Sandy Hook Connecticut state police hold a news conference in Newtown

[FrankDialogue]

I am not entirely sure what the main agenda is but I as it stands I don't think it is to ban semiautomatic weapons due to these two main reasons: 1) Americans as a whole do not pose a threat to the American government, many crimes have happened and the American people have not taken on the government. For example, most Americans are fully aware that the government screwed them to bail out the banks and most Americans know they went into the Iraq war based on a lie. Secondly, I don't see the American government being as aggressive as they could be on this issue, like I said they could have released some pictures of a few dead kids.

This event reminds me of the entire comet elenin Internet event and its link to earthquakes. In my opinion the entire elenin theory was a government exercise to observe how conspiracy theories spread and develop on the net. For example, imagine if  someone working for the government makes a youtube video which brings to light a quote from a the film Rocky 6 which predicts The Libyan war. Then it's only fair to assume that someone will watch all Rocky films to see if there are any other links to other political events. The government knows this so they will keep leaving breadcrumbs leading people to where they want. And every now and then a researcher will emerge and steer people in particular direction.

This is my theory, the government is aware that the Internet is means of communication and spreading information. They are also fully aware that alternative narratives can occur based on investigations conducted by 'Internet researchers' . Therefore, this may be an avenue they are pursuing to release information in the same format that conspiracy theories are developed on the net e.g. terror drills, special dates, a mention in a movie etc etc.

The shadow government is fully aware of the power of the Internet now.

They will and do use it, too.

They don't fully control it as of yet, but they are aware that, for instance, their '911 event' story has been demolished, largely through research and information given a platform on the web.

And the point about American citizens not using their guns to take down this government in the face of massive murder, theft and corruption is also quite correct.

What is the old saying?...'The pen is mightier than the sword'?...Well, then Internet is mightier than the gun in a sense, and alternative researchers must keep using it in the ongoing war.

Alex Jones was quite right when he described the current state of affairs as an 'info war'.

All wars have different dimensions.

[Ognir]

Emotional father of Sandy Hook victim heckled by gun nuts
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/29/emotiona ... -gun-nuts/

[Ognir]

What does "Assault Weapon" mean in American, only rifles or does it include handguns?

[Ognir]

Father of 6-Yr-Old Sandy Victim Gives Powerful Testimony The Problem Is Not Gun laws
[youtube:2o46esjv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaRGgbTPYbQ[/youtube]2o46esjv]

[Amanda]

For what it's worth, I've actually seen it suggested (maybe in a video?) that Jesse Lewis (son of Neil Heslin) is actually the boy in the red shirt in the photo the Parker kids took w/Obama. I honestly don't know about this, but thought I would mention it.  I don't know how to post images, but for those interested, if you do a google image search for "Neil Heslin" (doesn't work if you search for Jesse Lewis), and you click on the photo of the Parker kids w/Obama, it pulls it up larger w/a couple of photos of Jesse w/his father, so you can compare. It's really hard for me to tell. The hair on the boy in the red shirt is longer than Jesse's hair in photos w/his father.

[FrankDialogue]

What does "Assault Weapon" mean in American, only rifles or does it include handguns?

No one knows what it means.  ...It's like 'diversity'!

In most cases, it would be rifles that can fire on automatic or semi-automatic.

But, there are handguns that hold large clips that can also do this.

[Christopher Marlowe]

That video of Mattioli is the first parent I've seen that looks and sounds real. If Mattioli is an actor, he is very, very good.

Travis made a really good point that bears repeating:

if the government wanted to truly persuade the American public to ban semiautomatic rifles then all they would have to do is release pictures of dead kids, or video footage of the shooter killing kids. This footage would shock people and show them the true horrors of what owning a semiautomatic rifle can lead to. The government would not even need to release these pictures directly, they could be released by an unknown source on the net, the faces could also be blurred out.

If they released photos of the crime scene, that would have a very powerful impact. But they do the opposite: the government keeps everything locked down tight.

It's very strange. We get no evidence of anything. And all the evidence that is found is contradictory or patently fake.

Trying to Get the Big Picture
I've been spending time on September Clues forum: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1521
The Sandy Hook thread is very long.  

One recent post framed the Sandy Hook Hoaxing very well:

There is is something that I am having difficulty with.

    If the helicopter footage is "faked" (and I have no reason to question Simon's assessment) what is it's purpose?

    It seems to be showing evidence that the Sandy Hook affair was a large deception. There is nothing going on near the school, all the action is around the firehouse, the ambulance and emergency vehicles are blocked in . The parents activities looks more like one would expect to see if they were registering their children for the football team than if they were responding to news that there were shootings, and deaths in the school where there children were attending. I saw few if any children in the video itself and not even one of twenty sets of frantic parents frantically trying to get past the yellow tape and closer to the school to find their "missing" child.

    The question is , who would go to the trouble of faking a video that "proves" the event did not occur and (allegedly) show the video on the news? What could be the purpose behind such a move?

    Just when I thought that I was understanding that this was just another faked media "non-event", I am more confused than ever.

    regards,

    Steve O.

I have been saying this for a long time and apologize for the repetition, but I think it's becoming increasingly clear that whoever is orchestrating this hoax is doing everything possible (short of outright getting on TV and telling everyone!) to demonstrate to people that they are being deceived. Virtually EVERY aspect of this hoax is unbelievable, contradictory, photoshopped, bizarre, etc.

One might suggest that the PTB are merely having fun at our expense and/or are merely flexing their muscles because they have no opposition. But the bizarre humor of it all speaks of a much greater intelligence and artistic brilliance than they are capable of. They are pragmatists, not artists.

Simon Shack, who made September Clues has posted two "Big Picture" essays concerning the Shame Factor and the Psychological Factor:

THE 'SHAME' FACTOR

Ok folks, here we go...Shame on us all ! :lol:

If the primary underlying motive for these recurring "shooting" psyops was still a bit foggy until recently - I think it should now be much clearer - at least to all of us here at Cluesforum. The perps have been caught with their pants down faking "3000 victims" on 9/11. What we see unfolding now is their obligatory damage control in action - and we have seen how 9/11 is not OUR obsession - but rather THEIR obsession. The media goons MUST always stay 'a step ahead' of their opponents - and keep in high gear the discrediting-game of the same, year in and year out.


Just read this 'SALON' article to see where this public Sandy Hook discourse is going - and was always meant to be going :

   

Meet the Sandy Hook truthers
    Theorists think they've found "absolute proof" that Newtown was a hoax. Have they no shame?
    By Alex Seitz-Wald

    "There are dozens of websites, blog posts and YouTube videos extolling the Emilie Parker hoax theory. If you Google her name, the very first result is a post mocking her father for crying at a press conference after the shooting. One popular video, which already has 134,000 views, was made by the producers of a popular 9/11 Truther film. "Just as the movie 'Operation Terror' shows the 9/11 attacks were a made-for-TV event, so too were the mass shootings ... There can be no doubt that Sandy Hook was a staged event," the narrator intones. He goes on to say that the adults who participated in the media coverage of the shootings "should be prosecuted as accessories after the fact in a mass murder" — i.e., the parents whose children were murdered in the massacre should be thrown in prison. "
    http://www.salon.com/2013/01/09/the_wor ... heory_yet/

DISCREDIT BY ASSOCIATION

What we have here is nothing but the age-old tactics of 'discredit by association' at play. No matter how old and worn-out, the perps propaganda experts are using it once again to good effect. These shooting-psyops serve the primary purpose of counteracting the (slow yet relentlessly growing) realization that the NEWS MEDIA had a central role in pulling off 9/11 (and keep fooling the masses on a daily basis). As we now know, the TOP LIE of 9/11 is that "3000 people were KILLED that day". In fact, this crucial lie has turned out to act as a pretty efficient, emotional wall - behind which the perps hope to escape public scrutiny. "How dare you question our dead 9/11 heroes?" - is the standard reply you'll get from Joe Public today. But what about tomorrow? Is this protective wall somehow indestructible? Of course not : just like every other construction, the perps' wall needs maintenance from time to time - all the more so ever since its very foundations (the "3000 victims" lie) started crumbling under our Cluesforum findings.


STAYING ONE STEP AHEAD (or - the 9/11 hoax maintenance)

Enter the "MAD-SHOOTER" psyops, in which mostly teens and children reportedly get slaughtered like cattle (be it in Norway, Italy or the USA). So what are these psyops' purpose? Gun control? Nah. With pink whale Alex Jones behind it - I'd now say that's a pretty fat red herring. Let us try this: could the seemingly 'sloppy' manner in which these "MAD-SHOOTER" psyops are staged be entirely intentional? Could the piss-poor actors, the clumsy backstories and the many 'conspiracy baits' be all part of a 'sophisticated' script? In this scenario, the media perps would be AIMING at generating a fresh new 'amateur-army of conspiracy theorists' - whom they can then play tricks with and, ultimately, easily ridicule wholesale on their globalized TV networks. As we have seen after this latest Sandy Hoax, a mini-tsunami of keen observers (aka "conspiracy theorists" in media speech) have been flooding the internet with questions about the very phony and contrived media coverage. Well, this 'mini-tsunami' would hardly scare or worry the perps - confident of the fact that they still have the masses on their side. Basically, these shooting psyops would serve to keep the TV-addicted masses outraged by "those crackpots who even dare question the tragic victims of smalltown events...And hey, now they're claiming that NO ONE DIED ON 9/11! Pfffuueyy! "

In pure propaganda terms, these recurring "MAD-SHOOTER" psyops (peppered with blatant fakery clues) may be - in other words - just a way to lure out of their lairs the observant folks of this world, only to launch 'pre-emptive strikes' on their overall credibility within the so-called 'mainstream' population. At the end of the day, we may find solace in the fact that no one gets hurt in the staging of these shameless mass-murder simulations.

Simon Shack

(yes, you are welcome to diffuse these thoughts of mine wherever you wish)

There is a lot of sense to this. Having read countless articles and watched hours of videos on 9/11 and Sandy Hook, I have noticed there is a tendency on the part of newbie researchers to post exultant proclamations on the titles: "This is BIG!"; "Shocking Evidence Exposed!".  There seems to be the expectation that everyone on youtube will watch this video, and be converted...

And then all the perps will be led into the courtroom for a 9/11 TRIAL, and everyone will watch the video poster get interviewed on the TV: "You're a hero, 3jalebait1999!  You have saved the western world from the tyranny! You have powned all the bads guys!"

But we have been watching this shtuff go on for YEARS, and there has been no change. There is no amount of evidence exposing 9/11 that will wake people the hell up.  People generally seem to lack the cognitive skills that are needed to unwrap and decipher the phenomenon of 9/11.

My opinion is that 9/11 was completely staged. The only thing I know for sure is that the WTC complex was demolished. Everything else is fakery until proved otherwise. But it took me a long time to get to the point where I could think logically about this. There is a lot of emotional baggage concerning the "victims" that gets in the way. My belief was that 3,000 people died.  

But why did I believe that? Because that was what I was told in the first few days... along with OBL, and Al Chedar, and boxcutters on the planes...

This same pattern with Sandy Hook, but there is also a deliberate effort to get people SUSPICIOUS.  The new people questioning the evidence will commit the same errors that the newbie Truthers do: they will glom onto the disinfo, chase the fake rabbits down the wrong holes...

Here's the other BIG PICTURE essay by Simon Shack:  

THE PSYCHOLOGICAL FACTOR

Let us never forget that the term "psy-op" means 'psychological operation'. My following thoughts may sound to some like 'stating the obvious' but I feel it is important, at this stage, to remind ourselves of what precisely is at stake in this whole affair - and what exactly the media strategists/psychologists are trying to achieve with these recurring, 'minor' (as compared to 9/11) terror psyops.

To illustrate my first point, let me use my own personal experience concerning the reactions/feedback I have registered within my immediate entourage which, of course, is well aware of my longstanding media fakery research. A typical reaction I got the other day came from an Italian friend who fully supports my 9/11 research, which went a bit like this : "Simon, I can understand the reasons for faking victims for a huge operation like 9/11, but why would they do so for these local shooting events? Besides, why would you even go there? If it turns out you are wrong about these minor events, wouldn't this undermine your 9/11 research and turn you into a callous monster who now even questions the death of poor innocent kids?"

Well, yes - undoubtedly. And it could very well be part of the perps' long term strategy. Needless to say, I believe that all this is intimately related to 9/11 - and to the strong and mounting evidence exposing the 3000 digitally-fabricated victims of that day. It stands to reason that the media corporations would go to very great lenghts to try and wrestle back their dwindling credibility - and that major efforts are now deployed to patch up their formidable 9/11 blunders - which threaten to implode the entire, worldwide media establishment. So let's see, step by step, what tactics may have been 'expertly' (or shall we say, desperately) devised by the media propagandists to cover their exposed butts. I have called it...


THE "NEWS-CLEAR" BOMB STRATEGY

Step1: Stage a long string of 'terror shootings'(across the USA and abroad), gradually instilling in the public's consciousness the notion that we live in dangerous times - and that such shootings can occur anywhere and at any time these days ("so get used to it, people!").

Step2: Insert progressively a number of 'baits' in the form of absurd inconsistencies/ fluctuating death tolls/ outlandish storylines/ crass acting by alleged family members and so on and so forth. This, in order to wilfully attract a growing number of doubters of these events' media coverage - the more the better. (Since most people get their news from TV, there's no chance the doubters would reach anything near what is known as 'critical mass'...)

Step3: Once these increasingly publicized events have people (split into two belligerent factions of news-believers and news-doubters) arguing in their own homes about them, drop the NEWS-CLEAR BOMB into their TV sets! This 'bomb' can be defined as a news item so devastatingly powerful and convincing as to blow all the doubters' arguments to rest - covering the same with a dust cloud of ridicule and derision. And, most importantly, making anyone arguing that 9/11 featured fake victims sound like a complete fool.

So, let's see: what may we imagine such a NEWS-CLEAR BOMB to be made up of? Well, perhaps it could come in the form suggested by our Cluesforum member 'Farcevalue' : "A tour de force release of an impeccable surveillance camera recording/documenting the "event" could have a pretty adverse effect on all the new fakery researchers that have come out of the woodwork to challenge this story." Indeed, imagine that. What if, sometime in the future, some graphic/gory CCTV imagery "from the Sandy Hook school" gets released (complete with childrens' guts getting splattered across the classrooms) including 100 clearly audible rounds of semi-automatic gunfire and blood-chilling screams? How many people will still have doubts that the event occured in reality?

Sadly, only the few of us who know perfectly well that absolutely ANYTHING can be faked / fabricated in a studio - with "Hollywood-grade" special fx imagery.

simonshack

I don't think there will be footage released from Sandy Hook. There was a similar fear that footage of flight 77 would be released, and that would catch all the doubters with their pants down.  

It's been 11+ years and the footage of fl 77 was never released because there was no flight 77.  I don't think there will ever ever be any REAL footage of Sandy Hook released.

Simon Shack thinks there might be a News Bomb Clearing event; i.e. that some faked footage will be released of kids getting killed. From what I have seen, I can only say, "Good luck with that." I don't have much confidence in the video fakery skills of the perps.

But I think there are grains of truth in what Mr Shack says. Perhaps the perps are separating the sheep from the abused housewives.  The sheep, of course, go along and notice NOTHING. The abused housewives KNOW, but they are helpless to do anything, so they become apathetic and/or crazy.

The abused housewives catch little hints that their husband is cheating: lipstick on the shirt; another woman's perfume; missing underwear.  Finally she confronts her husband, and he gives her a backhand. SLAP.
"I'll do whatever I want. And you're gonna shut the hell up and make me a sandwich, if you know what's good for you!"

Pretty soon the husband is talking openly to his his girlfriend on the phone, looking at his wife: 'What are you going to do about it?'

And in the same way, we watch Inyourson's Pooper holding up an OWL, that was supposedly drawn by the simulated child. "I'm going to cherish this molech, er, owl, and so will Obama.  We will both CHERISH IT. Because we worship the devil, get it? I'm a faggot who has a woman kissing my wiener on national television! I'm a CIA agent and scion of a billion dollar empire. I'm openly degenerate and lying to you. What are you going to do about it? Go make me a sandwich!"  

So we become apathetic and/or crazy because we can't do anything about it. And none of the sheep will believe us. It's an demonstration of power. Like the US elections.

[Amanda]

The Sandy Hook Controversy — James Tracy on GRTV

http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/29/th ... #more-2292

[youtube:2lbvmvdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIoiYLp6R8Y[/youtube]2lbvmvdk]

[Travis]

Christopher Marlowe, the more I think about the more it seems that at least some elements of this event if not all are part of a physiological operation. Also the gun banning just may be a red hearing, or a secondary objective at best.

With regards to what you said:

But we have been watching this shtuff go on for YEARS, and there has been no change. There is no amount of evidence exposing 9/11 that will wake people the hell up. People generally seem to lack the cognitive skills that are needed to unwrap and decipher the phenomenon of 9/11.

We have to accept that many people don't want to wake up, they are happy with the status quo no matter how fake it is.

My opinion is that 9/11 was completely staged. The only thing I know for sure is that the WTC complex was demolished. Everything else is fakery until proved otherwise. But it took me a long time to get to the point where I could think logically about this. There is a lot of emotional baggage concerning the "victims" that gets in the way. My belief was that 3,000 people died. But why did I believe that? Because that was what I was told in the first few days... along with OBL, and Al Chedar, and boxcutters on the planes...

This is key, once we have established a particular source (JMSM) is unreliable that means we have to doubt everything that emerges from that source which cannot be independently proven. It's truly that simple.

[FrankDialogue]

Emotional father of Sandy Hook victim heckled by gun nuts
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/29/emotiona ... -gun-nuts/

Hey, Mr. Ognir...Unfortunately the video won't load, but I have a bad PC, need to install a couple memory boards.

In any case, this thread on Sandy Hook still the best on the web, as it was from the beginning...All the right questions being asked...I notice this Professor Tracy getting a lot of play, as well as Veterans Today and Global Research getting in on the act.

Anyway, go have a couple of pints, wherever you are over there, and don't forget the whiskey...The best we get here is Old Bushmills and Tullamore Dew.

Lots of Irish-Americans in my 'hood.  

Sorry that I am not up on Irish footie at the moment, but I am a big Liverpool FC fan...That's the next best thing, right?  :lol:

[LordLindsey]

I just left a comment at Dr. Tracy's site regarding his interview, and I could not have said this any better, but I did not want to use too many "scary words" for those who are not aware of the jewish control of the anti-gun agenda; however, I am still satisfied that I got my main points across to those people.

"It is all coming together what the ramifications are of gun-control upon the civilian population: http://www.grizzom.blogspot.com/2013/01 ... ctice.html

It is critically important for people to understand that the only reason that 66 MILLION RUSSIAN CHRISTIANS WERE MURDERED when the zionist Bolsheviks took-over Czarist-Russia is because they were DIS-ARMED AND DEFENSELESS, and the same damned thing is happening to America what happened already to Great Britain via "The Dunblane Massacre," and to Australia via "The Port Arthur Attack." The same groups who forced gun-control upon THEIR citizens are the same groups doing this to US, now.

I will say this again: AN UN-ARMED POPULATION IS A DEFENSELESS POPULATION FOR THE PREDATOR-CLASS, AND THE END-RESULT IS ALWAYS AND INEVITABLY THE SAME FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. Folks, you better do what you can to make people aware of this fact because these creatures are using this whole Sandy Hook mind-game to make THIS our "Dunblane Massacre" or "Port Arthur" to take-away our right to defend ourselves, and the above videos are SHOWING YOU WHAT OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURES ARE.

Lindsey"

We need to start making it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR who is behind the push for gun-control, HOW THEY HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST, and most importantly, WHY THEY MUST HAVE THE GUNS TAKEN-AWAY FROM THE CITIZENS.  Never has it been more clear that we Americans are in very real danger of having had what happened to Czarist-Russia happen to us, and I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO CAN TO START CALLING YOUR LOCAL RADIO-STATIONS AND TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE "IRISH" WHO TOOK-OVER AND MURDERED THOSE 66 MILLION RUSSIAN CHRISTIANS AFTER THEIR DIS-ARMAMENT AND TAKE-OVER OF CZARIST-RUSSIA.  People UNDERSTAND that because that is a series of events in history that can NEVER be covered-up, and the same God damned demons walking-on-two-legs who were responsible for THAT, are responsible for the tumult-and-chaos that we see across our planet today.  For fuck's sake, Elene Kagan is a relative of the pyschotic murderer of Russian Christians, KAGANOVICH!!!!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.  This is what these creatures have planned for America, and the masses had better realize that this is a reality YESTERDAY, and not just wait around telling themselves that "it can never happen here in the good ol' United States of America."  It is all coming together what the ramifications are of gun-control upon the civilian population:

http://www.grizzom.blogspot.com/2013/01 ... ctice.html

Lindsey

[Christopher Marlowe]

I am not just finding stuff over at Sept Clues forum and then reposting them over here!  Okay, I admit it.  I am.  But check this out....  
I think CSR will at least appreciate the music:
[youtube:2kvw24vx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prdo6qrRJRA[/youtube]2kvw24vx]
The youtube button isn't working: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prdo6qrRJRA#!

This is also interesting. Was Sandy Hook Abandoned?
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2380825
Do a search for Sandy Hook elementary school in Bing: 12 Dickenson Dr, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
http://mvexel.dev.openstreetmap.org/bing/#

That parking lot is empty and the school looks like a ghost town.
But check out:
 St Rose of Lima School: 40 Church Hill Rd, Newtown, Connecticut 06470
Middle Gate Elementary School: 7 Cold Spring Rd, Newtown, CT 06470
Hawley Elementary School: 29 Church Hill Rd, Newtown, CT 06470

There are many schools in that are with cars in the parking lots...

[Amanda]

Sherrie (of http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/) has also been pursuing the question of whether Sandy Hook was an operating school.  She just posted a video on this today:

Sandy Hook was not an operating school? Comparison of schools on Bing map
[youtube:2zfr9ymk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWhhd8ixYU[/youtube]2zfr9ymk]

[FrankDialogue]

Sherrie (of http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/) has also been pursuing the question of whether Sandy Hook was an operating school.  She just posted a video on this today:

Sandy Hook was not an operating school? Comparison of schools on Bing map
[youtube:2bhgiq7i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWhhd8ixYU[/youtube]2bhgiq7i]

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see anything clearly from her video presentation: I couldn't see the cars or the school bus in the St. Rose of Lima parking lot.

But, whether Sandy Hook Elementary was an operating school is an open question from my POV.

And the fact that, according to the official story, they shut down Sandy Hook, and then went and moved the kids to another school, and went to the trouble of making the new school look exactly like Sandy Hook, raises some red flags for me.

Even more than this, the records of the properties on Yogananda Street having all the same sale dates, and the fact that all these houses were supposedly sold, raises even more questions.

What's the saying: 'There's more to the picture than meets the eye'?

[Amanda]

FrankDialogue-

Try this link posted by Christopher Marlowe:

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2380825

It shows Sandy Hook, St. Rosa Lima, and other schools. It also uses satellite images from bing, but the photos are much bigger, so its easier to see the cars and school buses in the parking lots.

[Ognir]

Sandy Hook children to pay tribute to classmates by singing at the Super Bowl
http://www.thejournal.ie/sandy-hook-chi ... itter_self

[Travis]

Sandy Hook children to pay tribute to classmates by singing at the Super Bowl
http://www.thejournal.ie/sandy-hook-chi ... itter_self

[Amanda]

Children Ran Past the Firehouse with people in it to go to Gene Rosen's house? Really? Video

http://sandyhookresearch.blogspot.com/2 ... eople.html

I show Gene Rosen's house compared to the school and the Firehouse. It does not make sense that children ran past a Firehouse with people in it to Rosen's house.

Gene Rosen House to School Kids ran past Firehouse to get there?

[youtube:39eq1fti]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9dy8r9ZFLc[/youtube]39eq1fti]

[Amanda]

AC 360′s 180

http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/31/ac ... #more-2311

Between January 9 and January 16 CNN repeatedly contacted James Tracy to appear with Anderson Cooper on the news presenter's AC 360 program to discuss the controversy surrounding Tracy's writings on the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. On January 11 CNN sent its Miami-based reporter John Zarrella to Tracy's place of employment and residence, where Zarrella repeatedly telephoned Tracy and then, in an unannounced maneuver, proceeded to film outside of Tracy's residence. On successive nights Cooper explained to his audience the "open invitation" he was extending to Tracy, providing the impression that Tracy was refusing to come on the program to defend his views.

Yet as the email exchange below indicates, Tracy told CNN staff that he was willing to appear but had professional commitments on certain days. Finally, when Tracy specified a date and time when he was available to appear live (not taped) with Cooper, CNN responded with silence. The so-called "open invitation" was apparently revoked.

read entire email exchange w/CNN here:  http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/31/ac ... #more-2311

[FrankDialogue]

It shows Sandy Hook, St. Rosa Lima, and other schools. It also uses satellite images from bing, but the photos are much bigger, so its easier to see the cars and school buses in the parking lots.

OK, I can see the cars clearly here.

[Christopher Marlowe]

Did the Lanzas have 2 sons or one?

We have seen current checks on Adam Lanza that turn up NOTHING. (Supposedly, Adam Lanza destroyed his hard drive, and so the FBI was not able to read any of the data. I guess Adam did such a thorough job that the hard drive reached out through the internet and sucked up all that information also.)  Checks for Nancy Lanza turn up Peter and Ryan. Checks for Peter turn up Nancy and Ryan. Checks for Ryan turn up Peter and Nancy. It is always that single son.

But when we look at "The Vital Records of Kingston, New Hampshire, 1694-1994", we find only Adam and no Ryan. Check it out: http://books.google.com.pa/books?id=7VQ ... za&f=false

This book was published in 1995, and reprinted in 2002. On page 167, it has the marriage of Peter J Lanza (Amesbury, MA) to Nancy J Champion (Kingston [NH]) on 6 June, 1981.

On page 109, the Vital Records tells us that Adam Peter was born on the 22 of April, 1992. The Book does not list any other offspring for Peter and Nancy.

If Ryan changed his name from Adam, it would still not explain how he aged another 3 years.

[FrankDialogue]

Did the Lanzas have 2 sons or one?

We have seen current checks on Adam Lanza that turn up NOTHING. (Supposedly, Adam Lanza destroyed his hard drive, and so the FBI was not able to read any of the data. I guess Adam did such a thorough job that the hard drive reached out through the internet and sucked up all that information also.)  Checks for Nancy Lanza turn up Peter and Ryan. Checks for Peter turn up Nancy and Ryan. Checks for Ryan turn up Peter and Nancy. It is always that single son.

But when we look at "The Vital Records of Kingston, New Hampshire, 1694-1994", we find only Adam and no Ryan. Check it out: http://books.google.com.pa/books?id=7VQ ... za&f=false

This book was published in 1995, and reprinted in 2002. On page 167, it has the marriage of Peter J Lanza (Amesbury, MA) to Nancy J Champion (Kingston [NH]) on 6 June, 1981.

On page 109, the Vital Records tells us that Adam Peter was born on the 22 of April, 1992. The Book does not list any other offspring for Peter and Nancy.

If Ryan changed his name from Adam, it would still not explain how he aged another 3 years.

Yes, we don't know the answer to the question about a single son or who was who.

It appears that Ryan Lanza has not made any public statements after the event, and that his Facebook page was phony.

My feeling about this confusion was that they couldn't decide who was going to be assigned blame after the event, so, you got 'he done it' and then 'no, he done it'.

If any of our 'conspiracy theories' about this are right, this was an event involving quite a few people, and nobody could get the story straight at first.

So, they improvised.

[Amanda]

Christopher Marlowe wrote:
We have seen current checks on Adam Lanza that turn up NOTHING. (Supposedly, Adam Lanza destroyed his hard drive, and so the FBI was not able to read any of the data. I guess Adam did such a thorough job that the hard drive reached out through the internet and sucked up all that information also.) Checks for Nancy Lanza turn up Peter and Ryan. Checks for Peter turn up Nancy and Ryan. Checks for Ryan turn up Peter and Nancy. It is always that single son.

Okay, all this stuff about whether Adam Lanza existed has been bothering me ever since we started hearing about it.  And, yeah, that stuff about there being no internet trace of Adam b/c he destroyed his hard drive didn't make sense to me either. I'm certainly not an expert on computers or the internet, but I thought that our IP address and where we went on the internet was somehow being tracked.  Doesn't the NSA have super computers for doing that??  Also, speaking of the tracking powers of the US govt., what about those satellites? Don't we have any that could provide information about what was going on at Sandy Hook Elementary on Dec 14th? I thought we had satellites up there that were so powerful that they could read the time off of your watch (but maybe I'm wrong?)

Anyway, back to whether Adam existed, the divorce records (public documents?) seem to suggest that he did.  But in the write-up from Huffington Post on the divorce records, there's no mention of Ryan. Perhaps this is b/c Ryan was 21-years-old at the time and was no longer dependent on his parents.  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 16461.html

When Lanza's parents divorced in 2009, the settlement left his mother with a comfortable income and the comfort of knowing that the then-17-year-old boy would have his education paid for and his medical insurance covered.

If there was bitterness and anger between Nancy and Peter Lanza, it is not described in court papers. And there was no mention of any lingering mental health or medical issues for Adam Lanza, nothing that could even hint at the horror he would unleash three years later.

In working through the terms of their divorce, the couple spent considerable time talking about how to provide for Adam Lanza's well-being, said Paula Levy, a mediator who worked with the couple.

During their meetings, the couple mentioned that Adam Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, an autism-like disorder, Levy said. But the Lanzas were in complete agreement on how to address Adam's needs and said little about the details of his condition, Levy said.

"The only two things I remember them saying is that she really didn't like to leave him alone and I know they went out of their way to accommodate him," said Levy, who recalled Nancy and Peter Lanza as very respectful of each other and equally concerned about their son's needs.

"They worked together about it," Levy said. "The mom, Nancy, pretty much said she was going to take care of him (Adam) and be there as much as he needed her, even long-term."
While she would not disclose details of their discussions, Levy wanted to make clear that the Lanzas were loving parents who wanted the best for their son.

"These people are soft-spoken, gentle, both of them saying, `What can we do to help him?'" Levy said.

I'm also wondering whether there is a lack of an electronic footprint on Adam Lanza b/c he was still dependent on his parents (lived at home, no job that we know of) and perhaps his bills (computer, cell phone, etc) were in his parents name.


Also, I found some interesting comments about Adam at the link below. But, given how unreliable our media is, it seems like all of this info would need to be verified by an independent researcher.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... iller.html

The comment below seems to suggest that a current neighbor knew of Adam and that he perhaps wasn't as much of a loner as we have been told (sounds like he hung out w/the "smart crowd")

Neighbor Justin Germak, 17, said he knew Lanza 'had a condition'. 'You definitely noticed it. He was needy. He struggled to be social.'
'Everyone just assumed he was a smart kid and that's why he didn't like talking to people all the time,' Peter Lalli, 20, who graduated with Lanza in 2010, told the New York Daily News. 'He hung out with the smart crowd.'

Seems like it would also be helpful if some independent researcher/journalist could get in touch w/Adam's aunt and uncle--perhaps they could confirm that there were indeed two sons.

Lanza's aunt, Marsha Lanza, said her nephew was raised by kind, nurturing parents who would not have hesitated to seek mental help for him if he needed it.
The Crystal Lake, Illinois resident told the Associated Press she was close with Adam Lanza's mother and sent her a Facebook message Friday morning asking how she was doing. Nancy Lanza never responded.

Marsha Lanza described Nancy Lanza as a good mother and kind-hearted. If her son had needed counseling, 'Nancy wasn't one to deny reality,' she said.

Marsha Lanza said her husband saw Adam as recently as June and recalled nothing out of the ordinary about him.

I thought the comment below was quite interesting and surprising b/c it actually suggests that Adam had a girlfriend.  Granted it says "Lanza," so it could be interpreted as Ryan or Adam, except that this is a neighbor and we are told that Ryan hasn't been living there for two years, so it seems reasonable to assume that this neighbor was talking about Adam.

Pia Conte, 47, who lives in the neighborhood and has two sons in their 20s, said Lanza and his girlfriend kept to themselves.

The comment below also suggests he at least had some limited socializing w/other kids in the technology club:

Several local news clippings from recent years mention Adam Lanza's name among Newtown High School's honor roll students.

He belonged to a technology club at Newtown High School that held 'LAN parties' - short for local area network - in which students would gather at a member's home, hook up their computers into a small network and play games.

Gloria Milas, whose son Joshua was in the club with Lanza, hosted one of the parties once

Below are two neighbors who seem to disagree as to whether Adam and Nancy existed and lived in the neighborhood.

Adam Lanza's Neighbour: "He Was a Bright Kid".wmv
[youtube:230jkcah]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD7ZUEyMCxY[/youtube]230jkcah]

He was a very bright kid, never in any trouble, never got into any mayhem around here...Nancy was a very lovely lady, nothing to indicate that anything was going on behind the scenes that would result in this unthinkable mess...

comment:

gillio4 1 week ago - where has this guys testimony been this entire time. this doesn't follow the narrative ive been seeing on tv.

But the video below has been seen a lot:

Nobody On The Block Knows Them, Which Is Odd For This Neighborhood: Neighbor On The Lanzas
[youtube:230jkcah]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2EO7jRYycI[/youtube]230jkcah]

Published on Dec 29, 2012
According to one of the people in the Lanzas supposed neighborhood, nobody knows them.

[Amanda]

Okay, it looks like Dr. K of nodisinfo.com seems to think that Sandy Hook was a zionist operation, which I don't necessarily agree with (I just see this as a jewish agenda, jewish media control), but he does seem to have some interesting info on what he takes to be photoshopped images of many of the children involved w/Sandy Hook.  

He has an article on the Barden family (father is a stage performer) here:   http://nodisinfo.com/Home/2013/01/25/sa ... s-a-fraud/

Surely, such papers wouldn't purposely manipulate the people, that is by producing fabricated photos. Yet, this is precisely what the DailyMail and by proxy ABC, which placed its copyright on the pictures,achieved:
 
How is Barden going to explain this? Look at this closely. What child could have two hands of such diverse size? Everyone knows this is impossible. The left hand looks like the hand of a full-grown person. In fact, in proportion to the rest of the photo it is grotesque. Moreover, see the distorted nature of the arm as it wraps around: an anatomic impossibility. His head: for a child many years younger than the others, it's mighty big. Regardless, the whole photo is a corruption. These three children have been artificially shopped into the background. Then, people are supposed to believe that Barden lost a son? He is a liar.

The head also massive, larger than the older children flanking him. Nothing was done to change it, just direct screenshots from the DailyMail-sourced photo above. The photo-shopper used the wrong-sized hand when he made his creation. Barden faked his son's death. Is he soliciting or has he received donations for this? That would amount to a federal crime./

The Bardens are also the family w/the 10-year-old daughter who supposedly wrote a letter to Obama, saying that only the police and military should have guns. Barden adds in his interview w/Katie Couric that his daughter came up w/this idea all by herself.

Sandy Hook Shooting Victim Daniel Barden's Brother And Sister Request To President Obama
[youtube:bpz6em2g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD4FxDgwoNo[/youtube]bpz6em2g]


Dr K has more info on photoshopped images here:  http://nodisinfo.com/Home/2013/01/28/th ... andy-hook/

And here's some info on the Wheelers (father is professional actor, family moved to Sandy Hook 6 months ago):

The Fake Faces of Sandy Hook: Actor and Actress David and Francine Wheeler
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/2013/01/20/tw ... k-parents/

Dr. K notes that the photo of their son at his funeral was a photoshopped image (they added a lighthouse in the background, perhaps to make it seem more Connecticut like?)

[Amanda]

More info on photoshopped images here:  http://www.aboutthesky.com/the-rabbit-hole

This site also seems to suggest that alleged victim Jesse Lewis (son of Neil Heslin) may actually be the boy in the red shirt in the photo with the Parker kids and Obama

[Amanda]

Okay, there's some interesting info on Dr. Carver in the article below, though  I'm not buying into the info from the caller to the Power Hour radio show .  It was helpful to see an official photo of Dr. Carver--it looks like the guy at the Sandy Hook press conference really was Dr. Carver and not a stand in.  And all of the information in the article about the cases he was involved in (e.g. wood-chipper case) and his  attempts to resign back in 2011 are consistent w/the info Professor Tracy has reported on Carver.

THE MOTIVE at Newtown
http://thegovernmentrag.wordpress.com/2 ... t-newtown/

Also, I thought this was kind of interesting:

Remember, just a few days after the alleged shooting, an employee, Jean Henry, was recently placed on leave for showing her husband, who did not have authorization, the body of Adam Lanza. Henry was a processing technician at the Farmington facility. Carver placed her on leave and an internal complaint was filed.

[Amanda]

Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theories Debunked? No.

http://mileswmathis.com/sh3.pdf

[FrankDialogue]

As far as 'Jewish' in this case, perhaps the 'elders' reason this way: 'Hmmm...Give them their own 'holocaust' on a smaller scale, and let them ask their God: Why?'...It will help us bring our 'god' unto the throne.'

Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theories Debunked? No.

http://mileswmathis.com/sh3.pdf

Good questions by this man...We must remember, if this is a hoax, there will be multiple layers, with different peeps involved.

For investigators of this case, I say 'Follow your heart and mind'.

[memory hole]

DIsinfo getting released on Gene Rosen working for FEMA;

DISCLAIMER: This information is a hoax posted by disinfo agents. Now many of you know Eugene Rosen's story doesn't make sense. If this info is true; it will confirmed a False Flag attack on our Second Amendment rights. Even the medical examiner said it was a HOAX! Now If that wasn't enough, READ THIS: SSDI Says Adam Lanza Died a Day Before Sandy Hook Massacre? Or any of the articles on our website; ill add a few more at the end of the article. Now on to the information about Gene Rosen:

If you go to wikipedia and click edit summary on this wiki page you will find it says:

Harlinger, TX, August 19, 2008 — FEMA Eugene Rosen representatives participate in the 25th National Law Enforcement celebration in Harlinger, Texas. FEMA is working with local and state agencies to bring services to residents affected by Hurricane Dolly. Photo by Patsy Lynch/FEMA

http://usahitman.com/erdnwff/

[Ognir]