler used Hirschfeld as a way of solidifying his support among the middle-class Germans scandalized by the sexual excesses of Weimar and their effect on a nation already weakened by revolutionary threats from the East and the onerous financial burdens exacted by the West through the ruinous Versailles Treat.

Even Max Hodann, who was sympathetic to the cause of "sexual reform," saw Hirschfeld as a catalyst for reaction. Hirschfeld, in this regard, was eve more notorious than Sigmund Freud as a sign of decadence. Erwin Haberle, another avowed proponent of homosexual rights, claims that "according to Hodann, Hirschfeld provoked the reactionary opposition being a Jew, a leftist, and an advocate of homosexual rights." The Nazis persecuted Hirschfeld, not only on account of his "non-Aryan" extraction, but also "because of his open acknowledgement of pacifist and socialist tendencies and his work in sexual science."

Homosexual rights, as practiced by Jewish homosexual advocates like Magnus Hirschfeld, was made to order for Hitler's rise to power, a rise to power that was based, at least until 1933, to a large extent on the revulsion the German population at large felt at the sexual excesses of the Weimar Republic. German Jews had homosexual activists like Hirschfeld to thank for the rise of Hitler. Haeberle claims that, "indeed, the very concept of sexology, was the work of German Jews" without understanding  or being willing to admit the role that homosexual decadence would play in creating and fostering anti-Semitism in the Weimar Republic and, in effect, in bringing Hitler to power....

In 1935, the Nazis amended Paragraph 175 by including a provision which criminalized any type of behaviour that could be construed as indicating homosexual inclination or desire. The result of, as well as the intention behind, this change in law, which, not coincidentally, dropped reference to homosexuality as unnatural, are easy enough to see. The Nazis, in the name of upholding sexual morality, could now eliminate, without judicial restraint, anyone who disagreed with them. This new law provided the Nazis with an especially potent legal weapon against their enemies. It will never be known how many non-homosexuals were charged  under this law, but it is indisputable  that the Nazis used false accusations of homosexuality to justify the detainment and imprisonment of many of their opponents. "The law was so loosely formulated," writes Steakley, "that it could be, and was, applied against heterosexuals who the Nazis wanted to eliminate...the law was also used repeatedly against Catholic clergymen." Kogon writes that "The Gestapo readily had recourse to the charge of homosexuality if it was unable to find any pretext for proceeding against Catholic priests or irksome critics"....
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Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#71
July 21, 2012, 01:44:36 AM
Quote from: "SPECTEC"Video by Thirdeyewise...

[youtube:1yvmtutx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGLhhHu1Kig[/youtube]1yvmtutx]

If Fagan is correct, perhaps it was Theodore Herzl who penned Mein Kampf.
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CrackSmokeRepublican

#72
July 21, 2012, 02:40:04 AM
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"If Fagan is correct, perhaps it was Theodore Herzl who penned Mein Kampf.



Tim list it all 1 to XX.    

Here I'll start it a bit:

1. Hitler was a secret Jew? (not true)
2. The Brownshirts were all Homos? (not true, but you seem to be really interested in this for some reason  :think:  ???)
3. Hirschfeld a Commie, Faggot Jew was a reliable source to testify on Hitler and his writings should be considered as reliable sources? (a joke)
4. Nazis were thugs that generally imprisoned people that "criticized" them. (Yeah, mostly true).
5. Catholic Priests were singled out for persecution by the Nazis-Hitler. (Not really, but celibate Priests didn't help the birth rate and it is generally a fact that a small number of them are probably homo in nature. It is not natural to be celibate. )
6. Theodore Herzl penned Mein Kampf.  (  :lol:  Well, if you must, I don't think so. There's a lot of evidence that it was edited by several people. Hitler was in jail and likely wrote it.)
7. Hitler was a co-opted secret agent of the _________.  Fill in the blank. (Queen, Bankers, Jews, Zionists, Illuminati, NWO, Alex Jonesteins, Lizard People)
8. Hitler followed the Jew script to get the Jews out of Europe and into "Palestine".  (Sounds like the crap from any number of Jews (Makow,etc.) and overrides the Protocols and the Bolshevik revolution. )
9. Hitler was financed by Jews? (Well if you must believe. Not true though.)
10. Hitler and the Nazis were Pagan. (No, they had Catholic and Protestant Priests as Chaplains in the Wehrmacht.)
11. Hitler was a Masonic-Secret Vril stooge. (No, Hitler was a politician first and foremost. Most Nazis saw opportunity in the rise to power.)
12. Most Nazis were Secret Cryptos. (No, ThirdEyeWise's undocumented crap not withstanding. Most Nazis were Germans and Christians - not 1/2 Jews or something like that.)
13. Okay... this one is yours Tim... #13 whooo....with secret bugaboo....  :)
14. E.Michael Jones doesn't make a clear point about Homos in Germany. Hitler and the Nazis supported Jew degeneracy or they didn't? Which is it?  He's trying to hide something -- namely that the Catholic Church in Germany failed to stop Jew degeneracy like they are failing to stop it in the US/Canada/England/Europe today.  What's the difference? These countries have Jews in large number today and the Church is losing members. But eventually most people get sick of Jew encroaching with Homo degeneracy -- there's something instinctive to resist it in culture and the wider society -- and the corruption is continually pushed by the J-Team in print, law, film and stories. It is shameful and sick and should not be "celebrated".  Hiter and the Nazis' laws on this were simply "Germany's" laws -- a ban was under the Kaiser? Right? Just turn the clock back 30 years and the "degeneracy" ban is still in place.-- no big deal.  Basically, the Church failed to stop Jew-Weimer corruption, but Hitler stopped it "Volte-face".  E.Michael Jones looks like Church apologia on this one.    

List them Tim I'm sure you could make a million of them related to secret "decoder ring" Illuminati or some kind of Homo-Pervert club. I'm tending not to believe a lot of people like Myron Fagan and other Jews who comment on Hitler.  Most of their work that hits against the Jews is generally believable since they often state the obvious -- but Myron Fagan talking about "Stalin not wanting WWII" is patently false considering evidence after the fall of the Soviet Union.  So, Jew blab bout Hitler, or even blab about him from his enemies,  sounds like it is pulled from thin air for simple Propaganda. I don't "bow" to a picture of Hitler, but I do think he was German, and wanted to save German people from general corrupting Jewish B.S. (Bolshevism, Sexology, Perversions, Weimer Corruption, Treaty of Versailles that required "payments", importation of Blacks into Germany by France, Jew wars, economic decline,  general Jew crimes, etc. like America today.) .  In other words -- Hitler and the NSDAP was Genuine, unapologetic Opposition to the J-Team. They fought them in the streets in the 1920s,  there's no mystery to it.      


At the end of the day, whether you like him or not or whether you think he was compromised or not, IMHO... Hitler and NSDAP were actually and genuine opposition to the J-Tribe. Western Europe was saved by Hitler just by turning against the dagger  known as "Ice-Breaker" according to Viktor Suvarov.  Hitler stopped Jew corruption in Germany from 1933-1945. Before that and after that is an open book for Jews apologists and opinionmakers to pen their lies about Germany and Germans (or R1a-R1b-I Haplotypes-Aryans-Western Germanic peoples).  

Tim you are starting to sound like Franz Jetzinger. But his work is definitely J-Tribe promoted. Quick note on this... Hitler never wanted to join the Austrian Army but instead the German one according to Kubizek:

QuoteLife and work

After graduating from school, Jetzinger studied at the theological faculty of the university of Salzburg. He became a Jesuit priest and professor at the philosophic-theological academy in Linz. In this capacity he visited, amongst other places, Palestine in 1908.

During the First World War, Jetzinger served as a military chaplain. In 1918 he began an intensive political career: first in the German People's Party (electoral district Ried) and from 1919 on in the Sozialdemokratische Arbeiterpartei (Socialdemocratic Worker-party). On 14 February 1921 the Catholic Church excommunicated him. From 1919 until 1934, Jetzinger served as social democratic assemblyman in the federal state Diet (electoral district Innviertel). From 1920 until 1930 he was editor at Tagesblatt. After he had worked as deputy for two years, Jetzinger became District Administrator in 1932 and therefore member of the Upper Austrian federal state government in Linz.

After the ban to take mandates on 12 February 1934, Jetzinger, being a social democrat, was arrested by Dollfuß for five weeks. Afterwards he worked as insurance appointee for the Viennese local government. In 1935 he re-entered the Catholic Church and worked as librarian in the student's library in Linz.

Having been a member of the federal state government, Jetzinger had secured for himself the Austrian military file of Adolf Hitler, which included details on Hitler's arrest in 1914, which took place because he fled from military conscription. After Hitler had annexed Austria in 1938, he repeatedly tried to have the Gestapo locate and secure the compromising file, but Jetzinger successfully hid it in his attic until 1945, despite his arrest by the Gestapo on 22 April 1944. In 1956, Jetzinger, who hated Hitler and the National Socialist regime, wrote the book Hitler's Jugend (Hitler's Youth), in which he also published the contents of Hitler's military file.

Hitler's Youth

Jetzinger gained fame in 1958 through the English version of his book Hitler's Youth, in which he could refute many of Hitler's statements about his early years. Moreover, Jetzinger attracted attention by attacking an earlier published book The Young Hitler I Knew by August Kubizek, whom Jetzinger accused of spreading falsehoods. While earlier Hitler biographers like Joachim Fest or Werner Maser adopted Jetzinger's criticism as their own, Jetzinger's crushing judgment of Kubizek's credibility is now challenged by Brigitte Hamann, author of Hitlers Wien. Hamann asserts personal motives for Jetzinger's tendency to illustrate nearly every statement in Kubizek's book as an ex post modification of facts, claiming Jetzinger was economically motivated, because the previous release of Kubizek's book supposedly undermined the sale of his own work. But has she found any new factual error in the Jetzinger work, and what might be Hamann's motives?  <:^0

Jetzinger's work continues to inspire. In 2007, the BBC Radio 4 broadcast a radio play titled Dr Freud Will See You Now, Mr Hitler, a largely counter-factual work written by a pair of established Jewish screenwriters who freely credit Hitler's Youth for the factual basis which launched their enterprise a decade earlier.  <:^0

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Like in Weimer Germany... the media today is just a nest of Jews and Fags:

QuoteThe Truth About Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, the ObamaCare Conspiracy, and the Pope's Pink Brigade of Perverts:

The Stunning facts of Judge Roberts' membership in the infamous Vatican secret society, the Knights of Malta. Roberts is also outed as a liberal ideologue and longtime champion of the Gay Community. Did President George W. Bush and his homosexual confidant, Karl Rove, know of this when they chose Roberts for the Supreme Court? Also, exposure of CNN Anderson Cooper as a homosexual and of country music entertainer Carrie Underwood as a homosexual advocate.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Jetzinger
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#73
July 21, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"2. The Brownshirts were all Homos? (not true, but you seem to be really interested in this for some reason  :think:  ???)

I think I know what you are insinuating here, CSR, and I am disappointed in you. I would expect such infantile remarks from someone like Yo Mama but not you.

Quote3. Hirschfeld a Commie, Faggot Jew was a reliable source to testify on Hitler and his writings should be considered as reliable sources? (a joke)

No, it's just yet another of many pieces showing that the Nazis were part of a Hegelian Dialectic, guided by Jews.

Quote4. Nazis were thugs that generally imprisoned people that "criticized" them. (Yeah, mostly true).
5. Catholic Priests were singled out for persecution by the Nazis-Hitler. (Not really, but celibate Priests didn't help the birth rate and it is generally a fact that a small number of them are probably homo in nature. It is not natural to be celibate. )

Again, CSR, I doubt you'd be such a Hitler apologist had your autistic children been euthanized by the Nazis. But since it never happened to you, that makes everything OK, right? Are you completely lacking empathy, CSR?

Quote6. Theodore Herzl penned Mein Kampf.  (  :lol:  Well, if you must, I don't think so. There's a lot of evidence that it was edited by several people. Hitler was in jail and likely wrote it.)
7. Hitler was a co-opted secret agent of the _________.  Fill in the blank. (Queen, Bankers, Jews, Zionists, Illuminati, NWO, Alex Jonesteins, Lizard People)

Being disingenous, CSR. You know that the prominent accusation against Hitler is that he was helping the Jews. And there is no way in hell you can deny that without Hitler, the modern state of Israel would never have come into being.
Quote8. Hitler followed the Jew script to get the Jews out of Europe and into "Palestine".  (Sounds like the crap from any number of Jews (Makow,etc.) and overrides the Protocols and the Bolshevik revolution. )
9. Hitler was financed by Jews? (Well if you must believe. Not true though.)

I think the Nazi lack of autarky has been amply demonstrated throughout this forum. You just choose to ignore and/or dismiss it. That is your problem.
Quote10. Hitler and the Nazis were Pagan. (No, they had Catholic and Protestant Priests as Chaplains in the Wehrmacht.)

No, occultic. Even you know that the Swastika is an occult symbol.
Quote11. Hitler was a Masonic-Secret Vril stooge. (No, Hitler was a politician first and foremost. Most Nazis saw opportunity in the rise to power.)
12. Most Nazis were Secret Cryptos. (No, ThirdEyeWise's undocumented crap not withstanding. Most Nazis were Germans and Christians - not 1/2 Jews or something like that.)
13. Okay... this one is yours Tim... #13 whooo....with secret bugaboo....  :)
14. E.Michael Jones doesn't make a clear point about Homos in Germany. Hitler and the Nazis supported Jew degeneracy or they didn't? Which is it?  He's trying to hide something -- namely that the Catholic Church in Germany failed to stop Jew degeneracy like they are failing to stop it in the US/Canada/England/Europe today.  What's the difference? These countries have Jews in large number today and the Church is losing members. But eventually most people get sick of Jew encroaching with Homo degeneracy -- there's something instinctive to resist it in culture and the wider society -- and the corruption is continually pushed by the J-Team in print, law, film and stories. It is shameful and sick and should not be "celebrated".  Hiter and the Nazis' laws on this were simply "Germany's" laws -- a ban was under the Kaiser? Right? Just turn the clock back 30 years and the "degeneracy" ban is still in place.-- no big deal.  Basically, the Church failed to stop Jew-Weimer corruption, but Hitler stopped it "Volte-face".  E.Michael Jones looks like Church apologia on this one.

And where is your church apologia? Aren't you a Christian, CSR?    
QuoteList them Tim I'm sure you could make a million of them related to secret "decoder ring" Illuminati or some kind of Homo-Pervert club. I'm tending not to believe a lot of people like Myron Fagan and other Jews who comment on Hitler.  Most of their work that hits against the Jews is generally believable since they often state the obvious -- but Myron Fagan talking about "Stalin not wanting WWII" is patently false considering evidence after the fall of the Soviet Union.  So, Jew blab bout Hitler, or even blab about him from his enemies,  sounds like it is pulled from thin air for simple Propaganda. I don't "bow" to a picture of Hitler, but I do think he was German, and wanted to save German people from general corrupting Jewish B.S. (Bolshevism, Sexology, Perversions, Weimer Corruption, Treaty of Versailles that required "payments", importation of Blacks into Germany by France, Jew wars, economic decline,  general Jew crimes, etc. like America today.) .  In other words -- Hitler and the NSDAP was Genuine, unapologetic Opposition to the J-Team. They fought them in the streets in the 1920s,  there's no mystery to it.

So anyone who doesn't support Nazism is a Jew, or Jew controlled?      

QuoteAt the end of the day, whether you like him or not or whether you think he was compromised or not, IMHO... Hitler and NSDAP were actually and genuine opposition to the J-Tribe. Western Europe was saved by Hitler just by turning against the dagger  known as "Ice-Breaker" according to Viktor Suvarov.  Hitler stopped Jew corruption in Germany from 1933-1945. Before that and after that is an open book for Jews apologists and opinionmakers to pen their lies about Germany and Germans (or R1a-R1b-I Haplotypes-Aryans-Western Germanic peoples).  

Hitler stopped some Jew corruption; however, it was a means to an end. This plain fact should be seen easily by those with open eyes.
QuoteTim you are starting to sound like Franz Jetzinger. But his work is definitely J-Tribe promoted. Quick note on this... Hitler never wanted to join the Austrian Army but instead the German one according to Kubizek:


Like in Weimer Germany... the media today is just a nest of Jews and Fags:

Do you honestly think that Germany would have embraced Hitler had they not been so disgusted with sexual liberation in the Weimar Republic? And who brought that sexual liberation to prominence? Yeah, Jews. Stop acting like Hitler was accepted by the people based on his own merits. And that's exactly the point E. Michael Jones makes in his book Libido Dominandi. I quoted a mere couple of pages from the 600-plus page book.
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Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#74
July 21, 2012, 05:36:08 PM
Was Hitler Homosexual? [The Hidden Fuhrer - Debating the Enigma of Hitler's Sexuality]

[youtube:2lflu22g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fMwOzVIYbg[/youtube]2lflu22g]
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CrackSmokeRepublican

#75
July 22, 2012, 05:00:04 AM
Tim, seriously, whenever the "Brownshirts" or early NSDAP party is mentioned... a couple of people on TIU immediately reach for the "Hitler was a Homo" or the "Brownshirts were Homo" articles.  And if that doesn't work they reach for him being some kind of pervert or part Jewish or just something.  Overall, it is a weak rationalization of what the Nazis' stood for.  Most "right-wing" organizations that looked back respectfully on the monarchy were anti-Weimer/anti-Bolshevik/anti-Jew Free love (not just Homos).
For some reason a lot of people who I generally think find worthwhile material just go overboard with really weak evidence or simply list some Jew's musings about Hitler's sexuality... or they get somebody that Hitler kicked out of the NSDAP party to bad mouth it.  It's like a broken record.  And it gets me wondering really "why?".  Why is there such a need to lean on flimsy evidence that Hitler was "gay".  Historians like Richard Evans who has considerable source evidence of the early Nazis doesn't mention it.  Veronica Clark who has considerable research and evidence doesn't present it. Not like she is covering up either--- IT JUST ISN'T THERE.   It's like it is either one character attack or another ( 1. Hitler was a secret Jew  ... or... 2. Hitler was a secret Homo .... or ..... 3. Hitler was a Rothschild Agent..... or .....4. Hitler was a British Agent....ad naseum.).   Hitler was not "nice" to people with health troubles or those who sabotaged his and the NSDAP's message.  Over a Million Germans starved to death during the British blockade after WWI, that tends to make people a bit ruthless and survivalist, and non-Christian oriented.

SO, REMEMBER, IT IS NOT THERE.  THE EVIDENCE IS NOT THERE unless....... you listen to Homo Jews like the guy who blabs along in your little favorite History Channel film.  
So... get over it Tim.   Hitler was kicking ass and taking names. And I stress "kicking" only.  Basically, I don't want to see TIU trying to get caught up in portraying Hitler and the Nazis as anything but pissed off Nationalists that pretty much "made it up" as they went along.  Sure they were pissed off about the "homos" as per E.Michael Jones but it is a not true that that was the only thing that attracted people to the Nazis.  They had a pretty dynamic party and a message that appealed to particularly rural regions, and the youth, and those that got bankrupted by the Jews in the 1920s and then re-bankrupted by the collapse of the Credit-Anstalt bank in Austria which then caused a new Global financial crisis. If that bank didn't fail, the Nazis probably never would have made it in power -- and most of the Jews didn't want the bank to fail.   The NSDAP became more and more popular as the "CASH FLOW DRIED UP" in Germany after the bank failures.  If you look around the world it is not unusual to find "Nationalist" dictators in Asia, E. Europe or S. America who were just like Hitler before, during and after WWII.  And they weren't nice guys either.  They killed 100,000s of Communists or suspected Communists often indiscriminately.  I blame the criminal J-tribe for all of that... not Hitler.  If it wasn't for Communist Jew propaganda churned out of Moscow/Beijing via field agents, none of these movements would have taken off except maybe for Vietnam.  

So again, face it, Hitler though nominally "Christian" was true Opposition.  The Catholic Church despite itself and it's own sufferings in Germany under Bismarck wasn't. Don't dig the old "Hegelian Dialectic" or "Theosophy" or some other crappy, mystical fantasy. It isn't there.  Hitler fought the sons of B*tches like Patton was going to after the war.  So don't start talking about Patton being "faggy" or something like that. I don't really see much difference between Hitler and George S. Patton once they both woke up to the problem -- you don't need to see the Jew crap first hand to infinity to know a massive rip-off is occurring right before your eyes. For most Western men of principle, it grits the teeth hard in anger. I know you are woken up to it. Don't just plug this because you find some Jew written crap on Hitler -- must of it is crap and doesn't stand up. People do "wake up" to the facts.          

The Jews didn't need Hitler to create Israel, they needed Stalin, America, Jew gangsters like Lansky, and British Israeli sayanim to do it. If it came into existence in the 1930s it would have lead England to have to "liberate" other "Palestines" all over the Globe. If Hitler had defeated Britain, Israel would not have been created by Jew puppets in Washington, DC and London.  Stalin was game for an Israeli state until he realized it would re-awaken the "nationalism" of all kinds of people in the Soviet Empire.  Three Empires defeated Germany and Japan... all controlled by Jews. If Hitler had won, Jew control (especially Banking and media) would have been broken in many areas.  Don't swallow the Jew B.S. about Hitler with a big spoon, it is still their same old crap (homo, Jew, pervert, agent, etc.)  packaged as new delicious and satisfying cake.    

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Lothar Machtan, Ph.D (born 4 October 1949) is a German historian, writer, as well as Professor of Modern and Current History at the University of Bremen.

Early life

 <$> Born to a Jewish family in Gelsenkirchen  :^) , he earned a PhD in 1978 and became a university professor in 1989.   <:^0

Career

For 30 years, Machtan has researched German history, politics, and socioeconomics. His writings have been featured in newspapers and magazines such as Der Spiegel as well as radio broadcasts.[1]   <:^0

He has been a guest lecturer at international conferences and symposia and a consultant for German feature films such as Varzin - Warcino - An Uncomfortable Legacy. In the United States, he was a featured guest on NBC's The Today Show and The Early Show on CBS. The author of several books and numerous publications on the social and political history of the 19th and 20th centuries, in 1998 Professor Machtan published the acclaimed Bismarcks Tod und Deutschlands Tränen (Bismarck's Death and Germany's Tears).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_Machtan
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#76
July 22, 2012, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"Tim, seriously, whenever the "Brownshirts" or early NSDAP party is mentioned... a couple of people on TIU immediately reach for the "Hitler was a Homo" or the "Brownshirts were Homo" articles. And if that doesn't work they reach for him being some kind of pervert or part Jewish or just something. Overall, it is a weak rationalization of what the Nazis' stood for. Most "right-wing" organizations that looked back respectfully on the monarchy were anti-Weimer/anti-Bolshevik/anti-Jew Free love (not just Homos).
For some reason a lot of people who I generally think find worthwhile material just go overboard with really weak evidence or simply list some Jew's musings about Hitler's sexuality... or they get somebody that Hitler kicked out of the NSDAP party to bad mouth it. It's like a broken record. And it gets me wondering really "why?". Why is there such a need to lean on flimsy evidence that Hitler was "gay". Historians like Richard Evans who has considerable source evidence of the early Nazis doesn't mention it. Veronica Clark who has considerable research and evidence doesn't present it. Not like she is covering up either--- IT JUST ISN'T THERE. It's like it is either one character attack or another ( 1. Hitler was a secret Jew ... or... 2. Hitler was a secret Homo .... or ..... 3. Hitler was a Rothschild Agent..... or .....4. Hitler was a British Agent....ad naseum.). Hitler was not "nice" to people with health troubles or those who sabotaged his and the NSDAP's message. Over a Million Germans starved to death during the British blockade after WWI, that tends to make people a bit ruthless and survivalist, and non-Christian oriented...

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Lothar Machtan, Ph.D (born 4 October 1949) is a German historian, writer, as well as Professor of Modern and Current History at the University of Bremen.

Early life

 <$> Born to a Jewish family in Gelsenkirchen  :^) , he earned a PhD in 1978 and became a university professor in 1989.   <:^0

Career

For 30 years, Machtan has researched German history, politics, and socioeconomics. His writings have been featured in newspapers and magazines such as Der Spiegel as well as radio broadcasts.[1]   <:^0

He has been a guest lecturer at international conferences and symposia and a consultant for German feature films such as Varzin - Warcino - An Uncomfortable Legacy. In the United States, he was a featured guest on NBC's The Today Show and The Early Show on CBS. The author of several books and numerous publications on the social and political history of the 19th and 20th centuries, in 1998 Professor Machtan published the acclaimed Bismarcks Tod und Deutschlands Tränen (Bismarck's Death and Germany's Tears).[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_Machtan

I'll confess that the evidence of Hitler's alleged homosexuality is inconclusive, but if it were true, it makes more sense that the Jews would suppress this knowledge rather than spread it around. The homosexual lobby is crucial to the Jews "olam ha ba", and linking it with the villified Nazis is counterproductive.

But another thing you need to consider, CSR, the highly nationalized ancient Greeks were predominately queers. Seems that national movements have a history of degenerating into sexual immorality. And like the Nazis, the Greeks also carried out infanticide, eugenics, and practiced racial supremacism. And like the Greeks, the Nazis are accused of the same sexual immorality, be it homosexuality, pederasty, etc.

I disagree with your accusation that the gay charge against Hitler is grasping at straws. Sexual liberation has been key to the Judeo-Masonic construct since at least the 18th century. Blackmail and guiding leaders by their sexual passions is the epitome of political control from the hidden hand. How did the Mossad bring down the Clinton Administration? Through Lewinsky and Clinton's sexual frailties. How did the Jews control Bush? Through his homosexuality.
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mgt23

#77
July 22, 2012, 02:07:40 PM Last Edit: July 22, 2012, 02:56:41 PM by mgt23
QuoteI disagree with your accusation that the gay charge against Hitler is grasping at straws. Sexual liberation has been key to the Judeo-Masonic construct since at least the 18th century. Blackmail and guiding leaders by their sexual passions is the epitome of political control from the hidden hand. How did the Mossad bring down the Clinton Administration? Through Lewinsky and Clinton's sexual frailties. How did the Jews control Bush? Through his homosexuality.

.........show me a leader that wasn't sexually compromised.
.........the whole point of honeypots is to try and compromise. Fuck the Jew Lilith she is a twat, coward and doesn't like techno.

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#78
July 22, 2012, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: "mgt23"
QuoteI disagree with your accusation that the gay charge against Hitler is grasping at straws. Sexual liberation has been key to the Judeo-Masonic construct since at least the 18th century. Blackmail and guiding leaders by their sexual passions is the epitome of political control from the hidden hand. How did the Mossad bring down the Clinton Administration? Through Lewinsky and Clinton's sexual frailties. How did the Jews control Bush? Through his homosexuality.

.........show me a leader that wasn't sexually compromised.
.........the whole point of honeypots is to try and compromise. Fuck the jew lillith she is a twat.


Indeed. And under that assumption, it makes more sense now why Hitler and the Nazis were so adamant at destroying their records.
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#79
August 07, 2012, 12:59:11 AM
The real reason for the Nazi sacking of Hirschfeld's Institute for Sex Research

QuoteOn May 6, 1933, Nemesis arrived at the doors of the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft wearing a brown uniform. Magnus Hirschfeld was not there to receive him; he watched the newsreel version of the Nazi's sacking of the institute and subsequent "book burning" from the relative security of a movie theatre in France. Erwin Hanse, the "sturdy Communist" who used to beat Karl Giese to fulfill his masochistic needs, was at the Institute when the Nazis arrived early in the morning. Since the arrival of truck-loads of Nazi students was accompanied by the playing of a brass band, in keeping with Hitler's penchant for public theatre. Hansen went down to open the door for the invading army, but the Nazis youth decided to break it down anyway.

Isherwood, who describes the raiding of the Institute in his memoir, was struck by the fact that the Nazis seemed to know what they were looking for. The point of the raid was not so much the destruction of Hirschfeld's institute and his dirty pictures but rather the removal of the incriminating evidence which had accumulated at the institute, documenting the homosexual behaviour of leading Nazis. Ernst Roehm, in this regard, was a prime suspect, as Hirschfeld had mentioned in his already cited letter. Roehm would eventually pay the price for his homosexuality as well, when, a year later, he and his homosexual friends were gunned down in a German resort by SS men carrying out Hitler's orders.... Karl Giese, on the other hand, was not so fortunate.  He escaped to France with much of the Hirschfeld archival material, only to commit suicide there in 1938. The archival material, however, did not remain in France. It ended up at the Kinsey Institute in Bloomington, Indiana.

—E. Michael Jones, Libido Dominadi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control
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CrackSmokeRepublican

#80
August 08, 2012, 02:21:33 AM
Michael E. Jones should know better. This was before the "Long Knives" in 1934.  Hitler was still covering up the number of "fag" SA members, particularly Rohm up until he was killed in the purge.  While I'm suspicious of this author's works overall on the Nazis', it does look like this part was on target. Hirschfeld's supposed "blackmail" had little to do with this... he was recognized early on as a "degenerate":

QuoteThe beginning of the Nazi terror against homosexuals was marked by the murder of Ernst Rohm on June 30, 1934: "the Night of the Long Knives. "Rohm was the man who, in 1919, first made Hitler aware of his own political potential, and the two were close friends for fifteen years. During that time, Rohm rose to SA Chief of Staff, transforming the Brownshirt militia from a handful of hardened goons and embittered ex-soldiers into an effective fighting force five hundred thousand strong -- the instrument of Nazi terror. Hitler needed Rohm's military skill and could rely on his personal loyalty, but he was ultimately a pragmatist. As part of a compromise with the Reichwehr (regular army) leadership, whose support he needed to become Fuhrer, Hitler allowed Goring and Himmler to murder Rohm along with dozens of Rohm's loyal officers.

For public relations purposes, and especially to quell the outrage felt throughout the ranks of the SA, Hitler justified his blatent power play by pointing to Rohm's homosexuality. Hitler, of course, had known of Rohm's homosexuality since 1919. amd it became public knowledge in 1925, when Rohm appeared in court to charge a hustler with theft. All this while the Nazi Party had a virulently anti-gay policy, and many Nazis protested that Rohm was discrediting the entire Party and should be purged. Hitler, however, was quite willing to cover up for him for years -- until he stood in the way of larger plans.
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The Nazi Party came to power in 1933, and a year later Rohm was dead. While Rohm and his men were being rounded up for the massacre (offered a gun and the opportunity to shoot himself, Rohm retorted angrily: "Let Hitler do his own dirty work"), the new Chief of Staff received his first order from the Fuhrer: "I expect all SA leaders to help preserve and strengthen the SA in its capacity as a pure and cleanly institution. In particular, I should like every mother to be able to allow her son to join the SA, Party, and Hitler Youth without fear that he may become morally corrupted in their ranks. I therefore request all SA commanders to take the utmost pains to ensure that offences under Paragraph 175 are met by immediate expulsion of the culprit from the SA and the Party."

Hitler had good reason to be concerned about the reputation of Nazi organizations, most of which were based on strict segregation of the sexes. Hitler Youth, for example, was disparagingly referred to as Homo Youth throughout the Third Reich, a characterization which the Nazi leadership vainly struggled to eliminate. Indeed, most of the handful of publications on homosexuality which appeared during the Fascist regime were devoted to new and rather bizarre methods of "detection" and "prevention."

QuoteRudolf Diels, the founder of the Gestapo, recorded some of Hitler's personal thoughts on the subject: "He lectured me on the role of homosexuality in history and politics. It had destroyed ancient Greece, he said. Once rife, it extended its contagious effects like an ineluctable law of nature to the best and most manly of characters, eliminating from the reproductive process precisely those men on whose offspring a nation depended. The immediate result of the vice was, however, that unnatural passion swiftly became dominant in public affairs if it were allowed to spread unchecked."
(Yep... --CSR)

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The tone had been set by the Rohm putsch, and on its first anniversary -- June 28, 1935, the campaign against homosexuality was escalated by the introduction of the "Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour." Until 1935, the only punishable offence had been anal intercourse; under the new Paragraph 175a, ten possible "acts" were punishable, including a kiss, an embrace, even homosexual fantasies! One man, for instance, was successfully prosecuted on the grounds that he had observed a couple making love in a park and watched only the man.

Under the Nazi system, criminal acts were less important in determining guilt than criminal intent. The "phenomenological" theory of justice claimed to evaluate a person's character rather than his deeds. The "healthy sensibility of the people" (gesundes Volksempfinden) was elevated to the highest normative legal concept, and the Nazis were in a position to prosecute an individual solely on the grounds of his sexual orientation. (After World War II, incidentally, this law was immediately struck from the books in East Germany as a product of Fascist thinking, while it remained on the books in West Germany.)

Once Paragraph 175a was in effect, the annual number of convictions on charges of homosexuality leaped to about ten times the number in the pre-Nazi period. The law was so loosely formulated that it could be -- and was -- applied against heterosexuals whom the Nazis wanted to eliminate. The most notorious example of an individual convicted on trumped-up charges was General Werner von Fritsch, Army Chief of Staff; and the law was also used repeatedly against members of the Catholic clergy. But the law was undoubtedly used primarily against gay people, and the court system was aided in the witchhunt by the entire German populace, which was encouraged to scrutinize the behaviour of neighbours and to denounce suspects to the Gestapo. The number of men convicted of homosexuality during the Nazi period totaled around fifty thousand.

The Gestapo was the agent of the next escalation of the campaign against homosexuality. Ex-chicken farmer Heinrich Himmler, Reichsfuhrer SS and head of the Gestapo, richly deserves a reputation as the most fanatically homophobic member of the Nazi leadership. In 1936, he gave a speech on the subject of homosexuality and described the murder of Ernst Rohm (which he had engineered) in these terms: "Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own ranks." Himmler closed with these words: "Just as we today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different races, so too in our judgement of homosexuality -- a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race -- we must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates."

A few months earlier, Himmler had prepared for action by reorganizing the entire state police into three divisions. The political executive, Division II, was directly responsible for the control of "illegal parties and organizations, leagues and economic groups, reactionaries and the Church, freemasonry, and homosexuality."

Himmler personally favoured the immediate "extermination of degenerates," but he was empowered to order the summary execution only of homosexuals discovered within his own bureaucratic domain. Civilian offenders were merely required to serve out their prison sentences (although second offenders were subject to castration).

In 1936, Himmler found a way around this obstacle. Following release from prison, all "enemies of the state" -- including homosexuals -- were to be taken into protective custody and detained indefinitely. "Protective custody" (Schutzhaft) was an euphemism for concentration camp internment. Himmler gave special orders that homosexuals be placed in Level Three camps -- the human death mills described by Neudegg. These camps were reserved for Jews and homosexuals.

The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, announced in 1937 that there were two million German homosexuals and called for their death. The extent to which Himmler succeeded in this undertaking is unknown, but the number of homosexuals sent to camps was far in excess of the fifty thousand who served jail sentences. The Gestapo dispatched thousands to camps without a trial. Moreover, "protective custody" was enforced retroactively, so that any gay who had ever come to the attention of the police prior to the Third Reich was subject to immediate arrest. (The Berlin police alone had an index of more than twenty thousand homosexuals prior to the Nazi takeover.) And starting in 193 9, gays from Nazi-occupied countries were also interned in German camps.

The chances for survival in a Level Three camp were low indeed. Homosexuals were distinguished from other prisoners by a pink triangle, worn on the left side of the jacket and on the right pant leg. There was no possibility of "passing" for straight, and the presence of "marked men" in the all-male camp population evoked the same reaction as in contemporary prisons: gays were brutally assaulted and sexually abused.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/steakley-nazis.asp

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I can only reiterate this point:


QuoteThe Jews didn't need Hitler to create Israel, they needed Stalin, America, Jew gangsters like Lansky, and British Israeli sayanim to do it. If it came into existence in the 1930s it would have led England to have to "liberate" other "Palestines" all over the Globe. If Hitler had defeated Britain, Israel would not have been created by Jew puppets in Washington, DC and London. Stalin was game for an Israeli state until he realized it would re-awaken the "nationalism" of all kinds of people in the Soviet Empire. Three Empires defeated Germany and Japan... all controlled by Jews. If Hitler had won, Jew control (especially Banking and media) would have been broken in many areas. Don't swallow the Jew B.S. about Hitler with a big spoon, it is still their same old crap (homo, Jew, pervert, agent, etc.) packaged as new delicious and satisfying cake.

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Here are the Jew Fags Isherwood and Karl Giese being "cute" that Michael E. Jones cited...:sick:  Jones should know better than to trust Jew perverts writings on the Nazis' ....  dig all you want Tim and Mgt23, you will find with careful observation that it just isn't there. (Unless there is some authoritative source existing which is unknown by most mainstream historians. I don't think it is there though. Most of it is rehashed, yet discredited "Pink Triangle" Homo-Jew crap... not worth serious consideration.  --CSR)  

Quote(1898 - 1938)

Institute archivist

Giese met Hirschfeld around 1920 and became his friend and student. In the inner circles at the Institute, Giese was considered Hirschfeld's "foster son" and "woman of the house".

Giese resided at the Institute with Hirschfeld, served as his secretary, held lectures, gave tours, and was head of the Institute archives.

His living room became a meeting place for young homosexual men. Here, it was possible for them to meet undisturbed and undisguised; among them were archaeologist Francis Turville-Petre, who resided at the Institute, and English writer Christopher Isherwood, who based many of the characters in his novels on men he met there.

This "dedicated, earnest, intelligent campaigner for sexual freedom had an extraordinary innocence. ... " reminisced Isherwood about Karl Giese, "Christopher saw in him the sturdy peasant youth with a girl's heart, who long ago had fallen in love with Hirschfeld, his father-image. Karl still referred to Hirschfeld as 'Papa.'"   :sick: (In Nazi Germany there was no allowance for "pervert Jew fags" or  a "some kind of 'Jew'Bama' granting them rights" -- No, the Weimer Jews were the only idiots that granted Homos anything before the arrival of Nazi Germany.  Yeah, the Nazis' were not nice and severe, but it was a good time to have kids... --CSR).


After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#81
August 09, 2012, 04:15:10 AM
CSR, were the Nazis immune to sexual immorality?
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CrackSmokeRepublican

#82
August 10, 2012, 02:31:18 AM
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"CSR, were the Nazis immune to sexual immorality?

From the sources I've seen, it appears that most in power were not too different than what they were before gaining power. Goebbels is a typical example. He seduced women occasionally during his early days as a Brownshirt and then later as a Nazi, but then after rising to full power, he became something of a playboy with several famous "starlets" including an affair with a famous Czech starlet.  

As for the other the Nazis leaders, they were no different in many ways before power and after gaining power. Some were scandal prone and hid secrets but most were not.  Keep in mind that during Weimer Germany, sexual immorality grew more common throughout society during the hyper-inflation as society brokedown.   In the early days, the SA-Brownshirts had a few "immoral" lower SA leaders and SA members like Rohm, but it was much better actually than who they fought -- since the Communist party in comparison was stock full of openly "Faggoty" top leaders which promoted sexual immorality as a part of their Jew-Bolshevik "platform". The Bolsheviks took power for awhile in Bavaria. A lot of people were shot and raped then by Jew-Communists. A good book with telling detail on all of this "The Coming of the Third Reich" by Richard Evans.  It pulls no punches.  Without Hitler and the Nazis' coming to power and systematically removing -- root and branch -- the Jew promoted Bolshevik social corruptions, Jew promoted Dance Halls,  and general "faggotry" of the Democratic Weimer era--  it all would have likely continued...like it does today in the USA.  There really is no mystery about it, though people died and it was overall most tragic.  Immune no,  but what don't you want to see in all of this as fact? Wake up and realize it. It was passage of the laws, along with some bloody examples, that tended to "stop" the Jew induced moral chaos.  Bolshevik Hungary in the 1920s or even Romania had similar outcomes as Germany. This has been talked about for years.

Jew'bama is no different than Wiemar Germany.
The trashing of America is no different... if Jews gradually make the laws and just let it all happen? no? in 1920s Russia...in 1920s Hungary...in Romania...in 1930s Eastern Europe, and then, 1980s America... I don't know how "child" simple you needed it at this point, Tim.  Evan's book in .pdf or just plain text is a good read.  Oh, I forgot about Belgium and Spain stopping it.  I mean...like at this point ...was Franco "sexually immoral"? Or , did he just stop the  rapes by starting the right-wing counter-revolution out of sheer disgust.
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#83
August 10, 2012, 10:51:41 AM
Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"CSR, were the Nazis immune to sexual immorality?

From the sources I've seen, it appears that most in power were not too different than what they were before gaining power. Goebbels is a typical example. He seduced women occasionally during his early days as a Brownshirt and then later as a Nazi, but then after rising to full power, he became something of a playboy with several famous "starlets" including an affair with a famous Czech starlet.  

As for the other the Nazis leaders, they were no different in many ways before power and after gaining power. Some were scandal prone and hid secrets but most were not.  Keep in mind that during Weimer Germany, sexual immorality grew more common throughout society during the hyper-inflation as society brokedown.   In the early days, the SA-Brownshirts had a few "immoral" lower SA leaders and SA members like Rohm, but it was much better actually than who they fought -- since the Communist party in comparison which was stock full of openly "Faggoty" top leaders which promoted sexual immorality as a part of their Jew-Bolshevik "platform". That took power for awhile in Bavaria. A lot of people were shot and raped then by Jew-Communists. A good book with telling detail on all of this "The Coming of the Third Reich" by Richard Evans.  It pulls no punches.  Without Hitler and the Nazis' coming to power and systematically removing -- root and branch -- the Jew promoted Bolshevik social corruptions.

Actually, when Lenin died, the Bolsheviks reversed their sexual liberation policies, having seen the unfruitful results that led to utter anarchy. With Stalin came stricter social controls, and this had nothing to do with fear of a Nazi invasion.

But thanks, CSR, for evading my simple question.
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Michael K.

#84
August 10, 2012, 09:14:10 PM
CSR and Tim,

If I may bother you to add my two cents as a friend to both, I think that CSR's answer to the question was a good answer and used lots of examples.  I understand, Tim, that you are arguing not about the examples, but that CSR dodges a philosophical question.  And it is a philosophical comment that I will make: The Nazis are misunderstood like no other group because the 'victor's justice' version of the 20th century explains every evil thing that happened as somehow the result of right-wing evil, or more accurately, "the disease of nationalism."

Look at the article I posted:

viewtopic.php?f=38&p=67238&sid=776ad2428c17eb7a5ee416ddcaf33f39#p67238

This article represents the almost "otherwordly" failure of the doctrinaire left to even accurately describe their opponents, much less articulate their arguments.  The kike vision resembles the worst type of prejudice, comparable to the PC vision of antisemitism, or prejudice against all blacks.  The "other" is an abstract collage of negative caricatures, a mask that lets the bigot consider it righteous not to have any real human feelings toward it.  All hatred and evil tends to reduce fellow men to an inhuman "other."

Nobody is immune to any evil, especially not those whom fate entrusts with the power of life and death over others.  The ring of power corrupts its holder and turns him into the expendable slave of the devil.  The Jews hold too much real power, and have for millennia, that is their greatest secret and most guarded mystery.  It has corrupted them shockingly, and that is the other big secret they don't want examined.  

But every contestant for the ring of power gets twisted into its evil image, no matter how practical or right their initial motive for seeking power, to right some wrong or drive back evil from one's shores, etc.  That image invariably finds more than one outward expression in terms of sexual orientation, cultural preferences, and individual vanity.  But coldness and domination are the common denominator, a total lack of empathy for the random individual.

It should be a warning to us all, that when we must wield power for reasons of inescapable responsibility, let us do so with continual caution towards that spiritual enemy who wants to tempt us and steal our immortal souls, that he will make you an 'offer you can't refuse' no matter whether you are an atheist, a Jew or a Christian, when you have ever wielded enough power to matter.  

There is no unassailable position, and at times every man thinks himself right in his own eyes when he is actually deluded.  In short, let's always keep one eye on the holiness of Heaven and Jesus Christ, even while the other is on the enemy or opponent; unless we try to gain the whole world (to us as individuals, our "lives") in one moment, at the cost of our souls.

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ada

#85
August 20, 2012, 04:51:35 PM
More Real History Revealed: The Hitler Files
As a real student of truthful history, and not the utter rubbish taught in our failed education system that only brainwashes people with pure crap, I am always searching for the answers to many of the questions from history that many people have asked, and are now asking today more and more thanks to the ability to research our true history via the internet!

I came across a most revealing article just yesterday, and wanted to have it posted as soon as possible for my own readers to view for themselves.  It comes from author Kevin John Field, through the Truthseeker website, at www.thetruthseeker.co.uk, and is entitled: "The Hitler Files".   It is a definite must read by everyone, and reveals some truths about Adolf Hitler himself.    I have some important comments and some of my own thoughts to follow:

http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.de/ ... files.html

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#86
August 27, 2012, 12:54:33 AM
Your excuses don't hold much water, CSR. The Jews have little, if anything, to benefit by endorsing the claim that Hitler and leading Nazis were homosexuals. For one, the homosexual agenda (and sexual liberation) is a Jewish endeavour. By likening Nazi Fascism to homosexuality is counter-productive to the long-term goals of the sexual liberation movement. And it flies in the face of Jewish-Freudian theory that repressed sexuality leads to authoritarian behaviour. If the Nazis were revealed to be homosexuals, from where did their authoritarian behaviour come? It doesn't work, CSR. It just doesn't work. If it is true that Hitler and the Nazis were fags, the Jews have more motive to suppress that information. And they would definitely have that information if it were true; the Jews have control over the Kinsey Institute for Sex Research, where the Nazi sex files are alleged to be locked away.

Try again, CSR.
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CrackSmokeRepublican

#87
August 27, 2012, 03:28:57 AM
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"Your excuses don't hold much water, CSR. The Jews have little, if anything, to benefit by endorsing the claim that Hitler and leading Nazis were homosexuals. For one, the homosexual agenda (and sexual liberation) is a Jewish endeavour. By likening Nazi Fascism to homosexuality is counter-productive to the long-term goals of the sexual liberation movement. And it flies in the face of Jewish-Freudian theory that repressed sexuality leads to authoritarian behaviour. If the Nazis were revealed to be homosexuals, from where did their authoritarian behaviour come? It doesn't work, CSR. It just doesn't work. If it is true that Hitler and the Nazis were fags, the Jews have more motive to suppress that information. And they would definitely have that information if it were true; the Jews have control over the Kinsey Institute for Sex Research, where the Nazi sex files are alleged to be locked away.

Try again, CSR.

Tim, I'm not going to respond only because you obviously don't read history but prefer reading material from ex-cons locked in their basements like Springmeier. Again, Jews created the Homo-Agenda-Porn-Free Love-Weirdness-Prostitution-etc seen in Weimer Germany and the USA today.  The NSDAP shut this down when they came to power.  

So, ask yourself, is Las Vegas run by a lot Nazis? No. It is run by Jews. There are no "Excuses" here Tim, only documented facts.  Again, the leading researchers on Hitler and the NSDAP fully concur that Hitler and the NSDAP did not promote sexual deviancy in Nazi Germany -- and Hitler was not a sexual deviant by all reasonable accounts from historians. When you are facing Bolshevik attacks and facing hyper-inflation, and see the Weimer Democracy sitting lamely doing nothing, along with the Catholic Church sitting lamely and doing nothing, a need for "order" arises in times of chronic disorder.  The NSDAP was a group of people pissed off and looking to fight against the bankruptcies, dissolution, economic chaos, social decay, communism, Jew hypocrisy, etc.  From your input on this thread, you seem to think that the Germany would have gotten along better without the NSDAP and Hitler?   Think about that.  Germany  would have gotten better without Hitler --  like America has gotten better and better? Right?   You are the one looking for some kind of "homo-badge" to put on Hitler. Yeah there were a few fags in the Brownshirts like Rohm, but Hitler removed them after the night of the long knives in 1934. I'm not going to put Hitler above Jesus Christ but I will say that Hitler did clean up Germany, not just morally, but in many ways and he did remove the Jews from power.  In Nazi Germany, there was no place like "Las Vegas" operating freely and legally letting Criminal Jews do what they were doing under the Weimer regime.        

Again, I trust historians such as Veronica Clark and their sources far more than yours -- some of which you cited earlier that turned out to be a total Jew Fag pushing the typical Jew agenda.  Authoritarian personality?  Whatever... that of course came from the Jew Frankfort school after they had fled Germany en-mass and migrated to US universities.  Kevin McDonald documented all of that.  I never heard him trying to tie Hitler with the sexual deviant Kinsey's who were just degenerates posing as "researchers"-- that some how became way over promoted.      

Maybe you should spend more time at David Icke's forum Tim. You seem to not want to give up secret decoder rings or Fritz Springmeier's books on the Nazis.  Again, you are looking for something that isn't there.  Do you want to start talking about Hitler and the Reptilians? Or secret Nazi underground UFO bases?  TIU is not about that Tim.  There is way more evidence that Hitler and the NSDAP were pissed off nationalists just trying to straighten things out -- and they weren't "nice" about any of it.  

Not a bad source to look at:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERnazi.htm


Here's a Socialist Attlee:
Quote(6) Clement Attlee, speech in the House of Commons (May 1940)

Successful violence bred more violence. Ruthless cruelty became rampant. We are now faced with the danger of the world relapsing into barbarism. Nazism is the outstanding menace to civilisation, not only because of the character and actions of the men who are in absolute control of a great nation, but because of their ideas which are openly in conflict with all the conceptions upon which civilised life is based. They do not accept as valuable the virtues which are in this country accepted as desirable by all, even by those who honour them with very little in their actions.

Our Western civilisation has been built up in the main on the acceptance of the moral standards of Christianity. Even those who find themselves unable to accept Christian dogma accept in the main its ethical standards. In our everyday intercourse we assume that most men are honest, truthful and kindly, and in general we are not disappointed. We do not expect that we shall be violently attacked or maltreated by our neighbours. This mutual confidence is the foundation of a civilised peaceful life.

At no time in history have these standards been fully maintained in the relations between States. There have always been those who have been prepared to put apparent national interests before moral principles, but they have done it shamefacedly. Bad faith, lying and injustice have often marked international relations, but it has been left to the German Government to make them its regular practice and to glory in them.

Similarly, there was formerly a definite world conscience which revolted against cruelty and atrocities. The wholesale murder of innocent men, women and children was regarded as the mark of a barbarous people. Where such things happened under professedly civilised government there was an outcry in all countries, including the one whose government was responsible for the outrage. One can recall instances in our own history, such as the Amritsar massacre. Today in Germany, Czechoslovakia and Poland the German Government is indulging in wholesale massacre and torture of unoffending people. It not only admits it, it glories in it. At home and abroad, brutal cruelty is the mark of the Nazi regime.

It is essential to remember that civilisation takes long to build and is easily destroyed. Brutality is infectious. But there is something more than these outward expressions of the return to barbarism in the Nazi regime. There is a denial of the value of the individual. Christianity affirms the value of each individual soul. Nazism denies it. The individual is sacrificed to the idol of the German Leader, German State or the German race. The ordinary citizen is allowed to hear and think only as the rulers decree.

And here's Attlee supporting the Communists in the Spanish Civil War:   <$>

QuoteWhen George Lansbury retired in 1935 Attlee became the new leader of the Labour Party. At that time the Conservative government feared the spread of communism from the Soviet Union to the rest of Europe. Stanley Baldwin, the British prime minister, shared this concern and was fairly sympathetic to the military uprising in Spain against the left-wing Popular Front government.

Leon Blum, the prime minister of the Popular Front government in France, initially agreed to send aircraft and artillery to help the Republican Army in Spain. However, after coming under pressure from Stanley Baldwin and Anthony Eden in Britain, and the more right-wing members of his own cabinet, he changed his mind.

In the House of Commons on 29th October 1936, Attlee, Philip Noel-Baker and Arthur Greenwood argued against the government policy of Non-Intervention. As Noel-Baker pointed out: "We protest with all our power against the sham, the hypocritical sham, that it now appears to be." During the Spanish Civil War he supported the British volunteers fighting against General Francisco Franco and visited the International Brigades on the front-line in December 1937.

In 1940 Attlee joined the coalition government headed by Winston Churchill. He was virtually deputy Prime Minister although this post did not formally become his until 1942. It was afterwards claimed that during the Second World War Attlee worked as a restraining influence on some of Churchill's more wilder schemes.

During the Second World War some some MPs believed that Herbert Morrison should replace Clement Attlee as leader of the Labour Party. The leader of the plot was his mistress, Ellen Wilkinson. A fellow Cabinet Minister, Hugh Dalton wrote in his diary on 28th October, 1942. "Ellen Wilkinson came to dine with me.... She is still a most devoted worshipper of Herbert Morrison, and puts me second. What she would like would be Morrison to lead the Party and me to be his deputy. She would like us two to go into the War Cabinet, putting out Attlee and Cripps. The difficulty about all such plans is that the right moment never arrives to put them into execution!" Emanuel Shinwell warned Attlee about this plot when he promoted Wilkinson to the post of Minister of Education: " I mentioned to Attlee that a number of plotters had been given jobs. He laughed, perfectly well aware of what had been going on. It is not bad tactics to make one's enemies one's servants."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/TUattlee.htm

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Not far from the World today if you really look at it:

Quote(1) Leaflet published by the National Socialist German Workers Party (1920)

There is a secret world conspiracy, which while speaking much about humanity and tolerance, in reality wants only to harness the people to a new yoke. A number of workers' leaders belong to this group. The leaders are big capitalists.

300 big bankers, financiers and press barons, who are interconnected across the world, are the real dictators. They belong almost exclusively to the "chosen people". They are all members of the same conspiracy.

The Jewish big capitalist always plays our friend and dogooder; but he only does it to make us into his slaves. The trusting worker is going to help him set up the world dictatorship of Jewry. Because that is their goal, as it states in the Bible. "All the peoples will serve you, all the wealth of the world will belong to you".

Shake off your Jewish leaders, and those in the pay of Judas! And one final point. Don't expect anything from Bolshevism. It doesn't bring the worker freedom. In Russia the eight-hour day has been abolished. There are no more workers' councils. All cower under the dictatorship of a hundred government commissars, who are nine-tenths Jewish.

Quote(3) Election leaflet published by the National Socialist German Workers Party (October, 1925)

The November revolution, the revolution of the Jews and the Marxist party-rabble have delivered you into the hands of the international loan capitalism. For years you have sweated so that the State can pay the interest on the loan capital. You are damned for all eternity to be wage slaves, if you don't demand: (1) The Nationalization of the banks and the money economy. (2) The abolition of interest-exploiters and Stock Exchange speculators. (3) The abolition of share capital.

(4) Election leaflet published by the National Socialist German Workers Party (October, 1926)

Our call goes out to you who earn your bread through honest work. If you don't want your children, and your children's children to be damned for all eternity as slaves of world capitalism, if you don't want to be made the protectors of Stock Exchange bandits and other blood suckers by your treacherous leaders, if you are on the contrary filled with a fanatical will for freedom, then join the ranks of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Timothy_Fitzpatrick

#88
August 27, 2012, 03:57:41 AM
You just spent all that time copy and pasting stuff that is completely irrelevant to my last post. Are you even reading what I am saying? Why don't you try using your listening/comprehension skills? I responded to your claim that it's Jewish disinfo to say that Hitler and leading Nazis were queers. I gave some good reasons on why that is highly unlikely. Address that, please, instead of talking about the NSDAP, Hitler, and nationalism ad nauseum...unless, of course, you like wasting your own time.
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CrackSmokeRepublican

#89
August 27, 2012, 04:15:20 AM
Tim, what the hell are you talking about?  I don't know why you take Jew writers like Riesman and Charlotte Wolff so seriously.

https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2012/06/ ... hoanalyst/

QuoteCharlotte Wolff and lesbian history: reconfiguring liminality in exile.
Brennan T, Hegarty P.


Department of Psychology, University of Surrey, Guildford, UK. tlb

Abstract

This article considers the "liminality" of the psychologist Charlotte Wolff, MD (1897-1986). Always living openly as a lesbian since her school days in Danzig, Wolff trained as a doctor-also pursuing a parallel interest in poetry and in philosophy. As a Jewish person, she was forced to leave the Berlin Health Service and flee Germany when the Nazi regime came to power. Having moved to Great Britain in 1936 after three years in France, Wolff reconfigured "exile" beyond the literal experience of emigration and immigration, as a form of "marginality" or "liminality" always involved in artistic and scientific endeavors. In her life and work she negotiated several liminal areas-from her gender presentation to her standing in the academic and scientific community (she was a Fellow of the British Psychological Society, to which she bequeathed her papers and the copyright to her work, but at the same time she was not an eminent psychologist), to her membership of sexual minority organizations (she conducted pioneering research on lesbianism and bisexuality, but some resented her connection with the psy-professions). In the spirit of Wolff's "liminality" as a strategy and creative zone, and along the lines indicated by Morawski (1994) as regards the transformative possibilities of feminist psychology as a liminal science, we argue for a reappraisal of Wolff's life and work that, in negotiating the borderlands between lesbian history and history of psychology, could enrich both disciplines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20661798
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan
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