Hitler the Zionist Jew and Enemy of Europe?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Anyways, if there is someone here who agrees with the reasons I have put forward as to why it is not Jewish disinformation to say that Hitler and the Nazi leadership were homosexuals, then who stands to gain by making this up, if it isn't true? Where there is smoke there is fire.

[Stolz und Ehre]

Anyways, if there is someone here who agrees with the reasons I have put forward as to why it is not Jewish disinformation to say that Hitler and the Nazi leadership were homosexuals, then who stands to gain by making this up, if it isn't true? Where there is smoke there is fire.

Seriously, after reading all the nonsense you just spewed all about this thread, I'm pretty confident your intent was to argue on behalf of the Jew, which if you haven't noticed is rather futile considering what website you are doing it on. But as far as the argument that proceeded from your claims that the nazis were closet homosexuals, I think the point must be made that the Nazis where right, and every bit of lies uttered from this or that historian has been in reality bullshit.

Adolf Hitler specifically was not a very sexual person, at least from what I could tell from reading his material. That is not to say he did not fancy women, however it merely suggest that sexual deviancy and the like, were not motivators for hitler. Rohm, Göring and Himmler on the other hand I am not so sure, although my point is that Nazism or National Socialism was much more that just government or religion. It was a almost spiritual movement which just happened to be organized by what appeared to be a government body.

National Socialism was what brought the people under Hitlers leadership. It was not this or that manipulation, but the realization on behalf of the German people, that what they had tried was not working. And so through the guidance of Hitler the Germans were redeemed through the quest to become an Aryan. To be wholly good to eachother as countrymen, yet hard and strong in resolve. National Socialism destroyed the Vices that were forced on to the Germans as it is forced unto people today, and that is why Jews hated it and perverted it, so that people associate it with racism and white nationalism.

And so because Hitler freed the Germans from their Jewish overlords, they (Jews) began conspiring to find a way to destroy Hitler and ultimately Europe. National Socialism was the cure to the disease known as Judaism.

After all, why do you think the only person Jews hate more than Jesus is Hitler? Because both Jesus and Hitler were right and spoke truth.

But to even suggest what Jews have said about the Nazis and Hitler is true, is the same as aiding in their conquest of all the peoples of this earth.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for taking the time to read my post and reply, Stolz. But you haven't answered my question either. Who stands to gain—and why—by charging Hitler and the Nazi leadership for being closet homosexuals?

Adolf Hitler specifically was not a very sexual person, at least from what I could tell from reading his material.

Let's not confuse effeminate with asexual. There is convincing evidence that Hitler was homosexual, and this does not come from Jewish sources.

And so because Hitler freed the Germans from their Jewish overlords, they (Jews) began conspiring to find a way to destroy Hitler and ultimately Europe. National Socialism was the cure to the disease known as Judaism.

But would the German people have so embraced Nazism had it not been so reactionary or had the Nazis not employed such ingenious forms of propaganda? If not, then there is more possibility for the Jews engineering the reaction...to say, the Weimar Republic. Isn't it ironic that the current American police state and CIA murder machine we have today is a direct result of Nazi technology, concepts?

But to even suggest what Jews have said about the Nazis and Hitler is true, is the same as aiding in their conquest of all the peoples of this earth.

Jews aren't claiming Hitler was a secret Zionist. And, as I demonstrated earlier, it makes little sense for Jews to promulgate the idea that Hitler and leading Nazis were homos.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Let's not confuse effeminate with asexual. There is convincing evidence that Hitler was homosexual, and this does not come from Jewish sources.

Tim, for the last time. Get some "citations" on all of your pet "theories".  I only want to see "citations"  from you  on this.  

Use a search engine with phrases like "was Hitler gay" or "convincing evidence that Hitler was homosexual" -- they all bring up nothing "conclusive". Most of it is from the same old shoddy work from your favorite Jew Lothar Machtan.  

So, let this one go Tim.  
 

Was Hitler Homosexual?

Robert G. L. Waite, in The Psychopathic God: Adolf Hitler, is one of the first to take the "Hitler was homosexual" idea seriously. Waite's MO was to utilize any and all incidental facts to push whatever spurious thesis he was setting out to 'prove,' regardless of whether the contention had any actual merit. The Psychopathic God is rife with ridiculous flights of fancy and is a book to be avoided. It is a worthless volume and would be better placed in the fantasy-fiction section of the library than in the history section.

The Hidden Hitler (published in Germany as Hitlers Geheimnis. Das Doppelleben eines Diktators--Hitler's Secret: The Double Life of a Dictator), by German-Jewish professor and historian Dr. Lothar Machtan, takes up where Waite leaves off. The fact is that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever provided to support the idea, other than the purely circumstantial. There is not one shred of documentation that is not third-hand, and no physical evidence of any kind. The entire exercise is similar to any number of books that purport to 'prove' the extraterrestrial origins of UFO's without providing any physical evidence to support the contention. Sure, it is conceivable that such is the case, and it would explain a number of phenomenon if true, but this in itself is not enough to cause one to embrace the idea. One simply cannot prove anything without proof, no matter how elegant the proposed solution may seem to be. Whether it is UFO's, or Hitler's sexual preferences, proof is still required. Machtan provides no proof, and thus proves nothing.

The 'evidence' he points to consists of second or third-hand accounts by people who claim to have actually seen such evidence when it existed, but it has all since disappeared. This evidence allegedly includes police reports, affidavits, and even a porno film (perish the thought!) starring a young Hitler. The author claims that Hitler's agents destroyed this substantial body of evidence before it could fall into 'the wrong hands.'

While it is a fact that Hitler did his best to keep his personal history under wraps, the motivation does not necessarily include hiding evidence of Hitler's homosexuality. In Mein Kampf, Hitler reinvented himself, playing fast and loose with the facts to make his 'rags-to-riches' history as compelling as possible. This included stating that his family was poor and struggling, when in fact they were prosperous and upper middle-class, and ignoring unpleasant facts, such as his Aunt Johanna's hunchback, the Schicklgruber Name-change, the unknown paternal progenitor, his half-brother's police record, etc.. (See: Biographical Timeline of the Infamous Adolf Hitler.)

It is documented that Hitler did his best to keep these facts from the German electorate. But, seeing as all sources were available to researchers without restriction until January of 1933 in the case of his Munich days, and until the Anschluss in the case of Austria, it is apparent that this attempted cover-up was decidedly unsuccessful. Conrad Heiden and a plethora of his peers tore apart every available archive seeking every possible fact about Hitler long before he acquired the power to stop them. Had there been any evidence that Hitler was homosexual, it would have turned up then, and since all those researchers were journalists working for newspapers opposed to Hitler, such evidence would have immediately seen print. In the event, all of the dirt that was fit to print was indeed printed.

Why is this considered so important to some? (Indeed? -- CSR ) Is this whole line of inquiry just another variation of the "Hitler was not 'normal,' and thus his crimes cannot be laid on the doorstep of us 'normal' fellows" theory (leaving aside whether or not homosexuality can indeed be considered beyond the norm)? The idea that there was something wrong with Hitler that caused him to perpetrate his crimes is prevalent in the literature, whether it is an implication that he was insane, possessed, or otherwise abnormal. All of these popular explanations employ circular logic and spurious assumptions to make their points, and I, for one, remain unconvinced by any of them.

....


Conclusion: There is not one single piece of documented evidence to support the contention that Adolf Hitler was homosexual. Those who persist in propagating this fantasy should be ignored.[/u]

http://trhfaq.tripod.com/028.html


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Hitler had son with French teen

Adolf Hitler had a son with a French teenager while serving as a soldier during the First World War, according to new evidence.

Adolf Hitler had a son, Jean-Marie Loret, with a French teenager while serving as a soldier during the First World War, according to new evidence.
Hitler is said to have had an affair with Charlotte Lobjoie, 16, as he took a break from the trenches in June 1917 Photo: AP

By Peter Allen, Paris

1:47PM GMT 17 Feb 2012

Jean-Marie Loret, who died in 1985 aged 67, never met his father, but went on to fight Nazi forces during the Second World War.

His extraordinary story has now been backed up by a range of compelling evidence, both in France and in Germany, which is published in the latest edition of Paris's Le Point magazine.

Hitler is said to have had an affair with Mr Loret's mother, Charlotte Lobjoie, 16, as he took a break from the trenches in June 1917.

Although he was fighting the French near Seboncourt, in the northern Picardy region, Hitler made his way to Fournes-in-Weppe, a small town west of Lille, for regular leave.

There he met Miss Lobjoie, who later told their son: "One day I was cutting hay with other women, when we saw a German soldier on the other side of the street.

"He had a sketch pad and seemed to be drawing. All the women found this interesting, and were curious to know what he was drawing.

"I was designated to approach him."

The pair started a brief relationship, which resulted in the birth of Jean-Marie, who was born in March 1918 after being conceived during a 'tipsy' evening in June 1917.

Miss Lobjoie later told Jean-Marie: "When your father was around, which was very rarely, he liked to take me for walks in the countryside.

"But these walks usually ended badly. In fact, your father, inspired by nature, launched into speeches which I did not really understand.

"He did not speak French, but solely ranted in German, talking to an imaginary audience. Even if I spoke German I would not be able to follow him, as the histories of Prussia, Austria and Bavaria where not familiar to me at all, far from it.

"My reaction used to anger your father so much that I did not show any reaction."

Jean-Marie was, like thousands of other French children with German soldier fathers, badly treated by his peers at school.

He was referred to as 'the son of the Boche', and often had fights as he tried to defend his father, who had by now disappeared over the border back to Germany.

Miss Lobjoie, meanwhile, refused to discuss Jean-Marie's father, and ended up giving her only son away for adoption in the 1930s to a family called Loret.

His real father would not recognise Jean-Marie, but continued to stay in contact with Miss Lobjoie.

Incredibly, Mr Loret went on to fight the Germans in 1939, defending the Maginot Line before it was bypassed during the Nazi invasion which resulted in France being occupied from 1940 until 1944.

Mr Loret even joined the French Resistance, and was given the codename 'Clement'.

Just before her death in the early 1950s, Miss Lobjoie finally told Jean-Marie that his father was arguably the most infamous dictator in human history.

Mr Loret said: "In order not to get depressed, I worked non-stop, never took a holiday, and had no hobbies. For twenty years I didn't even go to the cinema."

Mr Loret began investigating his past in great detail, employing scientists to prove that he has the same blood type as Hitler, and that they even have similar handwriting.

Photographs of the two also reveal an astonishing resemblance.

Other elements which corroborate the story are official Wehrmacht, or German Army, papers which show that officers brought envelopes of cash to Miss Lobjoie during the Second World War.

When Miss Lobjoie died, Mr Loret also found paintings in her attic which were signed by Hitler, who was an accomplished artist.

In Germany, meanwhile, a picture of a woman painted by Hitler looked exactly like Miss Lobjoie.

Francois Gibault, Mr Loret's Paris lawyer, said: "He first came to see me in 1979, but was a bit lost and did not know whether he wanted to be publicly recognised as Hitler's son, or to erase all that completely.

"He had the feelings of many illegitimate children: the desire to find a past, however heavy, but also the fear of returning to the old routine.

"I talked with him a lot, playing the role of psychologist rather than lawyer."

Mr Gibault said that Mr Loret's own children might now be in a position to claim royalties from Mein Kampf ('My Struggle'), Hitler's famous book which has sold millions of copies around the world.

Mr Loret wrote a book called 'Your Father's Name Was Hitler' in 1981, and it is now set to be re-published with all the new evidence.

Hitler, who was born in an Austrian village, frequently spoke of his love for France, and especially for Paris.

In December 1940, he paid an emotional visit to the capital city, where he was pictured saluting Napoleon's tomb in front of his bemused generals.

More intriguingly still, Hitler transferred from Vienna part of the remains of Napoleon II, Napoleon Bonaparte's son with Marie Louise of Austria.

Hitler often enthused about the greatness of Napoleon, saying that he wanted to have as big an impact on history as the Frenchman.

Although he never officially had any sons or daughters of his own, Hitler often spoke of his love of children and animals.

He married his mistress, Eva Braun, as the Red Army shelled his bunker in Berlin, in 1945, and committed suicide shortly afterwards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -teen.html

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Dammit, CSR, some of the evidence has already been posted. But since you're obviously too lazy (or ignorant) to read each post, here it is again:

[youtube:lm5a6j39]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fMwOzVIYbg[/youtube]lm5a6j39]

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Dammit, CSR, some of the evidence has already been posted. But since you're obviously too lazy (or ignorant) to read each post, here it is again:

Tim.  You are an idiot and you don't have evidence. If all you have is some Jew Fag professor's book and video, you don't have anything. But like Alex Jonestein, you will not let go of certain "beliefs" that do not stand up to facts.  Cite books, articles from noted authors besides the Jew Fag professor. They haven't found anything "clear and conclusive".    The vid you just posted... is just a rehash of the Jew Professor's 2001 book.

You seem to not care about the facts. That much is clear.  Look at Wikipedia -- they don't hold Lothar's work as reputable.  I guess that fact may blow up some of your pet theories.  Sorry dude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Adolf_Hitler

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

So, instead of refuting the points brought up in the documentary, you're simply going to name call and dismiss it all as Jewish propaganda without providing any evidence of such. Very nice, CSR. I definitely wouldn't want you on my debating team.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

So, instead of refuting the points brought up in the documentary, you're simply going to name call and dismiss it all as Jewish propaganda without providing any evidence of such. Very nice, CSR. I definitely wouldn't want you on my debating team.

It is Jew propaganda Tim.

[Stolz und Ehre]

So, instead of refuting the points brought up in the documentary, you're simply going to name call and dismiss it all as Jewish propaganda without providing any evidence of such. Very nice, CSR. I definitely wouldn't want you on my debating team.

Well Timothy, since it would seem that you have not understood what has been insinuated not only by myself, but others as well, I would be glad to explain. You see, it's all simple politics. Soooo the Jews don't like hitler or his ideals, so what is a rival opponent as skilled as the Jew to do? Well, simply make up slanderous lies that contradict and belittle their enemy. In other words make him sound all the more evil, by saying he was a hypocrite, and murdered homosexuals "like himself". because, although people don't say it very often for fear of being harrassed and or marked as intolerant, the majority still considers homosexuality immoral and otherwise wrong.

Think of it how Obama and Romney are out bad mouthing each other at the foot of the Jew in order to win over his vote. And during their campaigns (of destruction) they release things that may not be directly true, but through media they make it as if it were such. The claims of sexual deviancy is all a ploy to assemble public opinion against national Socialism and its believers, so to see that NS followers cease to exist as a movement altogether. However, to the Jews dismay they have learned that although it is not an immediate threat to overthrow them at the moment, national socialism remains resilient and a thorn in the side, because of its appeal to people despite color,race or religion. Because, remember that Nazism or NS is not white nationalism! Jews have simply attached ignorant fools such as those skinheads to holy symbols such as the Swastika and iron cross, in an effort to make people view nazism with contempt and further the notion that National Socialism is and was evil at its core.
(for reference sake, I hope you realize the U.S elections are rigged, it is merely an example.)

Ittales must be emphasized that all supposed 'evidence' of Hitlers homosexuality is by its nature slanted since the allies won the war and through one way or another (Nuremberg trials & Eisenhowers death camps) killed off any or all people who were ever near to Hitler. And this, while some supposed former colleague talks about hitlers habits and sexuality, whom was most likely there (in Germany) but never even met or spoke with Hitler. Remember, that because of the mistreatment and widespread torture in allied camps, many SS men gave false confessions and were sent to the gallows or shot for doing so. The Americans would ask questions to Germans, then beat them until they received the desired answer.

They lie about the holocaust, do you honestly think that they wouldnt go the extra mile to bad mouth the nazis and Hitler that much more while they're at it?

Dr.Goebbels had a quote that sums up such misinformation quite nicely.


"They ought to stop lying. One day our patience will come to an end and then we will grab these insolent Jews by their throats and shut their lying mouths shut!"-Dr. Joseph Goebbels

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

It is Jew propaganda Tim.

Hah! That's not an answer, CSR.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Well Timothy, since it would seem that you have not understood what has been insinuated not only by myself, but others as well, I would be glad to explain. You see, it's all simple politics. Soooo the Jews don't like hitler or his ideals, so what is a rival opponent as skilled as the Jew to do? Well, simply make up slanderous lies that contradict and belittle their enemy. In other words make him sound all the more evil, by saying he was a hypocrite, and murdered homosexuals "like himself". because, although people don't say it very often for fear of being harrassed and or marked as intolerant, the majority still considers homosexuality immoral and otherwise wrong.

Don't you think it would be counter-productive for the Jew to promote the idea that Hitler persecuted homosexuals, then turn 180 degrees and say Hitler was homosexual? Then there is the lack of evidence of Jews promoting this controversial theory. We know that when the Jews promote something, they really promote. It gets out everywhere through their controlled press. And in the case of Hitler's homosexuality, we simply don't see this media and academia bombardment. It just isn't there.

The claims of sexual deviancy is all a ploy to assemble public opinion against national Socialism and its believers, so to see that NS followers cease to exist as a movement altogether. However, to the Jews dismay they have learned that although it is not an immediate threat to overthrow them at the moment, national socialism remains resilient and a thorn in the side, because of its appeal to people despite color,race or religion. Because, remember that Nazism or NS is not white nationalism! Jews have simply attached ignorant fools such as those skinheads to holy symbols such as the Swastika and iron cross, in an effort to make people view nazism with contempt and further the notion that National Socialism is and was evil at its core.
(for reference sake, I hope you realize the U.S elections are rigged, it is merely an example.)

Again, where is this widespread promotion of the belief that Hitler and his Nazis were closet queers? It isn't there except for a few obscure books and documentaries. If the Jews were trying to promote this, they've done a piss poor job.

Ittales must be emphasized that all supposed 'evidence' of Hitlers homosexuality is by its nature slanted since the allies won the war and through one way or another (Nuremberg trials & Eisenhowers death camps) killed off any or all people who were ever near to Hitler. And this, while some supposed former colleague talks about hitlers habits and sexuality, whom was most likely there (in Germany) but never even met or spoke with Hitler. Remember, that because of the mistreatment and widespread torture in allied camps, many SS men gave false confessions and were sent to the gallows or shot for doing so. The Americans would ask questions to Germans, then beat them until they received the desired answer.

No doubt, but there is a major contradiction not being addressed here. Sexual liberation is far bigger in the Jews' arsenal than picking on the long-dead Nazis and socialism. Why threaten the Jews' sexual liberation movement with such a theory on Hitler and the Nazis? It doesn't make any logical sense to do that. The Jews have always contended (see Freud, Adorno, Reich, Horkheimer et al) that authoritarian behaviour is the result of repressed sexuality. If the Jews came out and said that Hitler was gay, that would turn their long-held view on its head. How could Hitler become authoritarian by being sexually deviant? The Jews would be contradicting themselves. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with the theory that the Nazis were a bunch of closeted fags. I do, however, have a problem with people accusing this theory of being Jewish propaganda, because there is no evidence for this. Simply calling it Jewish propaganda doesn't make it so.

Many anti-Judaics are so fixated on World War II propaganda, they aren't seeing the bigger picture, or they aren't seeing other equally and more important issues tied to the Judeo-Masonic plot. These same narrow-minded folks are also highly susceptible to becoming neo-Nazis, which is the same ideology as Judaism, through their fixation on Hitler and the Nazis. It's unhealthy.

I think if we were to be truly honest with ourselves, we would  at least consider that Hitler might be controlled opposition. The reasoning of some on this forum, is the same flawed reasoning that leads people to defend Alex Jones against the charge that he is a Zionist shill, when we know damn well that he is. And because some here so passionately defend Hitler against very valid critiques, I think, is more telling of their true agenda and loyalties—which is not to the pursuit of truth.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Tim you have been repeatedly debunked on this thread since you started "FTheosophizing" on it. Fritz Springmeier is like the Jew Schlock films... good for a laugh, a bit interesting, but not true. You have to look at more sources and cite them. Springmeier's book is pretty flimsy. Interesting but flimsy.

Looked the thread over from the beginning, you still haven't produced anything but Jewish works (Pink Triangle-Lothar).

Carolyn Yeager had a pretty good show last year covering these topics and debunked them quite well. Veronica Clark also debunked them.  Your perspective on the NSDAP and Hitler is full of cloudiness and confusion. You have over the years looked for the typical slant -- Hitler was a ___(Fill in the blank)___  and when you found yourself debunked on entry "A" you erased it and switched to entry "B", and then "C" and then "D" -- I think we are probably into the "Y"s now.  So... was Hitler under the "decoder ring" spell of the:  Illuminati, Theosophists, Thuleists, British Israelists, Rothschilds, Zionists, Vanderwogelists (Boy Scouts), Occultists, Marxists, Jesuits (had to throw that one in there for the A.J. factor), NSDAP Homos, Cabbalists, Jew Syndicalists???  Or fill in the blank... and show your sources.  Not pictures or videos. But books, journal articles, biographies, etc... I'm not impressed with the Jews like Lothar interviewed so far.  

Tell us the secrets of your plastic decoder ring.        

Re: Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show

Postby Yo Mama » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:55 am
The Heretics' Hour: Sex & Death—More Adolf Hitler Lies
http://reasonradionetwork.com/20110314/ ... itler-lies

March 14, 2011

Carolyn continues separating fact from fiction about der Führer and again warns of Gordon Duff's disinformation. Topics include:

- Questions on young Hitler's inheritance

- Was Hitler a homosexual? Are you kidding?

- The "one-testicle" rumor—where it came from

- Soviets did not find Hitler's remains

- Gordon Duff's strange "G-tt Mit Uns"

- Duff the "historian" on anti-Semitic violent Christians, Julius Streicher, euthanasia, and the Reichstag Fire

- But his readers are starting to catch on.

viewtopic.php?p=56360#p56275

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So was Hitler a secret member of the "Blue-White" group? No... but Tim thinks so. Right Tim?

After World War I, the leaders returned disillusioned from the war. The same was true for leaders of German Scouting. So both movements started to influence each other heavily in Germany. From the Wandervogel came a stronger culture of hiking, adventure, bigger tours to farther places, romanticism and a younger leadership structure. Scouting brought uniforms, flags, more organization, more camps and a clearer ideology. There was also an educationalist influence from Gustav Wyneken.

Together this led to the emergence of the Bündische Jugend. The Wandervogel, German Scouting and the Bündische Jugend together are referred to as the German Youth Movement.

They had been around for more than a quarter of a century before National Socialists began to see an opportunity to hijack some methods and symbols of the German Youth Movement to use it in the Hitler Youth to influence the young.

This movement was very influential at that time. Its members were romantic and prepared to sacrifice a lot for their ideals. That is why there are many to be found on both sides in the Third Reich. Some of the Wandervogel groups had Jewish members; Jewish youth and adults had their own Wandervogel group called "Blau-Weiss" ("blue-white"), and this eventually became a Zionist youth movement; other Jewish scouting movements such as Hashomer Hatzair were influenced by the Wandervogel. Other groups within the movement were anti-semitic or close to the Nazi government. Therefore one can later find prominent members subscribing to the Third Reich and other prominent members resisting it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandervogel

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Tim you have been repeatedly debunked on this thread since you started "FTheosophizing" on it.

You haven't debunked Jack Shit. So far, all you've done is cry "Jew propaganda! Jew propaganda!"

[Stolz und Ehre]

Tim you have been repeatedly debunked on this thread since you started "FTheosophizing" on it.

You haven't debunked Jack Shit. So far, all you've done is cry "Jew propaganda! Jew propaganda!"

Based on your passionate argument to insult Hitler and the Nazi party I am of the general opinion that you are either controlled opposition or a Jew. And speaking of not proving "jack shit" please don't speak of National Socialism as having any relation whatsoever to Judaism, as it clearly shows your ignorance on the subject. NS and Judaism couldnt be more different ideologically if they tried. But what I think you meant was that White Nationalism is similar to Judaism since both are ethnocentric on principle.

Please read National Socialist literature such as that of Savitre Devi or Hitler himself before claiming it to hold certain beleifs, because just in case you didn't know everything you read in school about National Socialism is wrong. I bet you think that the term Aryan refers to only white people as well??

[SPECTEC]

 http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... s.html?m=0

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Based on your passionate argument to insult Hitler and the Nazi party I am of the general opinion that you are either controlled opposition or a Jew.

Right, because anyone who doesn't support the Nazis must be a Jew or part of the New World Order. :crazy:

And speaking of not proving "jack shit" please don't speak of National Socialism as having any relation whatsoever to Judaism, as it clearly shows your ignorance on the subject. NS and Judaism couldnt be more different ideologically if they tried. But what I think you meant was that White Nationalism is similar to Judaism since both are ethnocentric on principle.

Of course that's what I meant. And that's the most important similarity. It is fundamental. Nazism is Judaism for whites.

Please read National Socialist literature such as that of Savitre Devi or Hitler himself before claiming it to hold certain beleifs, because just in case you didn't know everything you read in school about National Socialism is wrong. I bet you think that the term Aryan refers to only white people as well??

I do read Nazi material. And it has the same feel as the Talmud. I plan to read all of Mein Kampf. But what good will that do? I am just a Jew and a shill after all.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

As it relates to the theory that Nazism is Jewish controlled opposition:

As Lenin stated so succinctly: "Two steps forward, one step back." In order to preserve the secret of the Renaissance and post-Renaissance Vatican's fundamental orientation to rabbinic ideology and mystical Kabbalistic gnosis and suzerainty, sometimes the hierarchy appeared to discipline or repress Judaic elements, to placate either the Catholic mob or restless intellectuals and holy persons in its own ranks. I will have much more to say about these chess moves in Renaissance Roman Catholicism.—Michael Hoffman II

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

As it relates to the theory that Nazism is Jewish controlled opposition:

As Lenin stated so succinctly: "Two steps forward, one step back." In order to preserve the secret of the Renaissance and post-Renaissance Vatican's fundamental orientation to rabbinic ideology and mystical Kabbalistic gnosis and suzerainty, sometimes the hierarchy appeared to discipline or repress Judaic elements, to placate either the Catholic mob or restless intellectuals and holy persons in its own ranks. I will have much more to say about these chess moves in Renaissance Roman Catholicism.—Michael Hoffman II

It doesn't relate Tim. That's your "theory" which you haven't articulated whatsoever to a commanding degree. I'm afraid you are just continually pushing the Magic Decoder Ring button, but it doesn't give the "secret" you need to explain it all.  Can you explain the Nazi-Judeo/Mason connection in detail... in your own words. And don't go off on a tangent because I've read your "crap" (Lothar-Pink Triangle-Springmeier) over the last few years and it doesn't add up. Don't post Springmeier and then suddenly cite M. Hoffman or E.M. Jones as a seal to your flimsy theories. You have really "clarified" nothing on this entire thread.  In fact, it is tiring to listen to your "ideas". You are an obstruction.


Here's your best "Jail Bird" source:

Criminal conviction

On January 31, 2002, Springmeier was indicted in the United States District Court in Portland, Oregon[6] in connection with an armed robbery. On February 12, 2003, he was found guilty of one count of armed bank robbery in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 2113(a) and (d) and one count of aiding and abetting in the use of a semi-automatic rifle during the commission of a felony in violation of 18 U.S.C § 924(c)(1).[7][8] In November 2003, he was sentenced to 51 months in prison on the armed robbery charge and 60 months on the aiding and abetting charge, fined $7,500, ordered to pay $6,488 in restitution, and assessed an additional $200.[9] Springmeier's conviction was affirmed by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.[10] He was imprisoned, and was released from federal prison on March 25, 2011.[11][12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Springmeier

[Stolz und Ehre]

As it relates to the theory that Nazism is Jewish controlled opposition:

As Lenin stated so succinctly: "Two steps forward, one step back." In order to preserve the secret of the Renaissance and post-Renaissance Vatican's fundamental orientation to rabbinic ideology and mystical Kabbalistic gnosis and suzerainty, sometimes the hierarchy appeared to discipline or repress Judaic elements, to placate either the Catholic mob or restless intellectuals and holy persons in its own ranks. I will have much more to say about these chess moves in Renaissance Roman Catholicism.—Michael Hoffman II

Wow the stupid shit your spewing is some of the worst I've seen around, and I've seen quite a bit. To even suggest National Socialism is just nonsensical and stupid. I take it you also beleive that Hitler was a Rothschild agent, right?

No, you are wrong nazism isn't controlled opposition,you are, just like the scumbag Alex jones. And just for the record what exactly do you beleive in personally, because I havent seen any structured belief system from you that most humans have. So yes I do infact beleive you are a Jew who goes spreading outlandish conspericy theories to confuse everyone and anyone who might just be figuring out the system.

I just random babel out of you like,just like  any stupid rabbi with his head up his ass  

And just so you know, the fact that you haven't read mein Kampf eliminates you from passing judgement on what National Socialism is and isn't. All you know about NS comes from bias sources and hateful Jewish professors.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Your desperation is showing, CSR. Using Jew propaganda from Jewpedia against Springmeier. Don't get hypocritical on us now.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Desperation?  Yeah right.

A Nice "one liner" that amounts to nothing. Actually, I have to thank you Tim.  Yes, "thank you Timothy Fitzpatrick".   You've made me look deeper into this where I found things I didn't expect find.

So,  here's a one liner just for you Tim -  that is something:

"Couple tied to separatist movement face drug-trafficking charges". Eugene Register-Guard: p. 2B. March 3, 2001

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ZH ... eier&hl=en

Note that    Fritz Springmeier is actually a Crypto named "Victor E. Schoff".    

Fritz Springmeier (born Victor E. Schoff) is regarded as one of the foremost authorities on the Illuminati and mind control

  So, F. Springmeier is a J-Triber after all like the rest of them. I didn't know that until today after checking this out.  

Yep, great source there Tim.

So Tim, I think you should just withdraw from posting on this thread. You find great material on other threads but stay off of this one, it really makes you look bad and calls into question your sources...like pairing up with the J-Triber "Schoff".  

--CSR

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Give it up, CSR. Everyone knows that Springmeier was framed by the Masonic courts for his ousting of Illuminati MK Ultra programming. Springmeier was convicted on the mere false testimony of one FBI informant, who never even witnessed the alleged conspiring to rob a bank. But you want to sit here and believe the Jewish media lies about him. Who is the Jew now, CSR? You are revealing your ignorance more and more, simply because your sick infatuation with Hitler and the Nazis is blinding you to the bigger picture. You naively believe that Nazism epitomizes anti-Judaism and desperately look for Nazi hunters you believe hide under every rock imaginable.

And besides, Springmeier is one of many reporting the findings that Hitler and leading Nazis were fags. Magnus Hirschfeld Institut fuer Sexualforschung passed on its files on the Nazis to Kinsey. Unfortunately for you Hitler worshippers, the Nazis couldn't intercept it in time and had to settle for burning the Institute without the Nazi files. Even Kinsey's own biographer, James Jones, reveals the crypto-homosexuality of Kinsey.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Tim, your "fave" Nazi-Investigator hero Fitz Springmeier is a Jew named "Schoff". He wasn't setup -- he was busted.    A Jew Tim... think about it... and a drug running J-Triber Jew at that.  That's why ALEX JONES is a huge fan of Springmeier...he's a Jew... right?    I'd return that Jew's book for refund Tim instead of holding it in your hands for nightly reading.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

CSR, you and your lackey here have demonstrated that you believe anyone who doesn't support Hitler and the Nazis is a Jew or controlled opposition. I don't have any more time for such idiotic banter. Have fun in your little box.

[Stolz und Ehre]

CSR, you and your lackey here have demonstrated that you believe anyone who doesn't support Hitler and the Nazis is a Jew or controlled opposition. I don't have any more time for such idiotic banter. Have fun in your little box.

As arrogant and condescending as you may be, I offer enlightenment through aryan-dawn.org. Here, you can learn all about national socialism and quit pretending that you know. And I will respect you if you actually read our material and still insist that NS is ethnocentric or "Judaism for whites" as you so artfully stated.

[Ahmed]

The National Socialist project in Germany was partly a Rothschild funded enterprise. Adolf Hitler was supposed to be a safe pair of hands for the criminals in a WWE style, semi-staged drôle de guerre (e.g. letting the Brits go at Dunkirk etc) but he had his own ideas (perhaps motivated by the brazen Jewish terror of the Communist bloc) and that's why they eventually turned on him. No one can listen to the 'Judaism is a satanic power' speech or even 'The Farmers and The Workers' address and call them the words of controlled opposition. But the reality was that NS polices were designed to dump Jewry into Palestine, which is exactly what Herzl, Balfour-Rothschild etc wanted all along.

Bottom line: the Rothschild agenda worked out for them in 1918 and 1945 and the world has been paying the price since. We live in the here and now, and the criminal agenda is making its final bid for world domination.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

The National Socialist project in Germany was partly a Rothschild funded enterprise. Adolf Hitler was supposed to be a safe pair of hands for the criminals in a WWE style, semi-staged drôle de guerre (e.g. letting the Brits go at Dunkirk etc) but he had his own ideas (perhaps motivated by the brazen Jewish terror of the Communist bloc) and that's why they eventually turned on him. No one can listen to the 'Judaism is a satanic power' speech or even 'The Farmers and The Workers' address and call them the words of controlled opposition. But the reality was that NS polices were designed to dump Jewry into Palestine, which is exactly what Herzl, Balfour-Rothschild etc wanted all along.

Bottom line: the Rothschild agenda worked out for them in 1918 and 1945 and the world has been paying the price since. We live in the here and now, and the criminal agenda is making its final bid for world domination.

Quite. But the Hitler lovers won't even so much as concede that the Zionists benefited from Hitler's guided manoeuvres. They would have us believe it is all a big coincidence the way things turned out.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Jewish prior knowledge of Nazi rise to power evidence of involvement

"From the nineteenth century until the ascension of the Third Reich, Germany had been the center of the movement known to history as the "Haskalah," which cultivated and inspired the Judaic version of the Enlightenment that revolted against the Talmud. It was German Judaics who poineered the break with 2,000 years of suffocating rabbinic rules,  regulations, and totalitarian mind control. This was an unconscionable sin in the eyes of the rabbis of Orthodox Judaism. It ws predicted by the rabbis of the past that the wrath of God would befall these wayward German Judaic "maskilim." According to leading, twenty-first century rabbis such as Schneerson, Josef and Schach, the instrument of that righteous wrath was Adolf Hitler. Schneerson, Hosef, and Schach are not obscure or marginal rabbis. According to the Nov. 3, 2011 edition of the New York Times, Rabbi Schach "wielded powerful influence over the country's politics for more than two decades...The rabbis of Orthodox Judaism greatly fear two developments, assimilation (marrying a gentile) and heresy (disbelieving the formerly oral law of the Mishnah, Germara, and subsequent halacha derived from them).  Many German Judaics embodied both of these tendencies. Hitler despised them for the same reason, their integration into the German nation. In a symbiotic meeting of the minds, Hitler and the Orhtodox rabbis had the same enemy. If we had an honest news media, Hagee's remarks about Hitler would have been reported in the context of similar depraved remarks made by prominent Israeli rabbis."
—Michael Hoffman, Judaism Discovered, pg. 829-830

Rabbi Says Holocaust Victims Were Sinners

Controversy raged in Israel today after a rabbi who heads the biggest ultra-Orthodox political party said the six million Jews who perished in the Nazi Holocaust died because they were reincarnations of sinners.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, leader of the Shas party, also declared that Prime Minister Ehud Barak has "no sense" because he is trying to make peace with the Palestinians, who are "snakes."

Yosef was speaking in his weekly Saturday night sermon broadcast over the party's radio stations and is even beamed overseas by satellite.

He called the Nazis "evil" and the victims "poor people," but he said the six million "were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things which should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone."

Comments Stir Controversy

Barak told the cabinet today the statement is unworthy of a rabbi of Yosef's status. "His words could harm the memory of those who perished in the Holocaust and could hurt the feelings of their families and the feelings of the entire nation," the prime minister said.

Legislator Yosef (Tommy) Lapid, who heads the secularist Shinui party, said Rabbi Yosef is "an old fool" who has done a service to those who are trying to rehabilitate Adolf Hitler's reputation.

"In the world it will be said that a distinguished rabbi in Israel is in effect confirming what Hitler said, that the Jews are sinners," said Lapid, who is himself a Holocaust survivor.

The two main radio stations were inundated with phone calls and messages, most of them criticizing Yosef's statement. Yehoshua Mashav, a listener, told Israel radio that in plain language Yosef was saying Hitler was innocent and that "he was simply the messenger of God sent to give the Jewish people their just deserts."

We Are All Sinners

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, an international center for Holocaust remembrance, said the rabbi absolved the perpetrators of the Holocaust of their responsibility. "If those Jews deserved to die for past sins, why blame those who carried out the death sentence?" said Ephraim Zuroff, director of the group's Jerusalem office.

Israel's Chief Rabbi Israel Meir Lau, who is also a Holocaust survivor, said Judaism has a concept of reincarnation and of the righteous dying to atone for sin in a previous life, but he told Israel radio that did not account for the Holocaust.

"I have no explanation for the Holocaust," said Lau, who was a child at the time and lost most of his family in the death camps. He appealed to Israelis to "stop probing into it [the Holocaust] in such a blatant, painful, hurtful manner."

Shas chairman Eli Ishai said criticism of Yosef is unjustified. "Rabbi Ovadia weeps for every Jew who is killed ... but nobody, not even a saint, has not sinned. Everyone dies in a state of sin. Nobody can be perfect all his life."

Not Exactly Promoting Tolerance

Yosef, who ordered Shas to quit Barak's coalition as the prime minister was leaving for the Camp David summit, described the Arabs as "snakes" interested mainly in murdering Jews. He said Barak, who is trying to achieve a permanent peace with the Palestinians, has "no sense."

"What kind of peace is this?" Yosef said. "Will you put them beside us? You are bringing snakes beside us. ... Will we make peace with a snake?"

Col. Jebril Rajoub, head of the Palestinian Preventive Security Service in the West Bank, said Yosef's statement about Arabs was racist. A religious leader should be trying to promote tolerance among Jews, Muslims and Christians, Rajoub told Israel radio.

[mgt23]

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two things.....Irving claims Hitler to take a (jewish ritualistic?) bath after the night of the long knives

1:42 the churchill bruening letters that hitler had jewish banks in germany financing hitler(not new york banks)

.....also of note it is noteworthy how king edward before being abdicated with his new jew wife wallace, got on quite well with hitler in 1937.

..........i think hitler in the end, the evidence shows, he was "used" by the jew in london after the abdication of king edward to start a war. just like saddam hussein,  bin laden and a whole host of dictators/organisations financed....used as the next boogeyman. An agenda set in london but capitalised on in new york by international jew bankers.

[fighter4good]

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