Charles Giuliani: A Nihilist Saboteur of the Truth Movement?

[blueocean]

It surely is an interesting debate. someone by the name checkitb4uwreckit is basically on a wrecking rampage before checking it .............. :lol:

destroyer911 comes up with the abaddon 911 link (which I was one of the first to post here about 3-4 years ago) and spreads his abyss doctrine here like wildfire  :lol:


And Pas from the netherlands/ de molukken is also gloathing in his new found atheism which he is so happy to spread around, yet if he were true to his origen he would actually spread animism  :lol:


What irony it all is...............................


My take on this debate in a simplified form is this:  a guy born into a israelite community finds out the l;eadership worships satan/evil and practices such and enslaves the rest, so he basically tries to convince the masses (using their hystory and previous 'prophets')  to stop worshipping evil and end their slavery.  if you believe the gnostic story the priests and their following worshipped and worked for the demiurge, in the bible he calls them of their father the devil.  

only a few people were brave enough to follow these teachings and even they fell asleep a lot of the times, sound familiar..................


later all this was used by the 'powers'  of those times to found a new religion: christianity   and even though the basic message of jesus was rebellion everything was done to spinn it in such a way as to incorporate it into the demiurg/satan worship.


Guilliani wrestles per my view with the most important question : the question of evil, and how evil came to be.   (and how to deal with it).    In his audio debate with Mr Kelly you could almost feel the torment in his voice when discussing the subjects, and rightly so cause the question of evil has to be dealt with.


´ye shall know them by their fruits´ is a good indication to judge those that deal with this evil and also those that perpetrate the evil.


Its all a giant mindfuck, and what a mess to deal with!

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Chrarles Giuliani, Jordan Maxwell, et al—an exercise in Blavatsky's "externalized hierarchy"?

[youtube:3v7qca8f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuocQZiXiJs[/youtube]3v7qca8f]

Hegelian Dialectic:

Religion + anti-Religion = ?

[ada]

The kabbalah is the ultimate heresy and the foundation of freemasonry and the modern day kabbalistic leadership.
Evil is not science! It is sorcery,blood rituals, black magic and intentionally devil worship!
The frankists movement named by its sabbatean messianic founder Jacob Leibowitz aka Jacob Frank is such a group of radical kabbalistic jews
also known as dönmeh,young turks or crypto jews.

From
Judeocentrics and Mass Crimes
by
Piotr Bein
http://piotrbein.wordpress.com/2009/12/ ... ss-crimes/

I argue in Judeocentrics and Mass Crimes that a more fitting term than ZPC is Judeocentric Power Complex (JPC), since Judeocentrism has been spreading its conquests for ages. Take the crypto-Jewish Christian sect, the Frankists.
Shabbataians and Frankists

Like the crypto-Jewish Dönmeh, a sect of radical Jewish converts to Islam in Turkey, the Frankists descended from 18th century cult by Baruchyah Russo, who was believed to have God's soul of the 17th century false messiah Shabbatai Zevi. Hassidic Jews descend from Shabbataians, as do many other non-Jewish sects and quasi-religious groups involved in global politics. Shabbataism isn't "an "archeological" curiosity [...] a number of secret Shabbataian religious communities exist to date! The views of 17th and 18th century Shabbataians are present in the concepts of other Judaic fractions (Jewish Messianists and Protestant Judeo-Christians), but also in secular concepts of so-called Holocaust Religion."[71]

A Polish Jew, Jacob Frank declared (1755) himself Shabbatai's successor, joined Dönmeh, and set up a sect that was baptised (1759) into Christianity under the patronage of Polish Church and aristocracy. Having learned the real goals of Frankists, some of the clergy turned against the Frankists.[72] Frankists sought in Poland the place for their messianic kingdom, pre-dating the Zionists, who seek Jewish homeland in Palestine. Frank petitioned the Polish king and Church for land for his sect. To this end, he managed to convince 15 thousand Frankists to receive Catholic baptism. Frank taught that Polish lands are the messianic kingdom promised to Frankists (the new Biblical Jacob), who are confronted by the Polish gentry (Esau, Jacob's rival). The new Esau must forego his heirdom for the chosen nation (the Frankists).[73]

Frank recognized baptism as necessary for acquiring the gentry status and ruling over Poland. Christians supported Frank's baptism efforts, the signs of the Second Coming of Christ – they believed. Today, the support by Christian Zionists is similarly motivated. Frankist conversion to Christianity generally meant a change of the baptised person's name to a Polish translation or after the godparents' name.[74] Jews massively changed names after WWII under Żydokomuna who have murdered Polish patriots in numbers comparable to the multitude of Polish intelligentsia murderd by the Jew-dominated Soviet and Nazi terror combined.

Protected by the Catholic Church, some Protestant clergy, rulers of Denmark and Poland, and the emperors of Russia, Austro-Hungary and Ottoman Turkey, by 1770's Frank set up a covert network of followers in all of Europe. Personally involved in many political intrigues, he infiltrated influential positions with Shabbataians. Similar to obtaining influence over Poland through baptism and gentry status, Shabbataians in Russia became tsarist trustees and initiators of local Masonry. In Austria and the Third Reich, they represented the financial might of the Oppenheimers that was independent of the Habsburgs. Adam Weishaupt, a Catholicism-hating convert, a pupil of the Jesuits and a rabbi's son, headed Frank's covert network. Weishaupt founded (1.5.1776) a Shabbataian Masonic organization Illuminati to establish a new world order and religion.

A revolution was to spread over the world from Munich, but the conspiracy was uncovered and the Shabbataians transferred the bulk of their activities to infiltrated France. They entered the executive of the Jacobin Club, the most influential political club in the development of the French Revolution, notorious for its implementation of the Reign of Terror. Later, Shabbataians infiltrated covert anarchist, socialist and communist groups in all of Europe. "Often secularized, Shabbataism became one of the destructive revolutionary forces of the last 200 years, responsible for many a political crime. Shabbataians' fingerprints are left e.g. on the Turkish masscre of Armenians and on the occultist Nazi circles".[75]

Frank warred with rabbis who believed that Jews mustn't precipitate Messiah's arrival nor emigrate to Palestine. Frankists hold similar beliefs as do Illuminati, Bolsheviks and Communists, whose leaders have been disproportionately Jewish. The powerful Frankist Jews believe their reincarnate King will restore Biblical Israel and destroy Gentiles and their religions. Total evil and suffering, incl. anti-Semitism, will precipitate the "Redemption".[76]

The revolutionary group in Ottoman Turkey, Young Turks have had as intimate relationship with Dönmeh as did Hitler's Nazis with Frankists: Hitler's Hungarian Jewish patron Moses Pinkeles (Ignatius Trebitsch-Lincoln) and Adam Alfred Rudolf Glauer (Rudolf Glandeck Freiherr von Sebottendorf) who helped Hitler to power. To Frankists, the Messiah would have to be crypto-Jewish tormenter of other Jews.[77]

Jacob Frank exchanged his wife and daughter for sexual favours to gain converts and influence. To gain politically, he accused Jews of ritual human sacrifice, and appealed to Moslem and Christian leaders. Frankists have corrupted Gentiles with Communist, Masonic and Illuminati leaders, who inoculated government, education and the press with Frank's mythologies, and implemented them. "Frank's ultimate goal was to destroy life on Earth, and the means to accomplish that end today exist. The Nazis and the Communists, the latter under crypto-Jewish leadership, inflicted terrible harm to humanity. For the Frankist Jews, there is still worse evil yet to be done". Frankists provided revolutionaries nonstop, through Marxists to modern Zionists. They have been subverting Christian and Muslim religions and societies, while strictly adhering to a code of silence about their faith in the abolition of all law.[78]
Judeocentric Nazis

Shabbataians' Masonic cover, the Thule Society, had influence on the Nazis. The members were interested in racism and combating Jews and Communists.[79] The Frankists waged war against Jews by denouncing the Talmud and accusing Orthodox Jews of ritual sacrifice of Christian children. As bearers of the old order, Orthodox Jews were an obstacle to Frankists' new order, as were any other religious or secular groups espousing status quo.

In a study of Nazism's roots, German-Jewish historian Dietrich Bronder names a substantial part of the Nazi leadership as having Jewish roots, or being related to Jewish families; some of them (Hitler, Hess, Göring, Himmler, Rosenberg , Frank and Haushofer were members of, or had ties with, Thule:[80]

    Adolf Hitler, his deputy Rudolf Hess and field marshal and minister Hermann Göring;
    NSDAP leader Gregor Strasser, propaganda minister Dr. Josef Goebbels, Alfred Rosenberg (Nazi ideologue in racial theory, persecution of the Jews, Lebensraum, abrogation of the Treaty of Versailles, and author of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Jewish World Politics", 1923), Dr. Hans Frank (Governor-General in occupied Poland, instituted a reign of terror on Poles and Jews) and Heinrich Himmler (one of the most powerful Nazis, head of SS, interior minister overseeing concentration camps and all internal and external police and security forces, incl. Gestapo);
    Ministers: von Ribbentrop (friend of Zionist Chaim Weizmann, the first head of the State of Israel), Funk and von Keudell;
    Field commanders: Globocznik (the destroyer of Jews), Jordan and Wilhelm Kube;
    SS leaders active in the destruction of Jews: Reinhard Heydrich, Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski and von Keudell II;
    Hitler's bankers and pre-1933 supporters: Ritter von Stauss (vice-president of Nazi parliament) and von Stein; field marshall and minister of foreign affairs Milch, and his deputy Gauss; physicists and party colleagues Philipp von Lenard and Abraham Esau; old party colleagues Hanffstaengel (foreign press chief , later an advisor to Roosevelt) and prof. Haushofer (geo-strategist).

Hennecke Kardel maintains that all of the above were members of Thule and that Bronder's list is incomplete.[81] Indeed, missing is e.g. Eichmann.

Mark Weber documents the collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.[82] Until 1940-1941, German backing for Zionism was limited to support for a "Jewish homeland" in Palestine under British control, rather than a sovereign Jewish state, for fears of an advantage to international Jewry and to placate Arabs. Weber concludes: "In spite of the basic hostility between the Hitler regime and international Jewry, for several years Jewish Zionist and German National Socialist interests coincided. In collaborating with the Zionists for a mutually desirable and humane solution to a complex problem, the Third Reich was willing to make foreign exchange sacrifices, impair relations with Britain and anger the Arabs. Indeed, during the 1930s no nation did more to substantively further Jewish-Zionist goals than Hitler's Germany." Hitler repeatedly stated that support for the emigration would help remove Jews from Germany.

[pas]

Ada wrote:

Please explain why you think that Hitler was good for the Germans.

After WWI (caused by Jewish handy work) Germany was robbed of her lands, had all kinds of sanctions lifted against her and she had to pay astronomical repairations to the victors.When the National Socialist Party under Hitler came to power (After a political struggle of 14 years) the party introduced economic reforms which reduced unemployment from 36% to 4% (off the top of my head) putting some 6.000.000 German back to work.People could get loans and if they recieved a child 25% of the debt got cancelled, policies like these made the country thrive again.

And never mind my opinion on Hitler's National Socialism, the German people voted him into power by over 90%!!

I claim he was bad for the Germans and very very good for the jews.

He kicked the jews out of power in banking, media and all other important positions and if it wasn't for the honorless, shabboz-goi, brainless, coward Allies it would be very, very bad for the jews.

The painful aftermaths for the Germans.
Germany is still not sovereign but occupied by whom?
By a jewish leadership.
German not only lost the war but were defeated a second time an forced in an reeducation program called Frankfurt school.
Germany are the depicted bogeyman to the occupied media.
So the Germans almost became haters of themselves cause they have accepted the lie of the holocaust and the stigmatization

Yeah, they fought the international jew and lost and yeah, they accept the holohoax lies and the lies about the National Socialists.

The jews however got Palestine and are acting as the true nazis today.

Alex Jones couldn't have said it better himself.If you want to believe these lies be my guest but if you want to find out the thruth check out websites like IHR.org, carolineyeager.com, voiceofreasonradionetwork.com, fredericktoben.com.

I have to admit i also for a time was under the spell of ''the evil nazi's'' even when I was fully aware of the HH.I see now that the lies about the HH are a part of the lies about National Socialism.

So Hitler was a kind of a jewish messiah than anything else.

It were the English with Balfour.
Hitler only cooperated with the jews to get them out of Germany (and even allowed some Jewish banks to excist only so they could help Jewish emigration.TempelBank and one other) and when they started to cause trouble the cooperation ended.His plan was to ship them to Madagaskar but the jews and the French had this plan stopped.

Hennecke Kardel maintains that all of the above were members of Thule and that Bronder's list is incomplete.[81] Indeed, missing is e.g. Eichmann.

Blue Ocean wrote:

And Pas from the netherlands/ de molukken is also gloathing in his new found atheism which he is so happy to spread around, yet if he were true to his origen he would actually spread animism :lol:

I've been a Atheist for more than 20 years and i'm not trying to spread anything but reason.Also I don't think it would be constructive for me if i'd practice the ancient Moluccan religion, it would mean i'd have chop of people's heads in order to take posession of their life force and worship a tree :crazy: .

[blueocean]

So Pas you have adopted the enlightened reason of ´Die Hollanders` ?  Nice to see we brought some civilisation to the inboorlingen  :lol:    


It does baffle me however how a man of supposed reason turns to the hitler leadership for salvation........., its like a white guy joining the black power organisation in the usa, weird aye?    :lol:  


Isn´t it also weird that the B´nai Brith was left untouched all throughout the nazi leadership?


Also  the thule society channeled the jehovah group, the freaking jehovah group,  The SS Schwarze Sonne Black sun was the elite, freaking Black sun, its all a double play/mindfuck  on the masses

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Seriously, don't lose sight of what Jesus represented.  

He represented in many respects the "end" of the Temple, hence that includes all the Jewish rabbis and oral law.  "Christianity" is a refutation of Temple Judaism.  

Never forget that the Jews intend to build the Third Temple... and call it what one will... but the Gospels foretold the destruction of the Second Temple in 70AD and there is no basis for a Third Temple in Christianity.  Those Idiot Jew worshipping "Christians" should take account of what the destruction of the Second Temple stood for... and see that the creation of the Third Temple is purely Jewish and has no basis is scripture. It is actually anti-Christian because the location of that temple is actually at Temple to Bel.  

 Because Jesus died on the cross, there is no need for the Third Temple... and many miss that. Only the Jews and Freemasons want the Third Temple built for pagan reasons. --CSR

[Christopher Marlowe]

Seriously, don't lose sight of what Jesus represented.  

He represented in many respects the "end" of the Temple, hence that includes all the Jewish rabbis and oral law.  "Christianity" is a refutation of Temple Judaism.  

Never forget that the Jews intend to build the Third Temple... and call it what one will... but the Gospels foretold the destruction of the Second Temple in 70AD and there is no basis for a Third Temple in Christianity.  Those Idiot Jew worshipping "Christians" should take account of what the destruction of the Second Temple stood for... and see that the creation of the Third Temple is purely Jewish and has no basis is scripture. It is actually anti-Christian because the location of that temple is actually at Temple to Bel.  

 Because Jesus died on the cross, there is no need for the Third Temple... and many miss that. Only the Jews and Freemasons want the Third Temple built for pagan reasons. --CSR

Yes.  Jesus fulfilled the Law, and therefore there is no reason for a temple. Jesus cursed the fig tree and it died. I think the Bible uses this metaphor to show the destruction of the Temple and that system of worship.

And he entered into Jerusalem, into the temple: and having viewed all things round about, when now the eventide was come, he went out to Bethania with the twelve. [12] And the next day when they came out from Bethania, he was hungry. [13] And when he had seen afar off a fig tree having leaves, he came if perhaps he might find any thing on it. And when he was come to it, he found nothing but leaves. For it was not the time for figs. [14] And answering he said to it: May no man hereafter eat fruit of thee any more for ever. And his disciples heard it. [15] And they came to Jerusalem. And when he was entered into the temple, he began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the chairs of them that sold doves.

[16] And he suffered not that any man should carry a vessel through the temple; [17] And he taught, saying to them: Is it not written, My house shall be called the house of prayer to all nations? But you have made it a den of thieves. [18] Which when the chief priests and the scribes had heard, they sought how they might destroy him. For they feared him, because the whole multitude was in admiration at his doctrine. [19] And when evening was come, he went forth out of the city. [20] And when they passed by in the morning they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.

The Temple of the New Covenant is Jesus Himself.  

Jesus answered, and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. [20] The Jews then said: Six and forty years was this temple in building; and wilt thou raise it up in three days?

When Jesus dies on the cross, the veil to the Holy of Holies was torn from top to bottom. That portion was the most Holy part of the Temple. God tore that veil to show that the Old Covenant was ended.  

And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

[51] And behold the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top even to the bottom, and the earth quaked, and the rocks were rent.

Zionist Christians are a little retarded.  Why would a Christian have anything to do with the Old Covenant? It brings only judgment and death because it reveals a lack of Faith in Jesus Christ.

[pas]

Blue Ocean wrote:

So Pas you have adopted the enlightened reason of ´Die Hollanders` ? Nice to see we brought some civilisation to the inboorlingen :lol:

 :lol:  :lol: Yeah, you never should have come with your advanced technology and culture (mainly in service of jewry), we had it good walking around naked and chopping off heads. :lol:

It does baffle me however how a man of supposed reason turns to the hitler leadership for salvation........., its like a white guy joining the black power organisation in the usa, weird aye? :lol:

 :lol: By looking at both sides of the''Hitler-debate'' I can't honestly stick to my initial preconcieved notion that that German's were these evil racist jew killing people who want to rule a white world with an iron fist.It's jew lies.

Your comparison is bit off I think.First of I'm a halfbreed so I don't fit 100% in either group.But if I honestly look at which group I would fit better in, it's pretty logical:I speak Dutch (language is an important aspect), I eat Dutch (A day without potatoes is very rare), I'm mostly raised by my white mother and grandparents and I grew up in a small town comprised of 99.9% white people.Not to say Molluccan ''culture'' (what it's become) is all bad, it's just when I'd have to choose between the two I'd fit in better with Whites than Non-Whites.Aside from my appearence :lol: (I look like a 30 year old Mowgli from "Jungle book'' )

Isn´t it also weird that the B´nai Brith was left untouched all throughout the nazi leadership?

Don't know about that.As far as I know all freemasonic societies were banned even the German ultra-nationalist Thule and Vril.I do know that the mossad started out as an emigration service and they did work together with the SS and gestapo.They were to select the able jews out of the concentration camps for emigration.

[Destroyer911]

HItler banned freemasonry.

"On Hitler's rise to power, the ten Grand Lodges of Germany were dissolved.3 Many among the prominent dignitaries and members of the Order were sent to concentration camps. The Gestapo seized the membership lists of the Grand Lodges and looted their libraries and collections of Masonic objects. Much of this loot was then exhibited in an "Anti-Masonic Exposition" inaugurated in 1937 by Herr Dr. Joseph Goebbels in Munich. The Exposition included completely furnished Masonic temples.  

"The persecution was carried over into Austria when the country was captured by the Nazis. The Masters of the various Vienna lodges were immediately confined in the most notorious concentration camps, including the horrible living hell at Dachau in Bavaria. The same procedure was repeated when Hitler took over Czechoslovakia, then Poland. Immediately after conquering Holland and Belgium, the Nazis ordered the dissolution of the lodges in those nations. It was also Point One on the agenda of Major Quisling in Norway. It may be taken as part of the same ugly picture that General Franco of Spain in 1940 sentenced all Freemasons in his realm automatically to ten years in prison. When France fell last June, the Vichy government caused the two Masonic bodies of France, the Grand Orient and the Grande Loge to be dissolved, their property being seized and sold at auction." 4  

Hitler's hatred of Freemasonry is clearly documented.5 In 1931 Nazi party officials were given a "Guide and Instructional Letter" that stated, "The natural hostility of the peasant against the Jews, and his hostility against the Freemason as a servant of the Jew, must be worked up to a frenzy." 6 On April 7, 1933, Hermann Goering—who once considered becoming a freemason—held an interview with Grand Master von Heeringen of the "Land" Grand Lodge of Germany, telling him there was no place for Freemasonry in Nazi Germany. 7 The Nazi Primer, the Official Handbook for the Schooling of Hitler Youth, attacked freemasons, marxists, and the Christian churches for their "mistaken teaching of the equality of all men" by which they were said to be seeking power over the whole world. 8  
Hitler, in his own words:  

"To strengthen his political position he [the Jew] tries to tear down the racial and civil barriers which for a time continue to restrain him at every step. To this end he fights with all the tenacity innate in him for religious tolerance—and in Freemasonry, which has succumbed to him completely, he has an excellent instrument with which to fight for his aims and put them across. The governing circles and the higher strata of the political and economic bourgeoisie are brought into his nets by the strings of Freemasonry, and never need to suspect what is happening.  
"Only the deeper and broader strata of the people as such, or rather that class which is beginning to wake up and fight for its rights and freedom, cannot yet be sufficiently taken in by these methods. But this is more necessary than anything else; for the Jew feels that the possibility of his rising to a dominant role exists only if there is someone ahead of him to clear the way; and this someone he thinks he can recognize in the bourgeoisie, in their broadest strata in fact. The glovemakers and linen weavers, however, cannot be caught in the fine net of Freemasonry; no, for them coarser but no less drastic means must be employed. Thus Freemasonry is joined by a second weapon in the service of the Jews: the press. With all his perseverance and dexterity he seizes possession of it. With it he slowly begins to grip and ensnare, to guide and to push all public life, since he is in a position to create and direct that power which, under the name of 'public opinion,' is better known today than a few decades ago." 9  

"While the international world Jew slowly but surely strangles us, our so-called patriots shouted against a man and a system which dared in one corner of the earth at least, to free themselves from the Jewish-Masonic embrace and oppose a nationalistic resistance to this international world poisoning." 10  

"The general pacifistic paralysis of the national instinct of self preservation begun by Freemasonry in the circles of the so-called intelligentsia is transmitted to the broad masses and above all to the bourgeoisie by the activity of the big papers which today are always Jewish." 11  
"The prohibition of Masonic secret societies, the persecution of the supra-national press as well as the continuous demolition of international Marxism, and, conversely, the steady reinforcement of the Fascist state conception, will in the course of the years cause the Italian Government to serve the interests of the Italian people more and more, without regard for the hissing of the Jewish world hydra."

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/hitler.html



Illuministic Communism the Goal

The goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic Communism and to enslave all of mankind under the thumb of a Jewish master race led by a world messiah who is to rule from Jerusalem.

The Jewish Tribune of New York, on October 28, 1927, stated; "Masonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic Ritual and what is left?"

The well known rabbi, Isaac Wise, was emphatic when he concluded: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."

Masonic Holy Bible (or what I call The Holy Masonic Jew Bible )
http://compare.ebay.com/like/3208765902 ... s&var=sbar

[Destroyer911]

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Join the live chat:  http://truthhertz.chatango.com/

[pas]

Blue Ocean regarding to the B'nai B'rith during National Socialist Germany, check this out:



http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/04/03/hitler-gave-freemasonic-jews-the-boot/

Thanks to ZCF for providing the information.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

The Rosicrucian Order and atheism, according to Bill Cooper

[youtube:1n23fe84]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYn83H6v_7M[/youtube]1n23fe84]

[Destroyer911]

Bill Cooper - It's not the Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fHmWcRZ72A

Deuteronomy 13
Worshiping Other Gods
 1 [a]If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the LORD your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

[Destroyer911]

The Nazis Gave Rothschild Bankers The Boot
Posted on April 5, 2012 by ZionCrimeFactory


Despite the frivilous claims of foolhardy patriotards and assorted Jew defenders who often masquerade as "anti-Zionists," the Nazis were not — in any way — covertly funded by, or in cahoots with, Rothschild bankers. On the contrary, the German, French and Austrian branches of the House of Rothschild were effectively dissolved and extirpated by Hitler. Quite a bizarre and counterproductive action of a "Rothschild agent" wouldn't you say?
http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/04/05/ ... -the-boot/

[GordZilla]

The Nazis Gave Rothschild Bankers The Boot
Posted on April 5, 2012 by ZionCrimeFactory


Despite the frivilous claims of foolhardy patriotards and assorted Jew defenders who often masquerade as "anti-Zionists," the Nazis were not — in any way — covertly funded by, or in cahoots with, Rothschild bankers. On the contrary, the German, French and Austrian branches of the House of Rothschild were effectively dissolved and extirpated by Hitler. Quite a bizarre and counterproductive action of a "Rothschild agent" wouldn't you say?
http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/04/05/ ... -the-boot/

You will find most here agree with you, I am one of them.

[Christopher Marlowe]

Bill Cooper - It's not the Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fHmWcRZ72A

Deuteronomy 13
Worshiping Other Gods
 1 [a]If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
 6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the LORD your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

Matthew 21:
Hear ye another parable. There was a man an householder, who planted a vineyard, and made a hedge round about it, and dug in it a press, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen; and went into a strange country. [34] And when the time of the fruits drew nigh, he sent his servants to the husbandmen that they might receive the fruits thereof. [35] And the husbandmen laying hands on his servants, beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

[36] Again he sent other servants more than the former; and they did to them in like manner. [37] And last of all he sent to them his son, saying: They will reverence my son. [38] But the husbandmen seeing the son, said among themselves: This is the heir: come, let us kill him, and we shall have his inheritance. [39] And taking him, they cast him forth out of the vineyard, and killed him. [40] When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do to those husbandmen?

[41] They say to him: He will bring those evil men to an evil end; and will let out his vineyard to other husbandmen, that shall render him the fruit in due season. [42] Jesus saith to them: Have you never read in the Scriptures: The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? By the Lord this has been done; and it is wonderful in our eyes. [43] Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof. [44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone, shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it shall grind him to powder. [45] And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they knew that he spoke of them.

[46] And seeking to lay hands on him, they feared the multitudes: because they held him as a prophet.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Ephesians 2

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

[blueocean]

Nr 1:  I deduct from the statements of Pas and destroyer911 the weird fact that somehow these and maybe other atheists have replaced jesus with their savior Hitler and the bible with mein Kampf WTF???


to them somehow the zioncrimefactory ( never heard from that site until they mentioned it, who runs it? )is the holy of holies among websites( nice logo.....) , this website uses Time magazine and the new york times to prove their points....... lol.



And in the article The Nazis Gave Rothschild Bankers The Boot,  the sources cited basically come up with a story that the house of rotchild was demolished and no longer has much power.........

for this debate I listened to  http://www.cybersage.net/torrents-detai ... 3092&hit=1       Spingola Speaks 2011-05-03: Condit + Yeager: Adolf Hitler *CF*

well:  Yeager Condit debate so far: I have listened to the first 15 minutes of the debate, in that time Caroline has been shouting and squeeking, not letting the other party speak and taking up most of the speaking time, all the while ridiculing the other party lol


Maybe atheists need worship?  :lol:

[pas]

BlueOcean wrote:

I deduct from the statements of Pas and destroyer911 the weird fact that somehow these and maybe other atheists have replaced jesus with their savior Hitler and the bible with mein Kampf WTF???

Were the statements that I made concerning Hitler factual or dogmatic?And I do like an answer to this question because I don't like and agree with the implications you make.

to them somehow the zioncrimefactory ( never heard from that site until they mentioned it, who runs it? )is the holy of holies among websites( nice logo.....) , this website uses Time magazine and the new york times to prove their points....... lol.

ZionCrimeFactory is run by the creator of the "Israel did 911" article that first appeared here on TIU, he's also known as checkitb4uwreckit and MonkeySeeMonkeyDo.And if there's dis-info spread there, please, provide with debunking material because it's very imprtant information imo.Does the Swastika give you the shivers? :shock: So you agree with the Jews that's it's an evil symbol which represents the most murderous regime ever known to mankind.  :lol:
If you have some evidence that that 1937 Times article contains lies, please, let us know.

And in the article The Nazis Gave Rothschild Bankers The Boot, the sources cited basically come up with a story that the house of rotchild was demolished and no longer has much power.........

No, that's not true.The article makes clear that the Rothschild family was dealt heavy blows by the Nazi's, nowhere does it state that the family ''was demolished'' and ''no longer has much power''.

well: Yeager Condit debate so far: I have listened to the first 15 minutes of the debate, in that time Caroline has been shouting and squeeking, not letting the other party speak and taking up most of the speaking time, all the while ridiculing the other party lol

15 whole minutes! :up: I guess you're an expert now ,hey! :lol:
I do have to agree the first time I listened this debate I also had a problem with the way Yeager came across because Condit was very relaxed and polite.At the time I also sided with Condit but mainly because of my preconcieved notion that the Nazi's were evil.But after this debate I was curious about the other side and I started to further check out;Yeager, Spingola, Weber etc. and I haven't been able to refute their position.

Maybe atheists need worship? :lol:

First off, Spingola and Yeager are Christians so you don't have to be an Atheist to accept political incorrect facts concerning Hitler.
Second, I notice you are very judgemental about me and my views while you conveniently hide your own.

Good luck doing your homework.

[Christopher Marlowe]

I do have to agree the first time I listened this debate I also had a problem with the way Yeager came across because Condit was very relaxed and polite.At the time I also sided with Condit but mainly because of my preconcieved notion that the Nazi's were evil.But after this debate I was curious about the other side and I started to further check out;Yeager, Spingola, Weber etc. and I haven't been able to refute their position.

I felt that Yeager was totally rude, but that she also totally won the debate. I left similar comments on another thread where this was discussed.  

Hitler as a tool of the Rothchilds is another Jewish fairy tale.  The arguments in support are so weak. I'm really surprised that Condit cannot see through them.  Perhaps he has invested so much time that he would hate to admit that it has all been a waste.  

Hitler failed because he made gross errors in judgment. The first, IMHO, was to believe that he could fight the devil without the aid of God.  Also, he should not have allowed the escape at Dunkirk; he should have taken the fight hard to England and forced a surrender early; he should have cut off England from ME oil; he should have prevented Japan from attacking the US - they should have attacked the USSR; he should not have declared war on the US; he should not have invaded the USSR until England had surrendered; he should not have micro-managed his generals...

All of the errors in judgment are probably a result of the first error.  But otherwise, I think Hitler's heart was in the right place.

[Whaler]

I do have to agree the first time I listened this debate I also had a problem with the way Yeager came across because Condit was very relaxed and polite.At the time I also sided with Condit but mainly because of my preconcieved notion that the Nazi's were evil.But after this debate I was curious about the other side and I started to further check out;Yeager, Spingola, Weber etc. and I haven't been able to refute their position.

I felt that Yeager was totally rude, but that she also totally won the debate. I left similar comments on another thread where this was discussed.  

Hitler as a tool of the Rothchilds is another Jewish fairy tale.  The arguments in support are so weak. I'm really surprised that Condit cannot see through them.  Perhaps he has invested so much time that he would hate to admit that it has all been a waste.  

Hitler failed because he made gross errors in judgment. The first, IMHO, was to believe that he could fight the devil without the aid of God.  Also, he should not have allowed the escape at Dunkirk; he should have taken the fight hard to England and forced a surrender early; he should have cut off England from ME oil; he should have prevented Japan from attacking the US - they should have attacked the USSR; he should not have declared war on the US; he should not have invaded the USSR until England had surrendered; he should not have micro-managed his generals...

All of the errors in judgment are probably a result of the first error.  But otherwise, I think Hitler's heart was in the right place.

Yup I agree.

 Final analysis:

The "Hitler as a tool of the Rothchilds" theory is horseshit. I think it helped some anti-Zionists avoid the "Nazi" canard by parroting it though. I think it's time people put their big boy pants on and face the facts...

[Destroyer911]

Hitler Was a "Pagan Idol," Says Pope to Jews in Berlin


Praises Growing Trust Between Judaism and the Church




BERLIN, SEPT. 22, 2011 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI referred to Adolf Hitler as a "pagan idol" today as he addressed a small group of Jewish representatives in Berlin.

The Pope referred to his visit -- part of his four-day tour of Germany -- as bringing him to a "central place of remembrance, the appalling remembrance that it was from here that the Shoah, the annihilation of our Jewish fellow citizens in Europe, was planned and organized."

The Holy Father is on his third trip to his homeland as Pope, though his first state visit.

The Pontiff spoke of the "Nazi reign of terror" as being based on a "racist myth, part of which was the rejection of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Jesus Christ and of all who believe in him."

"The supposedly 'almighty' Adolf Hitler was a pagan idol, who wanted to take the place of the biblical God, the Creator and Father of all men," he said.

The Pope warned that "refusal to heed this one God always makes people heedless of human dignity as well."

He said the images from the concentration camps at the end of the war show "what man is capable of when he rejects God, and what the face of a people can look like when it denies this God."

Common hope

Benedict XVI went on to highlight some of the signs today of a "real blossoming of Jewish life in Germany." He also praised a "deepening dialogue of the Catholic Church with Judaism."

The Pope proposed as well that "we Christians must also become increasingly aware of our own inner affinity with Judaism. For Christians, there can be no rupture in salvation history. Salvation comes from the Jews."

The Holy Father called for dialogue between the reading of the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament.

"This dialogue should serve to strengthen our common hope in God in the midst of an increasingly secularized society," he proposed. "Without this hope, society loses its humanity."
http://www.zenit.org/article-33497?l=english

Raw Video: Pope Visits Western Wall in Jerusalem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg3QR3z5_Uw

[Christopher Marlowe]

Hitler Was a "Pagan Idol," Says Pope to Jews in Berlin

Praises Growing Trust Between Judaism and the Church

BERLIN, SEPT. 22, 2011 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI referred to Adolf Hitler as a "pagan idol" today as he addressed a small group of Jewish representatives in Berlin.

The Pope referred to his visit -- part of his four-day tour of Germany -- as bringing him to a "central place of remembrance, the appalling remembrance that it was from here that the Shoah, the annihilation of our Jewish fellow citizens in Europe, was planned and organized."

The Holy Father is on his third trip to his homeland as Pope, though his first state visit.

The Pontiff spoke of the "Nazi reign of terror" as being based on a "racist myth, part of which was the rejection of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of Jesus Christ and of all who believe in him."

"The supposedly 'almighty' Adolf Hitler was a pagan idol, who wanted to take the place of the biblical God, the Creator and Father of all men," he said.

The Pope warned that "refusal to heed this one God always makes people heedless of human dignity as well."

He said the images from the concentration camps at the end of the war show "what man is capable of when he rejects God, and what the face of a people can look like when it denies this God."

Common hope

Benedict XVI went on to highlight some of the signs today of a "real blossoming of Jewish life in Germany." He also praised a "deepening dialogue of the Catholic Church with Judaism."

The Pope proposed as well that "we Christians must also become increasingly aware of our own inner affinity with Judaism. For Christians, there can be no rupture in salvation history. Salvation comes from the Jews."

The Holy Father called for dialogue between the reading of the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament.

"This dialogue should serve to strengthen our common hope in God in the midst of an increasingly secularized society," he proposed. "Without this hope, society loses its humanity."
http://www.zenit.org/article-33497?l=english

Raw Video: Pope Visits Western Wall in Jerusalem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg3QR3z5_Uw

The "pope" is a heretic.  First of all, Benedict denies that the Jews killed Jesus.  

The pope has written a detailed and personal repudiation of the idea that the Jews were collectively responsible for the death of Jesus.

In a book to be published next week, he concludes that those responsible for the crucifixion were the "Temple aristocracy" and supporters of the rebel Barabbas.

Dismissing the centuries-old interpretation of St John's assertion that it was "the Jews" who demanded Barabbas's release and Jesus's execution, the pontiff asks: "How could the whole people have been present at this moment to clamour for Jesus's death?"

[As far as that goes, how could any group of people ever be present to do anything?  What a ridiculous argument!]

The notion of collective Jewish guilt, which bedevilled relations between the two faiths, was disowned by the Roman Catholic church at the second Vatican council in 1965. But this is thought to be the first time a pope has carried out such a detailed, theological demolition of the concept.

It is particularly significant coming from the pen of a German-born pontiff who has more than once been at the eye of a storm in Jewish-Catholic relations. Elan Steinberg, vice-president of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, told Reuters: "This is a major step forward. This is a personal repudiation of the theological underpinning of centuries of antisemitism."

Benedict's analysis featured in extracts from the second volume of his work, Jesus of Nazareth, released on Wednesday by the Vatican's publishers. The first volume was published four years ago. The second, due out on 10 March, deals with Jesus's later life, death and the resurrection that is central to Christian belief.

The pope also focuses on another phrase from the gospel often used against Jews. St Matthew describes the crowd as saying: "His blood be on us and on our children."

Benedict writes that Jesus's death was not about punishment, but salvation. The blood he shed "does not cry out for vengeance and punishment, it brings reconciliation," he writes.

But the Gospel of Matthew says that the Jews are responsible for Jesus' death:

And the governor answering, said to them: Whether will you of the two to be released unto you? But they said, Barabbas. [22] Pilate saith to them: What shall I do then with Jesus that is called Christ? They say all: Let him be crucified. [23] The governor said to them: Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying: Let him be crucified. [24] And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it. [25] And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.

St. Peter said that the Jews killed Jesus:

But Peter standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and spoke to them: Ye men of Judea, and all you that dwell in Jerusalem, be this known to you, and with your ears receive my words....Therefore let all the house of Israel know most certainly, that God hath made both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus, whom you have crucified.

St. Paul said that the Jews killed Jesus:

For you, brethren, are become followers of the churches of God which are in Judea, in Christ Jesus: for you also have suffered the same things from your own coutrymen, even as they have from the Jews, [15] Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men;

It would be very easy to go on quoting the Bible to show that the Jews killed Jesus, but I think that I have provided sufficient proof.  If the "Pope" contradicts the Bible, then the "Pope" is WRONG. Period.  

Benedict is not the first "pope" to pronounce this heresy.  It started at Vatican II:

The Pope's new book isn't exactly revolutionary. His statements essentially reinforce the Nostra Aetate document, which the Second Vatican Council issued back in 1965. This document regulates the Church's relations with other religions. It denied collective Jewish guilt and opened up Jewish-Catholic dialogue after centuries of distrust and open anti-Semitism. The document states in part:    

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ; still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. [...] Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone."

Benedict's predecessor, John Paul II, also worked to improve Jewish-Catholic relations, and was the first pope to visit the synagogue of Rome back in 1986.

This is another example of a heresy being promoted by Vatican II and carried on by the subsequent "Popes".  I am putting "popes" in "quotes" because technically, a heretic cannot be a pope.  

John Paul was not only the first "pope" to visit a synagogue, but it was during his reign that the Vatican recognized the vampire state of israel.  

The herectical post-Vatican II changes cannot be said to be part of the true Faith, since they are contrary to what the Church taught for nearly two millennia.  

As for "Salvation comes from the Jews", the Christian understanding of this Salvation is Jesus Christ. We Christians don't need anything from Jews. We have everything we need in Jesus.

All of this promotion of the "shoa-business" and other zionist garbage is not Christian.  Like pastor Haggee, they are promoting a false Church that is afraid of offending their Jewish masters.  Zionism is anti-Christ.

The New Testament teaches that the promise of Abraham is a spiritual promise, and that his heirs are the Christians.
Pope Pius XII taught that the Old Covenant died on the Cross. The Jewish Covenant is no longer in effect.  Their Law is no longer valid: It saves no one.  
St. Paul taught that the Law was given to show us the power of sin; The Law showed mankind that we need Jesus for salvation.  
Anyone who teaches that the old covenant is still valid is not Christian.  For if people could be saved though the old law, there would be no need for Jesus Christ's sacrifice.  

All of what I am saying was well understood before Vatican II.  This zionist anti-Christ false ecumenism is heresy, and no Pope would have dared to pronounce this nonsense 100 years ago.  The Book of Revelation prophesied that Jerusalem would be the home of wicked people in these days:
 

Rev 11:8-9: And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified. [9] And they of the tribes, and peoples, and tongues, and nations, shall see their bodies for three days and a half: and they shall not suffer their bodies to be laid in sepulchres.

Jesus warned us that things would get very tricky at the end times:

For in those days shall be such tribulations, as were not from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, neither shall be. [20] And unless the Lord had shortened the days, no flesh should be saved: but for the sake of the elect which he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

[21] And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; lo, he is here: do not believe. [22] For there will rise up false Christs and false prophets, and they shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce (if it were possible) even the elect. [23] Take you heed therefore; behold I have foretold you all things.

I think that a lot, if not all of Giuliani's thoughts on Christianity are confused by this post-Vatican II zionist false ecumenism.

[Destroyer911]

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

As for "Salvation comes from the Jews", the Christian understanding of this Salvation is Jesus Christ. We Christians don't need anything from Jews. We have everything we need in Jesus.

So do you hate your family like jewsus said to do?
Luke 14:26 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

I already posted these loving words of jewsus but nobody responded so I'll post them again.
 
Matthew 10:34-39
King James Version (KJV)

 34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

 38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

 39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.


So will you admit that you worship the jew god? Or is your jewsus a white european? :roll:

Praise Yahweh the    god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel)

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Jesus mythers exposed

[youtube:2hkwul9t]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hgX6w4U-2o[/youtube]2hkwul9t]

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Luke 14
It is best to read this in its entirety.  At that time, to join with Christ as a disciple had to be full commitment. If a person would join, and then come up with an excuse to leave Jesus due to "family" issues, then they should not join from the beginning.  It seems to me at least "hate" means "not love" and it fits with what Jesus says to his disciples. Basically, if you "love your family" and can't be without them, don't join up.  Don't be afraid to die, don't be afraid to suffer, and don't drop out because of your loved ones -- this is in the parable describing the Great Supper and the guests that "fall away" with excuses. The entire message is simple and straightforward. The decision must be made from the beginning to the end considering all that it involves.

Luke 14

 1   And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.
 2   And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy.
 3   And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?
 4   And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;
 5   And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
 6   And they could not answer him again to these things.
 7   And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.
 8   When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
 9   And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
 10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
 11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
 13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
 14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
 15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.
 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
 25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
 26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
 29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
 30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
 32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
 33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
 34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
 35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

[Christopher Marlowe]

D911: This is the last time I will respond to you if you continue to mock the name of Jesus. I don't want to be responsible for you dragging yourself down to hell.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

As for "Salvation comes from the Jews", the Christian understanding of this Salvation is Jesus Christ. We Christians don't need anything from Jews. We have everything we need in Jesus.

The first thing that you need to understand is that Jesus spoke in parables.

And his disciples came and said to him: Why speakest thou to them in parables?

[11] Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given. [12] For he that hath, to him shall be given, and he shall abound: but he that hath not, from him shall be taken away that also which he hath. [13] Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. [14] And the prophecy of Isaias is fulfilled in them, who saith: By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand: and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive. [15] For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

So everyone is TOLD the Truth about God, but wicked people's hearts will not allow them to understand it.

We can also see in this passage how Jesus interprets the OT prophet Isaiah. Jesus was the promised Messiah that the people of Israel were expecting.  Their writings provide a CONTEXT in which Jesus could communicate to them the Truth about God.  

Think about Context. Why are these words black against a pale blue background? Obviously because we would not see them if the words were the same color as the background.

Pronounce this word: read.

Did you say reed or red?  You can't say which is the proper pronunciation without CONTEXT.  

Is "bass" a fish or a deep voice?  We derive MEANING from Context.

The Holy Bible is ALL ABOUT JESUS CHRIST. God wrote that whole book to tell us about Jesus because God is Well Pleased by His Son, and also because God so Loved us that He wanted to show us the Way to Eternal Life.  Jesus is The Way.  

The OT provides the context against which the life of Jesus is played out.  This provides a greater understand of what Jesus is all about, and it also POINTS TO JESUS over and over and over.  The Bible talks about Jesus ALL THE TIME.  We can clearly see Jesus in the Bible because of the Context which the bible provides.  

Context is provided through Repetition, which is central to the structure, stories, prophecies and style of the Bible.  

The basic structure of the Bible is the OT and NT.  The OT tells about creation, the fall of mankind, and man's continual struggle against his own sinful nature. The Law is given in the OT, but it doesn't save anybody.  The law works to show that, even if God tells us exactly what to do, we still fail because of our sinful nature. The NT tells about the New Covenant that is established in Jesus Christ, and we see that He is the Way to Eternal Life.

The Stories of the Bible employ repetition by FORESHADOWING the LIFE of Jesus.  For example, in the OT we learn about Abraham and Isaac:

After these things, God tempted Abraham, and said to him: Abraham, Abraham. And he answered: Here I am. [2] He said to him: Take thy only begotten son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and go into the land of vision: and there thou shalt offer him for an holocaust upon one of the mountains which I will shew thee.

[Abraham is going to offer up his son Isaac, which prefigures God offering up His only Son, Jesus.]

[3] So Abraham rising up in the night, saddled his ass: and took with him two young men, and Isaac his son: and when he had cut wood for the holocaust he went his way to the place which God had commanded him. [4] And on the third day, lifting up his eyes, he saw the place afar off. [5] And he said to his young men: Stay you here with the ass: I and the boy will go with speed as far as yonder, and after we have worshipped, will return to you.

[1] God tempted: God tempteth no man to evil, James 1. 13; but by trial and experiment maketh known to the world, and to ourselves, what we are, as here by this trial the singular faith and obedience of Abraham was made manifest.

[6] And he took the wood for the holocaust, and laid it upon Isaac his son:

[See how the son is carrying the wood, just as Jesus carried His Cross...]

and he himself carried in his hands fire and a sword. And as they two went on together, [7] Isaac said to his father: My father. And he answered: What wilt thou, son? Behold, saith he, fire and wood: where is the victim for the holocaust? [8] And Abraham said: God will provide himself a victim for an holocaust, my son.

[God himself provide Himself a Victim: Jesus is God; Jesus is the Victim]

So they went on together. [9] And they came to the place which God had shewn him, where he built an altar, and laid the wood in order upon it: and when he had bound Isaac his son, he laid him on the altar upon the pile of wood. [10] And he put forth his hand and took the sword, to sacrifice his son.

[Isaac is laid upon the wood to be sacrificed just as Jesus would be sacrificed.]

[11] And behold an angel of the Lord from heaven called to him, saying: Abraham, Abraham. And he answered: Here I am. [12] And he said to him: Lay not thy hand upon the boy, neither do thou any thing to him: now I know that thou fearest God, and hast not spared thy only begotten son for my sake.

[But see here: God did not desire that Abraham actually kill his son; rather God wanted to show Abraham's faith that God could rise Isaac from the dead. See Heb 11:17-20; By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered Isaac: and he that had received the promises, offered up his only begotten son; [18] (To whom it was said: In Isaac shall thy seed be called.) [19] Accounting that God is able to raise up even from the dead. Whereupon also he received him for a parable. [20] By faith also of things to come, Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau.

[19] For a parable: That is, as a figure of Christ, slain and coming to life again. ]

[13] Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw behind his back a ram amongst the briers sticking fast by the horns, which he took and offered for a holocaust instead of his son. [14] And he called the name of that place, The Lord seeth. Whereupon even to this day it is said: In the mountain the Lord will see. [15] And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, saying:

[16] By my own self have I sworn, saith the Lord: because thou hast done this thing, and hast not spared thy only begotten son for my sake: [17] I will bless thee, and I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven, and as the sand that is by the sea shore: thy seed shall possess the gates of their enemies. [18] And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast obeyed my voice.

In a similar way we see that Jesus fulfills all of the Prophecies that foretold of the Messiah.  This point is interesting because I have noticed that Giuliani, in his efforts to show that Christian worship is not valid, will take up arguments that are used by the Jews. For example, there is the famous prophecy from Isaiah that Jesus would be born of a Virgin:

Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God either unto the depth of hell, or unto the height above. [12] And Achaz said: I will not ask, and I will not tempt the Lord. [13] And he said: Hear ye therefore, O house of David: Is it a small thing for you to be grievous to men, that you are grievous to my God also? [14] Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.

When Michael was on G's show, this argument was used to show that the Christians wrongly interpreted the OT scripture.  [I don't remember if it was G himself or if it was the caller who brought this up, but G was in agreement...I thought Michael would catch them on this because the Orthodox Christians are more fond of the Septuagint.] This argument is an old Jewish lie that shows their wickedness. Back in the 3rd century BC, the children of Israel were widely dispersed, and few spoke Hebrew.  The teachers of the scriptures were concerned that their people would not be able to understand their own Holy Book, so they translated them into Greek, which was the common language of the day.  This translation is called the Septuagint.  It is this version of Isaiah that says "a virgin will conceive and bear a son", and which refers to the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God.  

After Jesus was born, was crucified, rose from the dead and ascended into heaven, the people who believed in Jesus began to see that the scriptures pointed to Him all over the place.  The Jews hated Jesus so much that they deliberately changed their own scriptures to avoid referencing Jesus Christ.  So they re-wrote their Hebrew scriptures with new markings, and this is called the Masoretic Text.  So now they say that Isaiah read: "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: a maiden is with child and she will bear a son, and will call his name Immanuel."

The retardedness of this argument is that we are supposed to believe that the top scholars of Hebrew and Greek, who were doing the translation of their most sacred scripture, didn't know the difference between "maiden" and "virgin".  As if they were translating their most holy book, and they got to Isaiah, and they said:
"Who should do this translation into Greek?"
"Let's get Billy, the boy who works out in the warehouse."
"Billy?  He's an idiot.  He doesn't even know what the word "virgin" means...."

Another example of this can be seen in Psalm 22.  The Septuagint shows that is was a Prophecy of Jesus on the Cross:

Dogs surround me;
a pack of evildoers closes in on me.
They have pierced my hands and my feet

But the Jews hated Jesus so much, that they changed the Psalm to read:

"For dogs encircled me, An evil congregation surrounded me; Like a lion my hands and my feet."

Like a lion my hands and feet?  Does that make any sense? That is how desperate the Jews are.  But sadly, in his efforts to fight against Christ, G has taken up the ridiculous arguments of the Jews.  Sad.  G claims to despise the works of the Jews, but in his anger, G is fighting against Jesus Christ, Who the Jews see as their greatest enemy, and Who has ALREADY TRIUMPHED.  If a person truly hates the wickedness of the Jews, then he has no better friend than Jesus Christ.  

We can also see that the Bible uses repetition in its style: Biblical Poetry. The poetry of the Bible will give a phrase and then repeat it slightly differently. For example:

Wash me yet more from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. [5] For I know my iniquity, and my sin is always before me.

But judgment shall be revealed as water, and justice as a mighty torrent.

He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them: and the Lord shall deride them.

This gives us insight into how we come to understand and how we preserve meaning through repetition.  

So do you hate your family like [Jesus] said to do?
Luke 14:26 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

="Destroyer911"I already posted these loving words of [Jesus] but nobody responded so I'll post them again.
Matthew 10:34-39
King James Version (KJV)
 34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
 38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
 39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

This is a parable that tells us how we are to regard our earthly life. Of course we are supposed to honor our Father and Mother, but not if that means disobeying God.  We must put God first.  Say a girl is boy is born into a house where his father is an ardent zionist: if the boy comes to understand God, then that boy will come to hate what his father does.  And the same goes for hating one's own life: Jesus doesn't want us to kill ourselves, but rather that we should DIE to our own sinful nature.  For if we die to ourselves, then we are born into eternal life:

What shall we say, then? shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2] God forbid. For we that are dead to sin, how shall we live any longer therein? [3] Know you not that all we, who are baptized in Christ Jesus, are baptized in his death? [4] For we are buried together with him by baptism into death; that as Christ is risen from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also may walk in newness of life. [5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin may be destroyed, to the end that we may serve sin no longer. [7] For he that is dead is justified from sin. [8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall live also together with Christ: [9] Knowing that Christ rising again from the dead, dieth now no more, death shall no more have dominion over him. [10] For in that he died to sin, he died once; but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God:

[6] Our old man: Our corrupt state, subject to sin and concupiscence, coming to us from Adam, is called our old man, as our state, reformed in and by Christ, is called the new man.

[6] Body of sin: The vices and sins, which then ruled in us, are named the body of sin.

So will you admit that you worship the jew god? Or is your [Jesus] a white european? :roll:

The Jews are in rebellion, far from God, because they killed His Only Son, Jesus Christ.  

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath, fitted for destruction, [23] That he might shew the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he hath prepared unto glory? [24] Even us, whom also he hath called, nor only of the Jews, but also of the Gentiles. [25] As in Osee he saith: I will call that which was not my people, my people; and her that was not beloved, beloved; and her that had not obtained mercy, one that hath obtained mercy.

[21] The potter: This similitude is used only to shew that we are not to dispute with our Maker, nor to reason with him why he does not give as much grace to one as to another; for since the whole lump of our clay is vitiated by sin, it is owing to his goodness and mercy, that he makes out of it so many vessels of honor; and it is no more than just, that others, in punishment of their unrepented sins, should be given up to be vessels of dishonor.

[26] And it shall be, in the place where it was said unto them, You are not my people; there they shall be called the sons of the living God. [27] And Isaias crieth out concerning Israel: If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved. [28] For he shall finish his word, and cut it short in justice; because a short word shall the Lord make upon the earth. [29] And as Isaias foretold: Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been made as Sodom, and we had been like unto Gomorrha. [30] What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who followed not after justice, have attained to justice, even the justice that is of faith.

[27] A remnant: That is, a small number only of the children of Israel shall be converted and saved. How perversely is this text quoted for the salvation of men of all religions, when it speaks only of the converts of the children of Israel!

[31] But Israel, by following after the law of justice, is not come unto the law of justice. [32] Why so? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were of works. For they stumbled at the stumblingstone. [33] As it is written: Behold I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and a rock of scandal; and whosoever believeth in him shall not be confounded.

Praise Yahweh the    god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel)

Christians are the Children of Israel, the spiritual descendents of Abraham:

And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.

It doesn't do a person any good to be a PHYSICAL descendent of Abraham:

And in those days cometh John the Baptist preaching in the desert of Judea. [2] And saying: Do penance: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. [3] For this is he that was spoken of by Isaias the prophet, saying: A voice of one crying in the desert, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight his paths. [4] And the same John had his garment of camels' hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins: and his meat was locusts and wild honey. [5] Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judea, and all the country about Jordan:

[2] Do penance: Paenitentiam agite. Which word, according to the use of the scriptures and the holy fathers, does not only signify repentance and amendment of life, but also punishing past sins by fasting, and such like penitential exercises.

[6] And were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins. [7] And seeing many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them: Ye brood of vipers, who hath shewed you to flee from the wrath to come? [8] Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of penance. [9] And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. [10] For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire.

[7] Pharisees and Sadducees: These were two sects among the Jews: of which the former were for the most part notorious hypocrites; the latter, a kind of freethinkers in matters of religion.

[11] I indeed baptize you in the water unto penance, but he that shall come after me, is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear; he shall baptize you in the Holy Ghost and fire. [12] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his floor and gather his wheat into the barn; but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.

As CSR pointed out, it doesn't do to take a little quote and try and build a case around that.  Rather one should look into the CONTEXT that provides the MEANING for the particular word or phrase.  

These little arguments, trying to show that Jesus is a zionist, or that Christians are Jews, can be shown to be nonsense when we look at the entirety of the bible.
Why did the Jews always fight against Jesus?
Why did the Jews want to kill Jesus?
Why did they change their own book in order to blot out his name? They even show their intention in the Talmud:

Since the word Jeschua means "Savior," the name Jesus rarely occurs in the Jewish books. It is almost always abbreviated to Jeschu, which is maliciously taken as if it were composed of the initial letters of the three words Immach Schemo Vezikro - "May his name and memory be blotted out."

Jews hate the Cross because that is the symbol of Jesus.  Jews fight against the public display of the Cross because it hurts their horns to look on the cross.  Jews hate Jesus so much that they change plus signs, + into ﬩:

A Jewish tradition that dates from at least the 19th century is to write plus using a symbol like an inverted T. This practice was adopted into Israeli schools (this practice goes back to at least the 1940s)[11] and is still commonplace today in elementary schools (including secular schools) but in fewer secondary schools.[12] It is also used occasionally in books by religious authors, but most books for adults use the international symbol "+". The usual explanation for this practice is that it avoids the writing of a symbol "+" that looks like a Christian cross.[12] Unicode has this symbol at position U+FB29 "Hebrew letter alternative plus sign" (﬩).[13]

Jews hate Jesus so much that they started writing "BCE" instead of "BC"; and they write "CE" instead of "AD".  Both of these terms refer to the same period of time, but they changed it so that they won't refer to Jesus. There is no rational reason to change "AD" to "CE" except out of hatred for the Glory of the Lord, Jesus Christ.  

So we are left to wonder why Giuliani, who professes to hate the evil practices of the Jews, would take up their fight against Jesus. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say that G is a very confused person.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Starting at 4:05 of the following video, illuminist singer Robbie Williams engages in externalization of hierarchy (controlled opposition) and even endorses the Jesus mythers and Zeitgeist.

[youtube:1uoml823]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbMcYoPqMF4[/youtube]1uoml823]

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Nihilists being groomed for theosophy?



New age (Kabballah) logo of the Theosophists. Notice it contains both the Hindu swastika and the Jewish star of Molech.

Even Zeitgeist puppet Jordan Maxwell admits he is a follower of Blavatsky

[youtube:3fr55isn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOoGVIQ7g7M[/youtube]3fr55isn]

Part 2

[youtube:3fr55isn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fDBxgmyq7s[/youtube]3fr55isn]

[blueocean]

pas wrote:

Were the statements that I made concerning Hitler factual or dogmatic?And I do like an answer to this question because I don't like and agree with the implications you make.

The statements you made are based upon cherry picked facts that stem from when your eyes where opened to the jew propaganda about hitler, ever since I think you swung to the other extreme of idolising hitler.  My view of hitler stems from a position of being jew wise and keeping in mind the managed opposition that hitler was, for all the zionist goals were fulffiled, without hitler no state of israel etc etc.

ZionCrimeFactory is run by the creator of the "Israel did 911" article that first appeared here on TIU, he's also known as checkitb4uwreckit and MonkeySeeMonkeyDo.And if there's dis-info spread there, please, provide with debunking material because it's very imprtant information imo.Does the Swastika give you the shivers? :shock: So you agree with the Jews that's it's an evil symbol which represents the most murderous regime ever known to mankind. :lol:
If you have some evidence that that 1937 Times article contains lies, please, let us know.

I do know monkeyseemonkeydo but didn´t know he ran that site so that´s all.  I don´t like the symbol cause it instantly reminded me of the theosophy symbol, your response aboutb agreeing with the jews etc. is more for mainstream people???  you obviously never read any of my posts.  Your sentence about having evidence that the Times articles can contain lies or not is very very funny................  Its the TIMES!!!!    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  

   

No, that's not true.The article makes clear that the Rothschild family was dealt heavy blows by the Nazi's, nowhere does it state that the family ''was demolished'' and ''no longer has much power''.

Jew propaganda in the netherlands and all over the world deny the rotchilds or jewish bankers have any power whatsoever, hence my distrust of articles that propone heavy blows being dealt to such bankers......................



   

15 whole minutes! :up: I guess you're an expert now ,hey! :lol:
I do have to agree the first time I listened this debate I also had a problem with the way Yeager came across because Condit was very relaxed and polite.At the time I also sided with Condit but mainly because of my preconcieved notion that the Nazi's were evil.But after this debate I was curious about the other side and I started to further check out;Yeager, Spingola, Weber etc. and I haven't been able to refute their position.

Off course I listened to the whole thing, I was just giving a pre update about the first 15 minutes. Reagarding nazis, isn´t weird that Geert wilders PVV basically runs the same type of campaign as the NSDAP?  and that we know that he gets his funding from jews, yet people call him fascist and a nazi etc.   I think wilders is a modified repeat of pre WWII jew manipulations.



 

First off, Spingola and Yeager are Christians so you don't have to be an Atheist to accept political incorrect facts concerning Hitler.
Second, I notice you are very judgemental about me and my views while you conveniently hide your own.

I am willing to entertain all kinds of facts, and so far I think that something smells about the whole hitler thing.  (off course the mainstream jew tv view about hitler is a farce too)